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Post by elvisjj on Feb 27, 2008 3:03:29 GMT -5
This post is made to hopefully heal the rift in the Fight For Five once and for all...
It's been a long time since elvisjj has given a speech and please bare with me on this one, as this might become rather long.
Tonight I heard a rumor that has made me make this decision. There's no need to get into the rumor, but I'm tired of the rumors, tired of the hate, and most of all tired of everything that has happened to all of us here. We've become the very thing we fought against, we've become like Disney executives, bickering, hating, spreading rumors about each other, back-stabbing, making assumptions of leaving if we don't get our way. Overall playing with power and the more we played with power, the more corrupt that power made us too be and the more it all just spiralled out of control.
I myself am to blame for this...it was I who brought Anna and Mike to the Fight For Five and helped form the alliance. I should have realized that their personal vendetta against each other would not only interfere with our cause, but would tear us apart like the way it did...and for that I'm deeply sorry.
What I'm not sorry for is the fact some of you judged Anna too harshly and pre-judged her in many ways. You allowed the hate to grow, to simmer to the point it boiled over and the results were catastrophic. As I chose to defend Anna and I make no apologizes for doing so...she's not the monster people have made her out to be. She has a heart, a very big one, and seeing she's not here to defend herself. This is what she told me in her e-mail to me at tv.com/dragon...
"Hate is a vicious circle. Hating and being hated... who knows where it begins. But somewhere, it has to end. You ended that vicious circle with me."
Words that have haunted me and keep haunting me even now. Is this what we've become here? This was home too me and all of you guys were family...my second family. And we allowed this to happen.
My deepest regret is hurting all of you here and most of all hurting Dave...that will always eat away at me. Dave is a good man, he deserves better...I hurt him emotionally and I know that, and there's nothing I can do now to change the past and what happened. It's something I'll have to live with it, my burden and mine alone. I'm so sorry Dave. I truly wish it had been different, that we could have found some common ground, but not everything works out the way it should and for that I'm sorry.
I hope sometime in the near future you'll decide to come back here Dave, cause these people need you...and they need you too PHIL. We had our differences Phil, but don't think about me, think about them. Your a great guy Phil. You've done so much for the Fight For Five and the Fight For Three and for that we're all in your debt and I have nothing but respect for you, even though I didn't agree with everything. I think these people will really need your special skills now more then ever before.
And I couldn't have done any of this media stuff without someone who deserves just as much or even greater credit then I do, sombershadow and Louis. sombershadow is the true light when it comes to getting all of us Kim Possible media and he was instrumental in helping us get the Boston Herald and Tenley Woodman, take a bow my friend...it's time your hard work was at least acknowledged.
You are all going to BE OK! You have taken the next step to renewal, to continue on the Fight For Five in a different direction. I only have praises to say to artfan, you stepped up brow...thank you. Lord victorino I'll always remember Carl Jr...and all your hard work and believing in more Kim Possible, keep it up it will happen.
dracko19, thank you for helping the fight for five and for the gift. darth what can I say my friend? It was a pleasure and an honor, not to mention quite a ride and the ride is no where near finishing, as you and chin and all of you here, venture forward for The Fight For Five.
You don't need leaders, especially not me...you are all leaders in your own right...remember who you all are, and what makes each and everyone of you special. Remember what makes us strong is the fact WE CARE...the Dragons still need help...and the alliance's failure is my fault, not theirs. Please consider to help the American Dragons, as any GOOD DEED will never go unrewarded in the end...
I know in the end you guys will bring back the family spirit this board and the Fight For Five once shared and enjoyed and you will all succeed in the Fight For Five and all your hard work will not go in vain, as you will get a Season Five soon enough.
TO THE FIGHT FOR FIVE....
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Post by mrpotty on Feb 27, 2008 5:05:59 GMT -5
After everything that has happend I would say: Too little, too late. Yes, you are right about that we shouldn't fight about leadership and stuff and since there has always been a "liberal" FFF existed, next to your militaristic FFF, where everybody stabbed each other in the back, I'm sure that the fight for five will go on. It has always been something that worked without any leadership. I know many people who have never even visited the official FFF site, but did at lot to save the show by themself. But I've heard from many people who I know for a long time and who I really trust lots of stories about the infight behind the scenes and I seriously gotta say that it's in my eyes too late to apologize and pull the "Let's all be friends again"-card. (And I say that to everybody who was involved in this sh*t.)
