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Post by YFWE on Jan 17, 2009 19:30:22 GMT -5
tl;dr as in I didn't read it because 1)too long to actually grab my attention and 2) because I (and most of the rest of us) don't really care anymore. At this point you're just beating a dead horse because it's pretty much over now. x)
Although unfortunately I have read now, and I can't help but wonder when the FFF's rights were violated.
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Post by lordvictorino on Jan 18, 2009 2:33:48 GMT -5
So...they told me that old Artfan was mad, but I didn't expect this . I believe you've expressed your opinion on the Fight For Five time and time again, and for better and worse, people listened to you, and you made valid points. I even enjoyed your take on the movement, as you seemed to share my same sense of reason and logic. But now, you've sunken to just attacking your fellow-forumers here? Seeing as a good half are dedicated Fight For Five members, now you're just going to childishly antagonize them. Thats not very nice, is it? Stating your opinion is one thing, and I for one encourage opposing opinions for ANY movement. But doing so in a way that violates the rights and respects of other members in a forum is just trying to pick a fight. And quite frankly, forums exist on peace and respect between members. So, as....shall we say, Bitter, very bitter, you are, try to chill out and show some respect. Peace, -Anna Hi Anna, I could not have said it better myself. But you have to understand what sort of people that you are responding to. Please and Thank You, Tony M. Victorino
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Post by Captain Serge Stiles on Jan 18, 2009 2:41:34 GMT -5
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Post by YFWE on Jan 18, 2009 2:49:19 GMT -5
Haha, perhaps, Tony. Perhaps. But I, for one, am trying to act in accordance with what RD said in the chat the other night, and I thought everything was working out well.
Then again, no one said you had to take what he said and apply it anywhere, so I suppose you can continue 'calling them like you see them.'
I, for one, think I'll stick with RD's advice. =]
On a side note, can I be child Drakken? I always liked dodgeball!
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Post by Captain Serge Stiles on Jan 18, 2009 2:53:09 GMT -5
I'll be little Monkey Fist... so it'll be easier for me to get into people's windows. :>
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Post by ArtFan88 on Jan 18, 2009 3:23:58 GMT -5
So...they told me that old Artfan was mad, but I didn't expect this . I believe you've expressed your opinion on the Fight For Five time and time again, and for better and worse, people listened to you, and you made valid points. I even enjoyed your take on the movement, as you seemed to share my same sense of reason and logic. But now, you've sunken to just attacking your fellow-forumers here? Seeing as a good half are dedicated Fight For Five members, now you're just going to childishly antagonize them. Thats not very nice, is it? Stating your opinion is one thing, and I for one encourage opposing opinions for ANY movement. But doing so in a way that violates the rights and respects of other members in a forum is just trying to pick a fight. And quite frankly, forums exist on peace and respect between members. So, as....shall we say, Bitter, very bitter, you are, try to chill out and show some respect. Peace, -Anna First of all: LOLOLOLOL... I'd like to point out that this isn't something only I thought up. It was several of us, and we did it not out of disrespect or to mock the FFF, but just as a means to let others voice their thoughts about not having a season 5. We're just as legit and ask that people try to understand this Second of all: If you wanna bring up ME having no respect and sinking low, let me pull up a few past chat logs involving convos with YOU and I'm sure you'd change your tune . Particularly the part about you appreciating ANYTHING I did. Once again, LOLOLOLOL... Third of all: read thisI DO still have some respect and I stated it here. But these days I respect the FFF for how it WAS, not how it is. I think I made my points clear in that post; if you have the attention span to read it please do so, thanks
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Post by Lord FunkyHoof on Jan 18, 2009 9:53:08 GMT -5
I'll be little Monkey Fist... so it'll be easier for me to get into people's windows. :> And I can be little Killigan :>
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Post by Captain Serge Stiles on Jan 18, 2009 11:21:48 GMT -5
I'll be little Monkey Fist... so it'll be easier for me to get into people's windows. :> And I can be little Killigan :> THEN WE WOULD BE UNSTOPPABLE. ...Until naptime. :>
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Post by Lord FunkyHoof on Jan 18, 2009 14:48:21 GMT -5
Oh you 8>
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Post by name on Jan 18, 2009 18:00:02 GMT -5
