|
|
Post by cloudmonet on Mar 27, 2006 21:25:01 GMT -5
Post by cloudmonet on Jul 4, 2005, 4:17am
Quote:
“I like Ron. NO ONE is better looken then Ron! Kim is lucky! I wish I was her...”
Didn't I say a couple pages back (I think when we were doing "Golden Years") that Ron has serious charms as far as some of the ladies of this forum are concerned? Perfect example right here. Felix has some serious female fans, too. I've read some of their remarks. Sigh. It's probably not that easy for me to evaluate the relative attractiveness of Kim's male classmates, but Felix seems to me to share some of the appearance and personality traits of Josh Mankey and Erik the synthodrone which Kim finds attractive, but Kim doesn't respond to Felix the same way at all. Is it because he's handicapped, or am I just wrong and Felix isn't that attractive? We know Kim will settle down with Ron eventually, but "So the Drama" seems to indicate that she comes to view physical appearance, food-chain status, and "cool" personality as less important when she realizes that Ron is indeed her guy.
————————————————
Post by J2 on Jul 4, 2005, 5:11am
Kim did appear a bit flirtatious when she first met Felix. Perhaps if Felix was able to walk, then Kim might have seen Felix in a different sort of way. However, first impressions are important to Felix. Felix could feel Kim's hesitation around him. Compare this to Ron who treated him like anybody else. So the damage had already been done. Even if Kim had treated Felix normally, she was already hanging out with Ron, crushing on Josh Mankey, and had old rumors about her and Brick Flagg.
Besides, if Felix looked at Kim and Ron for the first time, and saw them as a true couple, then the last thing he would want to do is make a move on Ron's girl. Later, Felix would value Ron's friendship to do so anyways.
————————————————
Post by cloudmonet on Jul 4, 2005, 12:25pm
Yes, I think so.
Let me remember that what even got me started on this was the often-expressed (at least a few months ago) anti-K/R shipper viewpoint that one could find similar "clues" about various other possible couplings, such as Ron and Monique, or Kim and Felix. She fell onto his lap and touched his shoulder in a friendly sort of way, but there is something to quantity, and there's a vastly greater amount of this stuff between Kim and Ron than between any other pair except bonified couples.
And, my mind wandering as it does, I wondered why Kim makes some of the choices she does, but there's no way to build firm support or rebuttal for any of my theories. J2, you did a way better job.
-------
Woohoo! 400th post!
————————————————
|
|
|
|
Post by cloudmonet on Mar 27, 2006 21:26:42 GMT -5
Post by Sydney on Jul 5, 2005, 4:21am Allllllrighty. So. Motor Ed. Had way too much fun capping this thing. And I have no idea where to start in terms of discussion, because you guys have already have quite a bit. So I guess we'll start with the fair pre-felix. Lots of cute moments here everyone's mentioned. Nope, can't do dinner, "we're doing the fair." Or rather, "sorry, we can't do dinner at home tonight Dad, we've got a date."  And then they share their adventure from last year, to Mr. Dr. P's disgust. Here they are on the spinny ride again, around the clown comment, I think, Kim looking at Ron in that kind of happy, amused way- she actually does that quite a few times in the episode.  Its funny...it always seems like Kim thinks he's cute when he's not trying to be, and then always gets annoyed when he's actually trying to. Notice that he never seems to see these little looks she gives him. There- amused, here- not so amused.  Kim must sure be glad to have Ron's attention back from Zita, because here she is eyeing him again.   But then, enter...the third party! I think its clear that Kim definitely is flirting with Felix in the beginning...and even despite her tendency to mangle whatever she says around him, continues to throughout the episode. Oh wait! Who else is it that Kim can't form a coherent sentence around? Mmhmm. Mister Mankey-Pants. See, I think that, yes, the fact that he's in a wheelchair obviously makes her uncomfortable because she's struck with guilt that she can walk and he can't...but, she's also dealing with the fact that she's also, well, kind of attracted to him. He is, after all, really cute, in the more "obvious" way than Ron is. (Trying not to step on toes. ^_^ As has been stated in other threads, Ron would be my type all the way. So no worries.) Its his eyes!  Now, I think this is the case, someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that Felix might be the only character that has eyes like Kim and Mrs. Dr. Possible, with two rings. It makes his character look "cuter," just like it makes Kim stand out from all the other cheerleaders. His mom has them too.  