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Post by Darth_Comrade on Feb 5, 2008 14:00:57 GMT -5
Okay, so I heard there were complaints going out concerning the admin of the fightforkp.com website. Now, I know alot of you weren't happy about the alliance that started on later last year and especially when the quarrels began and we decided to scrap the alliance and instead create a new Fight For Three, but that's all passed now, and let me reassure you the Fight For Three isn't causing any admin issues. Some of you aren't very happy with one particular admin, and I know she can be annoying, so I don't need anyone to open the subject about her with me. Instead, I'm going to emphasise on a lot of the good the Fightforkp.com administration has brought about, that way everyone can push aside their petty complaints and remember why we're here in the first place! First off, lets go for the obvious, back in the old Save KP fight media exposure was a dream. A lot of us used to jump with joy at the slightest mention of Kim Possible on the net. But thanks to one particular member, Elvisjj, who has shown far more dedication than most, if not all, of the FFF membership, KP's fight is now public. Second off, I don't know if a lot of you are aware of how far the Fight For Five has jumped in less than a year, since most of you joined in its later stages, but it has jumped far. Remember, we were only a thread on this forum until Phil came in. Many of you don't realize how much hard work Phil, aka morefood2001, has put in to get us a fully functional website that provides us with all the services we could ever need. But a lot of you prefer to whine and complain to him about his admin skills, like he's here to serve you or something, for goodness sake, just say thank you for what we have! Third off, for those of you who preferred to Fight For KP Boxsets and decided to inject your negative input to the Fight For Five, and still did even after the boxsets were announced, just tell me, what did you do to get those boxsets, huh? How do you know for sure that the boxsets weren't released due to our campaigning? I look at that thread Comrade_Chin started, a dedicated FFF member by the way, and I see not one contribution...not one coming from an anti/ex/non-FFF member. All came from us. Elvisjj provided us with a means to contact SuperRTL, he did his homework, and informed us that G.ermany was the key to getting a fifth season, or atleast DVD boxsets...and well, what do you know? Boxsets will be in G.ermany before the summer! So please, people...quit complaining! I appreciate a lot of the help some of you have offered but if you were contributing half as much as Elvisjj or Phil are then I might take your suggestions into consideration, but seeing as the problems and issues you're highlighting and insisting we deal with are so petty and insignificant I see no reason why we should. Yes, Anna has proven to be a right pain in the backside- but she's here to say! Yes, the Fight For Three is pointless- but that's your opinion! Yes, Season 5 might suck and seems pointless- but it might not, and seems not! Yes, The Fight For Five is highly unlikely to win- but guess what? We are winning! I heard it all over and over and over...and there, that's what I have to say. I'm NOT gonna put up with it anymore. What do you want me to do? Quit? Give up? Drop it all after we got so far? NOT GONNA HAPPEN! I'm sticking with this fight, if you wanna help you're more than welcome, if you don't- Fine, go find something else to do with your free time. Trying to win over a company that's grown so large and vast that it's become immune to the voices of its own consumers is a difficult, and somewhat daunting task. And I can't say a lot of you are making it any easier by insisting that we should try to please you at the same time. If there's something you don't like about the way we're doing things, then I'm sorry to say, that's how we do it and that's how it's gonna stay. Go ahead, contribute what you want, offer us an alternative, but just sitting there and telling us, "Oh, I dont like that." or "Hey, this is a bad idea"- isn't gonna change our minds. Yes, it's tough, it sucks, but its true. Now let me reassure you, we are on the right track, we are making great progress, maybe not as quickly or as rapidly as we did before, but every little bit we are doing is having an immense impact. Elvisjj has told us there's a lot of positive media coming our way, he was never wrong before and I'm excited to see what he brings. Phil has just finished off making a fantastic music video which took him months to make. ronstoppable.proboards89.com/index.cgi?board=videos&action=display&thread=1202173011&page=1So please people, don't be an obstacle in our way. Try to help us and support us and give us the motivation we need to win back our favourite show.