So...they told me that old Artfan was mad, but I didn't expect this . I believe you've expressed your opinion on the Fight For Five time and time again, and for better and worse, people listened to you, and you made valid points. I even enjoyed your take on the movement, as you seemed to share my same sense of reason and logic. But now, you've sunken to just attacking your fellow-forumers here? Seeing as a good half are dedicated Fight For Five members, now you're just going to childishly antagonize them. Thats not very nice, is it? Stating your opinion is one thing, and I for one encourage opposing opinions for ANY movement. But doing so in a way that violates the rights and respects of other members in a forum is just trying to pick a fight. And quite frankly, forums exist on peace and respect between members. So, as....shall we say, Bitter, very bitter, you are, try to chill out and show some respect. Peace, -Anna First of all: LOLOLOLOL... I'd like to point out that this isn't something only I thought up. It was several of us, and we did it not out of disrespect or to mock the FFF, but just as a means to let others voice their thoughts about not having a season 5. We're just as legit and ask that people try to understand this Second of all: If you wanna bring up ME having no respect and sinking low, let me pull up a few past chat logs involving convos with YOU and I'm sure you'd change your tune . Particularly the part about you appreciating ANYTHING I did. Once again, LOLOLOLOL... Third of all: read thisI DO still have some respect and I stated it here. But these days I respect the FFF for how it WAS, not how it is. I think I made my points clear in that post; if you have the attention span to read it please do so, thanks Yeah, I read it all. I actually just didn't get a chance to respond till yesterday, as i read it all like a week ago. I don't mind if you call me immature. For the most part, I have acted that way, and its kind of my style. I get along a lot better now with most people, and I focus a lot more on showing respect. I may not be the most mature person around, but I do understand what ignites hard feelings between people, and this is a perfect example. Think to yourself-- and yes, I know more than just you were involved-- is there possibly a more respectful way you could be refuting the fight for five's movement?
If the answer is yes, then try to keep that in mind, an adjust some of your harsh perspective and mocking tone. I guess the real reason this bothered me is because, to be honest, I see through you Artfan. You're bitter at the members of the Fight For Five, and thats why you're so into this right now. I'm just saying, you shouldn't let your personal grudge against some of the members fuel your hate for the Fight For Five movement. I used to look up to you for your maturity in situations you didnt' agree with. And thats what upsets me, is all the hate going on here. I'm just asking you all to keep in mind toning down your opinions in a way that doesn't seem mocking or antagonistic. Thats all I have to say, and I won't comment further on this matter.
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Post by atecom on Jan 19, 2009 5:27:28 GMT -5
This question of 'Is there a more respectful way to do this?' could be legitimately asked of the FAF (Which started off mostly as a joke group), however it should have been asked ages ago in the FFF. Could the Fight for a Fifth Season of Kim possible have been carried out differently then a bunch of abusive emails, from either preteens or what seemed like preteens. Now I cannot speak for the entire FFF movement, but a vast number of people who were fighting for a new season of Kim Possible, spamming Disney with a ton of hate mail about canceling the show and made the FFF and every other fighting movement look like a group of brats.
I haven't read Artfan's post out of protest of it being too long, so I don't know if he says he joined the FAF cause he didn't like how the FFF was going (Which really wouldn't make sense, but then again its artfan) or if he genuinely does not want a new season, however in any case, the FAF came as a new board, but from my perspective (Which is one neither from the FFF or FAF) the FFF people went crazy about the FAF and attacked them in the same way many people including ones part of the FFF attacked Disney. Now the result is this once joke group is now here to stay. I don't feel that Artfan is the aggressor here, realistically, it is acceptable to think that people may not want a new season, as for me i'm indifferent, I wouldn't mind a new season if it gave me something decent to watch on tv.
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Post by ArtFan88 on Jan 19, 2009 5:44:16 GMT -5
Ok, for those that want it, here's the Reader's Digest version of my post. I still urge you to read the full thing as its much more solid and explains much more then this does.
Basically, I feel the FFF has to many problems keeping them from success and it kills me to watch them run around in circles and get nothing done while acting like they're doing everything right and there's nothing wrong. They've lost all form of organization, they've become a mindless spamming operation, and they have all these little problems dragging them down that I feel could be easily fixed if they would listen to more outside advice. Its not that we (or at least I) want to tear them down or wish they'd just fail horribly at everything they do, I just want to see them get back towards how they started out as by at least a little bit so that when whatever happens happens they can have at least a LITTLE dignity to their name by the end. Stop listening to people promising the world, saying "we'll get KP back no matter what!" Stop the mindset of "everyone has to listen to the fans" and "we're responsible for this, see?!", stop the mindset of "the more email we send the better our chances are!" Especially that last one (There are a few more but I can't be bothered to remember them right now).