Anyways, Felix recognizes Kim, who immediately goes into girl mode, lowers eyes and says, "I'm sorry, do I know you?" Maybe she's used to the come-ons of fanboys. Felix is of course happy to introduce himself-  And Kim says, rather unceremoniously, "This is Ron." Note, not "this is my friend Ron," or "this is my best friend, Ron, I've known him since Pre-K." Like Ron in Grudge Match, she understands that their friendship can sort of appear...date-like sometimes, and worries about how that's percieved by others they may be interested in pursuing. " Felix: "Sorry. I- am a champ rat smasher."  Look at Ron's expression in that one. WHO is this new guy? HOW did he beat me, and WHY is Kim looking at him that way?  Obviously he feels like there's a little competition here, in more ways than one.  basically what Kim does here: Oh Ron. You're cute and sad-*turns around in a flash* heynewGUY! Whattaya say we catch some rides!? Ron? But then of course there's that whole awkward moment where Kim realizes that Felix is in a wheelchair, and then Ron dashes right back in and starts trying to get to know him. So...does Ron suddenly realize that Felix isn't really competition? Or does he just decide to suck it up because he isn't quite sure whether he "likes" Kim that way, but that he does need to be there to support her no matter what? Or, maybe, is he just showing the good side of his personality that wouldn't let his own annoyance at being beat in front of his girl get past becoming great buds with someone? Who knows, but like everyone's said its never really an issue again. Ron, we've seen, doesn't really understand girls in the sense of how it is "expected" that a guy ought to recognize and respond those subtle (and not-so-subtle) romantic hints. The later revelations that Tara and Yori actually "liked him liked him" come as a complete surprise to him. I think this might be because, growing up with Kim as his best friend, he wasn't doing what a lot of little boys tend to do...think girls are icky and annoying and then suddenly at age 12 rethink that stance. (Kim is clearly miles ahead of Ron in terms of knowledge of the acceptable dating world, but because she too has grown up with Ron, she actually does not see him as a guy at all.) So in truth, he was probably never formally introduced to that idea of that "separate girl code," of how to flirt/realize you are being flirted with, etc. Although he does, somehow appear to pick up "the rules" from somewhere.  So maybe I'm totally off, but either way it shouldn't come as any surprise to Kim that he's not falling all over her feet the moment she puts on her "Oh Ro-on" show.  Ron, uneducated in many things girl, and, as you guys have said, probably thinking this is kind of weird and not normal for Kim (he's aware of her awkwardness the entire episode), is unresponsive. But here we have the mystery girl that J2 pointed out to us...yep, she knows the routine. Ack! Its 4:20 and I'm not done yet! *head drops on desk* I should probably head to bed...I'll finish up what I was saying about how I think Kim's sort of trying to flirt with Felix for the whole episode tomorrow. Or rather, heh, later today. Haha, and is Kim thinking ahead in the case of a replay from last year's chili dog adventure at the fair? Because she changes her shirt after the teacup ride.  ———————————————— |
|
|
|
Post by cloudmonet on Mar 27, 2006 21:28:46 GMT -5
Post by campy on Jul 5, 2005, 10:41am Jul 5, 2005, 4:21am, Sydney wrote: “Now, I think this is the case, someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that Felix might be the only character that has eyes like Kim and Mrs. Dr. Possible, with two rings. It makes his character look "cuter," just like it makes Kim stand out from all the other cheerleaders.” Did you mean to say only male character? I believe that would be correct. ———————————————— Post by Forlong on Jul 5, 2005, 11:12am Jul 3, 2005, 9:48pm, KR FOREVER wrote: “And i dont think kim likes Felix. Look at her face! Not attracted!” Jul 3, 2005, 11:23pm, Nightspade wrote: “Actually, I'd say her face is more surprised than disgusted.” I'd say Felix's smile is a bit forced. As if he finds this a bit awkward. ———————————————— Post by Forlong on Jul 5, 2005, 11:23am Felix actually looks kind of scary in this pic. ———————————————— |
|
|
|
Post by cloudmonet on Mar 27, 2006 21:29:49 GMT -5
Post by Carbon on Jul 5, 2005, 12:15pm
On "Vir-Tu-Ron" some points
Monique says Ron is already "in the game" with Zita- so I would suppose they must have some type of relationship beyond one movie where they sat by eachother at random, no? Yet he still isn't quite comfortable with walking up to her and her group of friends and joining in a conversation.