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Post by lordvictorino on Feb 5, 2008 17:48:13 GMT -5
Hi All,
morefood2001 is not the inoccent victum in this. He and Mike have plotted against elvissjj and Anna, while saying that they are compromising. IMO, Anna has become the Scape Goat in all this. But everyone is to blame, and not just her.
The Sites are morefood2001's and his alone. And he can do with them whatever he chooses and to whomever he wants to run them. I agree with him on that.
All I ever wanted is to have a place where people like myself can socialize with other fans of shows I love, like Kim Possible and American Dragon Jake Long. And I joined the fight to get Kim Possible and American Dragon Jake Long back on the air, hoping that I could make a difference.
But instead of that, all I see are Administator's leading the FFF and the FFT plotting against each other, and I am told to keep everything quiet. Well, I'm Sick of Keeping Everything Quiet!
Because of this, I am sorry to say that I Trust No One, now. Not Anna, Not elvisjj, Not morefood2001, Nor Mike. They have lied to me one time or another and have plotted against each other for Control and Power over the Alliance. And it will be a long time before I can ever trust them again. Trust is earned and not given.
But I'm not willing to give up the fight, either. A Good Friend said to me that even the Titanic had sourvivors. And, I want to be one of them. I still support the FFKP and the FFADJL. But the leaders that are leading this fight, now, need to prove to me that they are willing to lead and not fight each other and lie. This is all that I ask.
Even with all that I have said above. I must say that Anna, elvissjj, morefood2001, and Mike have done more than I could ever be able to do. Each has a Special Gift. And I thank them each for all the Good that they have done for the fight(s). All have made mistakes, and are now paying for them in one way or another. But in time, even I am willing to forgive and forget.
Please and Thank You,
Tony M. Victorino
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Post by jamesburningstorm on Feb 5, 2008 18:04:25 GMT -5
you said it darth, bottom line is everyone that we all like kim possible, the ones who arent in on the fff, for whatever reasons, fare enough, but please respect the other fans choice to fff; the ones that do i deeply respect you.
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Post by Luke Danger on Feb 5, 2008 18:26:26 GMT -5
Holy crud, I really missed alot...
I'm used to dealing with plotting, heck, I'm preety good at making people think something else, but I never do it to this scale! This plotting between allies, I mean, it happens, any politician will tell you that there always are plotters who would sooner use you then say a kind word, but, still, we should not be divided by our choice of FFF or not, personally, I am not a very active member, but I do try to offer insight or such to help out, or try to see a middle ground where we all are happy enough, but this is beyond wrongsick people!
Hate to say it, but if we get divided over FFF, it'll just be like the old (and some still happening) shipper problems. (flaming etc.)
So, if you got a problem with the FFF, just keep your public yap shut and use PM's with those who hold your oppinions, but don't try to sabotodge them in any way... I mean it, I'm likely the closet to nuteral we get, I think KP has run it's course, but I also beleive it needs more justice, and something bigger then fanfics and fanart to cement KP's legacy.
Come on, we need to trust eachother. I don't mean with our lives, but at the very least, let's not be trying to backstab eachother and overrun eachother with our ideas.
Remember, this board follows American Law, which includes Right to Free Speech, so if you have a problem, please, state it in a respectible manner, you cannot be punished here for holding a point of veiw. That's OK to have a oppinion, but, trying to run people over and force them to look the same way or try to make people stop the FFF? Please, they have a right to do this, so at the very least, when you complain, try to do so in a respectible manner, I mean, I know it's impossible for all of us to do so, but, hey, at least trying can make a difference.
So, weather your a K/R shipper, a KiGo shipper, a supporter of FFF, and anti-FFF person, whatever, let's just try to be a good community, (warning: metaphors ahead, when I say 'colors', I'm refering to different groups, nationalities, etc. withen the KP fanbase, not if your skin tone is light or dark) I'd prefer a diverse community with few squabbles then a same-colored one. We should have a community with every color, no matter how small or few, with few squabbles, but respect to eachother. Granted, we all lose our heads, but personally, Earth has seen enough squabbles over little things (in comparison to other events in the world), someday, this board will be crunched, erased, and gone if we keep splitting ourselves.