I just want the FFF to realize that the reasons for their current slump are pretty obvious if they would just open their eyes, and they can easily be fixed with some work. But first they need to realize whats wrong and be WILLING to fix it.
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Post by Tenkan on Jan 19, 2009 8:37:47 GMT -5
Kind of like when Pete ran the humidifier and dehumidifier right next to each other. Put me down as another 'KP fan, not Disney fan.' Because, apart from KP, I really don't care about any Disney show of the past...10 years at least. From this point on they can make new HSM shows until the seas boil and the sky falls for all I care. And I think KP ended in the right place. Statement: I agree. Though, I was an FFF member before, I decided to stop since I realized that Kim Possible ended very well. Supplication: I am not against the FFF nor the FAF. They have their opinions, and I am quite sure I have mine. And my opinion, is that Kim Possible deserved a good ending, and it did get one. Similar to Avatar: The Last Airbender, for I completely disagree for a 4th book, since the story was meant to end there... Clarification: I believe in stories with beginnings and endings. Not an unlimited supply of mini-stories combined into one big story, in one big giant universe of knowledge that never ends. If KP kept winning new seasons I must say it would get very repetitive. --- Correction: Oh, but this doesn't apply to Star Wars, of course. Nothing applies to Star Wars. Star Wars is gooood. B [ --- Conclusion: I am not against the FFF nor the FAF. I am not a fan of Disney, I am only a fan of Kim Possible. I never was a fan of Disney; perhaps they make really good classical cartoons, but they have stopped and changed their system.
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Post by eddybob15 on Jan 19, 2009 13:39:34 GMT -5
ArtFan, I have to say I agree with you. I feel like we of the FFF aren't making enough progress because we're not organized enough. We need someone's help to get us together. Why don't you come back to the FFF and help us? We could use someone like you to help us stay on the same page.
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Post by name on Jan 19, 2009 19:09:59 GMT -5
This question of 'Is there a more respectful way to do this?' could be legitimately asked of the FAF (Which started off mostly as a joke group), however it should have been asked ages ago in the FFF. Could the Fight for a Fifth Season of Kim possible have been carried out differently then a bunch of abusive emails, from either preteens or what seemed like preteens. Now I cannot speak for the entire FFF movement, but a vast number of people who were fighting for a new season of Kim Possible, spamming Disney with a ton of hate mail about canceling the show and made the FFF and every other fighting movement look like a group of brats. I haven't read Artfan's post out of protest of it being too long, so I don't know if he says he joined the FAF cause he didn't like how the FFF was going (Which really wouldn't make sense, but then again its artfan) or if he genuinely does not want a new season, however in any case, the FAF came as a new board, but from my perspective (Which is one neither from the FFF or FAF) the FFF people went crazy about the FAF and attacked them in the same way many people including ones part of the FFF attacked Disney. Now the result is this once joke group is now here to stay. I don't feel that Artfan is the aggressor here, realistically, it is acceptable to think that people may not want a new season, as for me i'm indifferent, I wouldn't mind a new season if it gave me something decent to watch on tv. Yeah, you're totally right. The FFF is often out of line. I hate how they say, "If you don't support the FFF, you're not a TRUE fan of KP!" That's ridiculous. People need to have the choice to support a movement, and then be respected for the choice they make. I'm not saying either side is right. Ok, for those that want it, here's the Reader's Digest version of my post. I still urge you to read the full thing as its much more solid and explains much more then this does. Basically, I feel the FFF has to many problems keeping them from success and it kills me to watch them run around in circles and get nothing done while acting like they're doing everything right and there's nothing wrong. They've lost all form of organization, they've become a mindless spamming operation, and they have all these little problems dragging them down that I feel could be easily fixed if they would listen to more outside advice. Its not that we (or at least I) want to tear them down or wish they'd just fail horribly at everything they do, I just want to see them get back towards how they started out as by at least a little bit so that when whatever happens happens they can have at least a LITTLE dignity to their name by the end. Stop listening to people promising the world, saying "we'll get KP back no matter what!" Stop the mindset of "everyone has to listen to the fans" and "we're responsible for this, see?!", stop the mindset of "the more email we send the better our chances are!" Especially that last one (There are a few more but I can't be bothered to remember them right now). I just want the FFF to realize that the reasons for their current slump are pretty obvious if they would just open their eyes, and they can easily be fixed with some work. But first they need to realize whats wrong and be WILLING to fix it. So then, you're admitting you ARE bitter at the FFF for not listening enough to you? You really support saving KP, you're just upset they haven't done things your way? Well, I agree that they're not operating efficiently, but there's nothing stopping you from trying to do better. I'd support your efforts.