But at least I agree with one thing: Don'T let the fight for more KP be affected by this childish behaviour.
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Post by KillerBebe Obeys Zita on Feb 27, 2008 10:21:33 GMT -5
What I see going on here I am finding very stressful, I am trying hard to understand all the infighting. I do not like what I am seeing and believe that we are losing sight of what the FFF was started for, “To save Kim Possible.”
I believe that we do need leaders to keep the campaign in check; otherwise the fight can and will run a muck without direction. If having a strong leadership has bruised some egos, I must ask that we put this aside for the good of the FFF and our goals.
The campaign has come to far and has accomplished more than I ever could hope for in such a short time, we are getting some press, we are talked about in the halls of Disney, we are hitting the right people and have been given a short list of names of who is in the best position to help save the show (by someone within Disney itself.)
To throw all this away because people do not like the leadership or that there is a leadership I hate to say is foolish. I may have missed the fight for four but have been with the Five since it started and have never once asked to be a leader or called myself one. I have always seen myself as we all are (an equal member of the group) who can put forward ideas and suggestions, and the leadership can look over them and pick what we as the group shall do next, otherwise it would be as I said earlier (chaos.)
I miss the days of a live pitch session on Saturdays where we all met on msn, we got more accomplished as a group in these than elsewhere and should try it once again.
I must add that the alliance with ADJL was a good idea; it combined two groups to fight for their shows and add numbers to both fights. I have to admit that since I am a KP fan I saw it as Kim first and Jake second, this was wrong on my account and may have led to sore feelings with the ADJL group that they were not given the respect due to them.
The only good that this fighting will do is to make Disney laugh and the naysayers who want Kim to end on this site all wag their tongues, they may be afraid of what the future hold and not have the will to fight but we do. I ask that we all take a breath and relax and get back to what drew us all together, saving Kim Possible and renewal of the series.
Anthony
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Post by dracko19 on Feb 27, 2008 10:36:14 GMT -5
The media, fans and Disney have no idea about the "bickering". Its strictly confined to rs.net and a couple of other sites like tv.com. elvis just needs to get refocused on KP and less on Anna and things will be fine. Everyone else has moved on. I'm glad elvis is realizing that Phil is an asset and he needs to be utilized instead of confronted.
Its sad that RD came here to help you and you spat in his face. I'm still not happy about that. You have more work to do in making up for that in my eyes.
Just focus on FFF and organize some brainstorming sessions with the movers and shakers of the fight and come up with a plan. Then work to implement. Success has a way of smoothing over problems.
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Post by nabusan on Feb 27, 2008 10:45:16 GMT -5
I still want to know what was so bad that it drove RD away. I mean, he's one of the most level-headed people I know. But I'm glad you guys are starting to move on from this.
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Post by mrpotty on Feb 27, 2008 14:05:24 GMT -5
It's up to RD if he forgives you for this, but in fact I know many people who wouldn't care if you leave and never come back, just because of this. So you see that you really have a lot of work to do.
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Post by rd on Feb 27, 2008 17:13:26 GMT -5
Move forward, my friends.
What's done is done, and there is nothing to really forgive from my point of view.
I love ya all, especially you, Julius. You are SUCH a defining member that to shrink from your chosen love of duty simply because an apparent warm-hearted effort to help another human being turned out to be as it turned out to be. I sincerely hope you simply learn from this unfortunate sitch and make a come-back in your efforts, and succeed in them that the entertainment industry is turned on it's ear, LOL!
And we get our shows back in production!
I did what I did simply because of health issues, gang. That and nothing more.
I ain't unhappy with anybody. Just needed a rest.
KeeP the FAITH!