REMEMBER: IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE FFF, IGNORE THE POSTS REGARDING IT, THAT IS PART OF THE REASON THE BOARD IS SPLIT INTO SECTIONS, SO WE CAN AVOID GENERAL AREAS WE DON'T LIKE, AND THREADS BECAUSE IT KEEPS EVERYTHING ORGANIZED AND ALLOWS US TO AVOID WHAT WE DON'T LIKE IF WE SO CHOOSE! IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE FFF, JUST IGNORE IT AND GO ABOUT YOUR BISSINUNES! (Man I gotta get that word down...) DON'T COMPLAIN LIKE 'It's stupid' OR 'Why do you even bother trying to save that show? You're wasting your life on it'.
Please, let's try to avoid gutting eachother over things like this, as hamesburningstorm said, we're all here 'cause were KP fans, so let's try to be civil, and remember we have a common intrest here.
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Post by name on Feb 5, 2008 19:37:47 GMT -5
Hey darth, speaking of a pain in the ass, next time you got something to say about me, say it to my face.
I regret ever helping kp OR adjl. how's that for you lot?
think i care if you hate me? think again.
and IMO, id pm anyone who wants to know what i think of that abomination, mike.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2008 20:12:23 GMT -5
Wow... look at what the movement has become. Who would've thought trying to save a show we feel passionately about would turn into a power struggle?
This is disappointing.
I don't know the details of who's been in what scandal or whatever, and to be honest, I really don't care. It's irrelevent. The people involved know what they had done and should be ashamed of themselves for their childishness. The whole point of the campaign was/is to bring fans together on specified dates so they could speak in one loud voice against Disney's policies. The fight cannot be won if fought by just a select few, but can be by many.
This hostility is a prime reason why I dont interact much with the rest of the members involved with the fight, even though I've been participating in the SaveKP days for nearly three years and will continue to do so.
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Post by Darth_Comrade on Feb 5, 2008 20:25:20 GMT -5
Hey darth, speaking of a pain in the ass, next time you got something to say about me, say it to my face. I regret ever helping kp OR adjl. how's that for you lot? think i care if you hate me? think again. and IMO, id pm anyone who wants to know what i think of that abomination, mike. Sorry to say, Anna- but I've said everything I needed to say to your face. Not that it's done any good. I'm just voicing my opinion to everyone here. Losing Phil was one of the biggest disasters for the Fight For Five, and one of his main reasons for resigning surround you, so I can't really agree with the suggestion that you are 'helping kp or adjl'. Keep in mind, there are a lot of complaints coming out about you, not Mike.
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Post by danman007 on Feb 5, 2008 20:55:20 GMT -5
WOW.....ahhh..can't help but say I knew something like this was going to happen(maybe not to this effect) especially with conflicting parties.
I decided to join in on this fan movement because I think KP can continue and that it still has some untap potential. I saw how passionate this fanbase was and I felt yeah, the possibility to save this show is not out of reach. I haven't been posting in the Fight For Five section much due to me being busy but I have still pull my weight in this campaign. This little pyscho-drama really has turn me off a bit, I have already said my opinion about the alliance/branches but I will let those parties resolve it on their own. I will continue to fight for KP though I am missing that passion that this campaign once had. Sorry to hear about losing a contributing factor in the FFF but EVERYONE who is still passionate for KP or for ADJL should do their part in their own cause.
COME ON, lets bring some of that passion back to this campaign!
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Post by elvisjj on Feb 5, 2008 21:53:40 GMT -5
Alright what darth said sums it all up folks. Phil is a loss to both the Fight For Five and Fight For Three, but in the end Phil has to do, what Phil feels is right for himself. And I respect that.
Good luck Phil, I hope sometime you'll decide to come back to the fight for five, cause you will be missed and all your hard work will not go unaccounted for. You were an asset to this fight.