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Post by Captain Serge Stiles on Jan 19, 2009 21:40:24 GMT -5
Thats all I have to say, and I won't comment further on this matter. Oh. Don't worry, I'm not telling you to stfu or anything. I just always think it's amusing how there's always more to say, I know how I've told myself the same thing but still replied.
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Post by ArtFan88 on Jan 20, 2009 1:19:55 GMT -5
So then, you're admitting you ARE bitter at the FFF for not listening enough to you? You really support saving KP, you're just upset they haven't done things your way? Well, I agree that they're not operating efficiently, but there's nothing stopping you from trying to do better. I'd support your efforts. Uh, wrong again. I don't really support saving KP either. In the year (or more) since I left the FFF I've pretty much moved on; I've been content with how the show ended and I don't see the need for a 5th season. When I say it kills me to see the FFF operate how it is, I'm saying that while I'm not fighting and don't support the cause, I still think those that ARE fighting can do better and I feel bad for them constantly doing things that drag them down. Think of it as watching a wounded animal; you wouldn't normally care but you see it struggling and feel bad for its problems and think of what you could do to help. I guess that's the closest I can liken my views to xD If they really wanted my help I guess I wouldn't mind giving them tips on how to pick it up; like I said if they were willing to listen and work for it they could possibly restore a little dignity to the movement. But as for me, I'm not with the idea of getting a season 5 and if I did help it would only be in the role of like a guidance councilor (or something xD).
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Post by name on Jan 20, 2009 18:28:19 GMT -5
So then, you're admitting you ARE bitter at the FFF for not listening enough to you? You really support saving KP, you're just upset they haven't done things your way? Well, I agree that they're not operating efficiently, but there's nothing stopping you from trying to do better. I'd support your efforts. Uh, wrong again. I don't really support saving KP either. In the year (or more) since I left the FFF I've pretty much moved on; I've been content with how the show ended and I don't see the need for a 5th season. When I say it kills me to see the FFF operate how it is, I'm saying that while I'm not fighting and don't support the cause, I still think those that ARE fighting can do better and I feel bad for them constantly doing things that drag them down. Think of it as watching a wounded animal; you wouldn't normally care but you see it struggling and feel bad for its problems and think of what you could do to help. I guess that's the closest I can liken my views to xD If they really wanted my help I guess I wouldn't mind giving them tips on how to pick it up; like I said if they were willing to listen and work for it they could possibly restore a little dignity to the movement. But as for me, I'm not with the idea of getting a season 5 and if I did help it would only be in the role of like a guidance councilor (or something xD). Glad to know you care
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Post by Mickey on Jan 27, 2009 1:48:34 GMT -5
....apart from KP, I really don't care about any Disney show of the past...10 years at least. From this point on they can make new HSM shows until the seas boil and the sky falls for all I care. Agreed. The only shows I ever liked watching on the Disney Channel since the start of this millennium is KP, Boy Meets World, and Darkwing Duck. Boy Meets World isn't even a Disney original and Darkwing Duck is from a long time ago. Kind of like John Elway. He ended his career with back to back Superbowl championships leaving you wondering if he could have continued on and played superbly or if he would have died out like a flickering candle. Would I like to see more KP? Yes, but the show ended strong and on a high note, so I'm happy with how it ended. KP and John Elway went out in a blaze of glory instead of like a dieing candle flickering in the wind like Steve Young or Jim Kelly.
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Post by eclogite on Jan 27, 2009 16:22:11 GMT -5
.....--- Correction: Oh, but this doesn't apply to Star Wars, of course. Nothing applies to Star Wars. Star Wars is gooood. B .... Good point, you can never have enough Jar Jar Binks and Ewoks.....
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