Dave
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Post by morefood2001 on Feb 27, 2008 22:44:41 GMT -5
Honestly, This is one thread that I thought that I would never see. Like Dave said, whats done is done and there is no way to reverse it. Although I am no longer active in the fight, none of my promises that I have ever made (even during it) have been broken if I still remember what they were. There is even a small chance I may decide to come back in the future, although it really depends on my massive schedule. A little pep talk/cheer: YOU ALL HAVE THE POWER TO SUCCEED;) I look forward to seeing the fight regain its strength in the direction that you all agree upon
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Post by tidus on Feb 28, 2008 0:18:32 GMT -5
I've missed too much, I'm going to take that as being a good thing. And just out of curiousity, why do we always have to keep up the infighting, and then say it won't happen again, only to happen again... it happens a lot, just push through and fight only the battles you must, everything else is a distraction. so are all the distractions/grievances/animosities done with, and out of our system for now anyways Always curious, Takeruz2
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Post by ferryport1987 on Feb 28, 2008 0:25:33 GMT -5
I'll still fight for five even though there will be only 5% of us KP fans fighting for it i mean we all want to see what happends after High School for kim and Ron and their adult selfs as well...and especially the new allies to K/R which is the newly form couple Drakken and Shego...i also want to see Monique and Wade get together in Season 5 so let's keep on fighting like if it's a strike until we get what we want...i mean we can wait up to three years but at least make us a KP movie if you're not entitled to do a Season 5
Kim Possible will always play forever in a little TV in my heart and Season 5 will be as well predicted nicely and well putted in my heart til the end
♥FIGHT FOR FIVE♥
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Post by elvisjj on Feb 28, 2008 2:03:40 GMT -5
Alright, no matter how much I try to make things right, to heal us, to heal me, to heal everything we ever stood for, I just can't seem to win...funny I can win over the media, I can even give Disney a run for their money, yet I can't heal the pain and emotions this all caused, let alone the resentment some of you still feel towards everything that has happened.
What I said, what I posted I meant, I'm a man of deep feelings and that's my weakness. Dave knew that, he told me that too, thanks Dave you so knew me my friend, that my downfall will be my heart and my emotions.
All I ask is you all think about and consider where we're going and what has happened to us.. Please reconsider giving Anna another chance and forgive her. As I mentioned, she's not what some of you made her out to be. Her weakness is very much the same as mine...she tends to care too much, except unlike me. She build a wall around herself to protect herself from feeling anything for anyone, and not just you guys in general. Even for me it took a very long time to make that indestructible wall of hers come crumbling down.
Like me, she too deeply regrets everything that has happened and the part she played in it, as I mentioned none of us are innocent in all this, not Anna, not myself, not Mike, not Phil, we all cause this pain and suffering for all of you guys who really had nothing to do with it...and it's time we moved on and healed this before it really does destroy everything we fought so hard to achieve.
So please all I'm asking for is when and if Anna decides to come back, to just please give her another chance, forgive her, let the healing of the Fight For Five be complete...our strength has always been our compassion and our hearts...don't take that away from the fight, cause that in the end will win us what we desire a Season Five of Kim Possible and for the dragons a Season Three of American Dragon.
I had a talk with Mike and we both agreed that the alliance got a bum wrap, and yes Mike and I have healed our differences. Mike and Anna have joined forces together and will try to rebuild the American Dragons and their fight for Three. I will help them, but mostly in the background, as I will continue to help you guys mostly in the background.
I am going away, for how long, only time will tell. But I will not completely abandon you guys...Dave's words ring in my ears and Dave is right. We need everyones help to win this fight for Kim Possible and to rebuild the Fight For Five once more.
And it's never to late for you to come back Phil, and Dave I pray for you buddy to get well. And pray that sometime soon you would come back here, cause sometime soon we can fix all this, we can heal all this and we can win this together like we set out to do.
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Post by Ot@ru on Feb 28, 2008 20:54:32 GMT -5
I will still fight for season 5.I'm not gonna give up,not now,not ever...
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Post by tidus on Feb 29, 2008 18:31:56 GMT -5
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Post by j1mbafr0sty on Mar 1, 2008 0:59:37 GMT -5
i will still right too but im sorry i dont care what happens in here or with the people here. if theirs to ppl having beef then they need to address it like adults. If not w/e move on its just the internet, people u dont know even though u think u do. Ppl that uve never seen or meet in real life. This is just the internet people. This is just a fourm to chill at.
I mean im sorry things got this way and ppls fellings got hurt but really on here where nothing more then a screen name. Help is great and and being kind is great, and all of us comming together is great but its the internet!
if people are sorry and say it let it go and move on as long as they keep fighting and dont do it again. if so ban them its that ez.