I will try to live up to what darth said, as I said before. Darth is a great leader, a true friend, and almost like the brother I never had. Listen to him folks, what he preaches is so true.
Look what we've become, we've become what we never wanted to be....a corporation. Though I feel this was blown out of preportion, never the less it happened and now we must move on, and re-ignite that fire we all started with.
danman I so back you on this one, let's bring back the passion to the Fight For Five once more.
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Post by The Legend that is KPCrusader on Feb 5, 2008 23:04:36 GMT -5
OMG people!
I may not know exactly what the hell is going on here but we cannot afford to be fighting amongst ourselves. From what I've gathered people have been complaining about how things are done. If you got a problem then step up and do something instead of sitting back and b!tching and moaning about it because that aint going to help.
As for the shots at Darth, Elvisjj and Phil. I dont think that anyone here is fit to open their mouth about them. I have always said from the first week I joined and got to know Julius that I would blindly follow him into battle and the same goes for Darth. When you guys have given your hearts and souls and done as much as these guys then, maybe then, will you have a place to talk. I remember when Media Exposure was first mentioned, I have that post saved because I knew it was going to be something special, it started slow and I've watched how its has grown from infancy, from brainstorming, into our most powerful weapon. Julius and the others are responsible for that.
It seems to me that people have forgotten why we are here. Getting caught up in power struggles and scheming against your brothers, arguing about this and that. It sickens me that people I once called brother, sister, friend have taken to fight against each other instead of fighting for what brought us together. We need to put aside our differences, our disagreements and come together. I'm reminded of something said in one of my fav movies, Remember the Titans.
"If we dont come together now and put aside our differences and hate, we too will be destroyed."
We may not agree with each other, we may not like each other but we will respect each other. You cannot fight along side someone you dont respect. We cannot succeed unless we fight together.
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Post by elvisjj on Feb 6, 2008 2:07:51 GMT -5
Very well put kpcrusader. Our fight gang is not with each other, our bickering won't win us season five. I know we've had a rough road, but there is a light at the end of the tunnel and we're getting to it.
Things are going to happen, KP days are coming up and as long as we stop blaming each other, stop arguing with each other and focus back onto who we are...The Fight For Five to win back what we so want, Kim Possible...that my friends is what we're about.
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Post by Comrade_Chin on Feb 6, 2008 4:31:36 GMT -5
What Power Struggle? What The Blimey Is Going On Here? Phil Left? This I Have To Handle If you have any complaints you should take it to me not Phil Im responsible for Phil's action and doing anyone questioning him we'll have to answer to me Phil made my dream of having a website and such a reality Im one of the reason why you naysayers or whoever want to bad mouth about us in the first place Pathethic.......I have been through the dark times and this to me is nothing Members of the FFF dont bother,we've been through worse.Theres nothing they can do to make us stop
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Post by manofevil on Feb 6, 2008 11:58:52 GMT -5
So, um, what exactly did you guys fight OVER?
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Post by Fusion Fox on Feb 6, 2008 12:02:37 GMT -5
I wish somebody would just explain OPENLY what happened. I mean I picked up some of it from being in the rs.net chat room but most people here don't know what goes on in the background and I don't feel its my place to spread info about this subject. This is going to cause a lot of confusion, and already has, unless somebody explains it neutrally.
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Post by Comrade_Chin on Feb 6, 2008 12:14:14 GMT -5
Let The "Management" Handle It We move on and let things settle down. Thats the best we can do
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Post by ArtFan88 on Feb 6, 2008 12:21:02 GMT -5
I agree that a lot has been blown way out of proportion here.
But I have to say, I think everyone is scrambling around to much and jumping to all kinds of conclusions way to quickly. Yes there has been chaos, but maybe right now the best thing everyone can do is chill out, calm down, and take a good hard look at everything that’s happened as well as take a good look at ourselves.