I can see if someone helps out a lot and bickering happens and gets baned with no way of defending him self that i can see but things happen u move on thats it thats all.
i will still fight as so many others but lets all move on lol
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Post by Beaglebub on Mar 1, 2008 2:37:35 GMT -5
I was a leader of the original Mission Kim Possible movement. (We helped give fans a Season Four)
You people seem to lack something MKP had......we listened.
~ Listen to each other. You need to work as a team.
~ Listen to what the fans want. It's who you are fighting for, isn't it?
~ Listen to your opponents' viewpoints. It will only make you stronger.
Thanks for listening (I hope).
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Post by jamesburningstorm on Mar 1, 2008 6:12:21 GMT -5
dont worry mate, im listening
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Post by ogehsim on Mar 1, 2008 13:55:10 GMT -5
I missed all of the fighting and really have no idea what's been going on.
Pleasr remain strong, KP needs every one of us.
Fighting is going to happen. It's inevitable. The only thing we can change is how we deal with it and how we move on from it. Hopefully the air has been cleared, we can look back on our mistakes, correct them, and push forward. We need to look towards the future. I believe most have apologized; we ought to not dwell on the past any longer. Let us move back to the campaign to save Kim Possible.
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Post by eddybob15 on Mar 9, 2008 16:38:39 GMT -5
Alright, no matter how much I try to make things right, to heal us, to heal me, to heal everything we ever stood for, I just can't seem to win...funny I can win over the media, I can even give Disney a run for their money, yet I can't heal the pain and emotions this all caused, let alone the resentment some of you still feel towards everything that has happened. What I said, what I posted I meant, I'm a man of deep feelings and that's my weakness. Dave knew that, he told me that too, thanks Dave you so knew me my friend, that my downfall will be my heart and my emotions. All I ask is you all think about and consider where we're going and what has happened to us.. Please reconsider giving Anna another chance and forgive her. As I mentioned, she's not what some of you made her out to be. Her weakness is very much the same as mine...she tends to care too much, except unlike me. She build a wall around herself to protect herself from feeling anything for anyone, and not just you guys in general. Even for me it took a very long time to make that indestructible wall of hers come crumbling down. Like me, she too deeply regrets everything that has happened and the part she played in it, as I mentioned none of us are innocent in all this, not Anna, not myself, not Mike, not Phil, we all cause this pain and suffering for all of you guys who really had nothing to do with it...and it's time we moved on and healed this before it really does destroy everything we fought so hard to achieve. So please all I'm asking for is when and if Anna decides to come back, to just please give her another chance, forgive her, let the healing of the Fight For Five be complete...our strength has always been our compassion and our hearts...don't take that away from the fight, cause that in the end will win us what we desire a Season Five of Kim Possible and for the dragons a Season Three of American Dragon. I had a talk with Mike and we both agreed that the alliance got a bum wrap, and yes Mike and I have healed our differences. Mike and Anna have joined forces together and will try to rebuild the American Dragons and their fight for Three. I will help them, but mostly in the background, as I will continue to help you guys mostly in the background. I am going away, for how long, only time will tell. But I will not completely abandon you guys...Dave's words ring in my ears and Dave is right. We need everyones help to win this fight for Kim Possible and to rebuild the Fight For Five once more. And it's never to late for you to come back Phil, and Dave I pray for you buddy to get well. And pray that sometime soon you would come back here, cause sometime soon we can fix all this, we can heal all this and we can win this together like we set out to do. We'll miss you, Elvis, we hope you come back soon.
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Post by GT on Mar 13, 2008 23:27:49 GMT -5
We're all in this. In the past we had an internet civil war, but time heals wounds eventually. If we learn from the past, it won't repeat itself. Let's move on, and fight in a new direction.
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Post by johnnys on Mar 14, 2008 10:30:50 GMT -5
I was lurking few weeks ago juz to update myself on what's goin' on in rs.net, and saw that RD quit due to health reasons. I was so shocked that I called him instantly, and that was 4am in the morning here in Malaysia (abt 12pm in LA, I guess). He assured me that he was doing better, which was a huge relief for me. Honestly, I was rather pissed when this issue affected one of my closest friend on the board, which in my opinion was unnecessary and uncalled for....and after checking with a few other members to get a better understanding on what's goin' on, I came to a decision to suspend all my FFF activities indefinitely.
However, I'm glad to see you posted this thread. I shall resume with my FFF activities whenever I have some free time.
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