Try to step back and see where you really stand and how you’ve carried yourself in relation to other fighters and the fight itself. This applies to my own self as well, for I’d be a hypocrite if I was to say that there’s not a lot of stuff I’ve been involved in here or have done that really warrants me thinking about where I am now with this movement
Leaders, try to realize that everyone wants different things to happen, and you don’t have to agree everything, or do something just because someone seems to have some sort of greater power. The idea is, no one should have any power over anyone else. Stick up for what you think, and listen to what each other has to say instead of trying to intimidate or blindly follow. Try to come to something that can please everyone rather than appease one or two people. An always keep in mind that this was, is and always should remain a fan movement, not a movement where most of the emphasis goes to one or two people.
Look at the reasons Phil left, don't just look at the fact that he left.
Just step back and give yourselves time to really, and I mean very seriously, really think about everything that has happened. This is something I don’t think has been done for a long time; everyone’s become so obsessed over getting something done or making one certain thing work that it seems no one has really taken time to really step back and see what’s going on around them, or how they themselves might be acting, or how certain things have begun to effect the movement.
I think the best thing everyone can do right now, is stop, and take some good time to revaluate how this thing we call the FFF is going to continue.
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Post by manofevil on Feb 6, 2008 12:25:27 GMT -5
Well, that's fine and dandy for those of us who aren't standing here with question marks over our heads.
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Post by Comrade_Chin on Feb 6, 2008 12:36:23 GMT -5
I agree that a lot has been blown way out of proportion here. But I have to say, I think everyone is scrambling around to much and jumping to all kinds of conclusions way to quickly. Yes there has been chaos, but maybe right now the best thing everyone can do is chill out, calm down, and take a good hard look at everything that’s happened as well as take a good look at ourselves. Try to step back and see where you really stand and how you’ve carried yourself in relation to other fighters and the fight itself. This applies to my own self as well, for I’d be a hypocrite if I was to say that there’s not a lot of stuff I’ve been involved in here or have done that really warrants me thinking about where I am now with this movement Leaders, try to realize that everyone wants different things to happen, and you don’t have to agree everything, or do something just because someone seems to have some sort of greater power. The idea is, no one should have any power over anyone else. Stick up for what you think, and listen to what each other has to say instead of trying to intimidate or blindly follow. Try to come to something that can please everyone rather than appease one or two people. An always keep in mind that this was, is and always should remain a fan movement, not a movement where most of the emphasis goes to one or two people. Look at the reasons Phil left, don't just look at the fact that he left. Just step back and give yourselves time to really, and I mean very seriously, really think about everything that has happened. This is something I don’t think has been done for a long time; everyone’s become so obsessed over getting something done or making one certain thing work that it seems no one has really taken time to really step back and see what’s going on around them, or how they themselves might be acting, or how certain things have begun to effect the movement. I think the best thing everyone can do right now, is stop, and take some good time to revaluate how this thing we call the FFF is going to continue. There is nothing to reconsider for the FFF,FFF is independent from FF3 and the alliance.We just move on what we FFF members does best and that is move on and continue.There's no need for us to bother and keep banging on what happen whose fault is it in this issue.All FFF members are requested to just continue on with the set dates. Comrade_Chin Out
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Post by j1mbafr0sty on Feb 6, 2008 13:26:07 GMT -5
Thats what im saying^^^ i mean i wouldnt mind knowing what all happend but i dont really care. Cos it's just some retarded ish going on with people so let them do what they need to do.
We all should not care what happens behind the scenes or what beef people have. Thats THEIR problems and THEIR concern. Our concern is keeping kool and waiting to hear what to do and what our next mov e is and do it and also do things and think up of new ways on our own.
Maybe i'm an ass but i dont care and i dont know why you guys care so much. So things happend? big deal it happens everyday in life. All where doing is saving a show its not like where raising money for aids and someone took all the money and bla bla bal. Some people had beef with eachother. Oh well ill move on and fight. Nothing has changed.
maybe we should all take a break like a break break. for like a week or so no fighting no kp watching not even this. a Complete vacation from kp so people can clear their heads and gain the love and fule back for kp.
sorry for my rant lol.
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Post by morefood2001 on Feb 6, 2008 15:16:37 GMT -5
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