we see Zita get a *big* smile on her face when Ron says he has the power wand of whatever, so I guess his plan kind of worked.
One thing beyond the "do all girls act like this" line, and this is important. What does Ron say when they first see the villian?
"Yeah, Zita and me, we're kind of a team"
So Ron, is that what you call it when you are dating someone? a "team"? ;D
Then in the next scene it becomes apparent why we never see Zita again- She wants to meet Ron in everlot, he wants to take her to Bueno Nacho. they just don't mesh. It would appear that Zita really is way into this RPG stuff. Note Ron also gets 'sad' eyebrows when Zita invites him to play more everlot. Not what you had in mind is it Ron? either way they do go to Bueno Nacho, but making trade offs isn't the same as both people just wanting to do the same thing. Zita says "it's just a game" but she seems to play it constantly and is impressed by Ron being good at it, wether she admits it or not. She seems more dissapointed that Ron is a newb than that he cheated.
as for the "cut it out Rufus" scene. Kim clearly expects Ron to think of her as "A lady" and not just 'one of us guys" That screen cap from above is funny! poor pouty Kim, Ron is on a date and you'll have to eat with your family. Really says a lot about what Kim is feeling at that point.
When Kim and Wade find Ron in the game, and tell him he has to win, Zita says "you're the everlot master" and Ron says "Bring it on" look at Kim's expression here- she's got that "Oh that Ron" look. I guess she still thinks him trying to be the hero is pretty cute.
————————————————
|
|
|
|
Post by cloudmonet on Mar 27, 2006 21:30:58 GMT -5
More “Motor Ed”
Post by Carbon on Jul 5, 2005, 12:47pm
Jul 5, 2005, 4:21am, Sydney wrote:
“Now, I think this is the case, someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that Felix might be the only character that has eyes like Kim and Mrs. Dr. Possible, with two rings.”
Jul 5, 2005, 10:41am, campy wrote:
Did you mean to say only male character? I believe that would be correct.
Senor Senior Jr. and Shego also have those type of eyes, among others.
————————————————
Post by Forlong on Jul 5, 2005, 12:52pm
We're getting off topic a bit. If no one has anything else to say (give it a day), let's move on to The Fearless Ferret.
————————————————
Post by cloudmonet on Jul 5, 2005, 1:17pm
All right, Sydney! Excellent photoanalysis, though I'm not yet convinced that Kim was quite that interested in Felix. Curious about him at first, perhaps, and once she becomes aware of the wheelchair, she seems to want to help him and take care of him, which is (romantic considerations set aside for the moment) completely in character for her. "It's what I do, the help thing," she tells the ranger, handing her an injured baby eagle.
So is Felix a datable guy to Kim, or an injured baby eagle? Somewhere in between, possibly both. But Felix doesn't see himself that way at all, and is politely exasperated by Kim's map of Middleton High wheelchair ramps, for example, and makes wisecracks that mock Kim's attempts use politically correct language around him. Ron, on the other hand, sees that Felix wants to be just another person, and treats him that way.
I don't think Kim's inability to say the right thing around Felix Renton is the same as her inability to say anything at all around Josh Mankey. Her verbal troubles with Felix come from the "hero" aspect of her personality misfiring because Felix doesn't need a hero. With Josh, it's the "romantic" part. What's similar about both is she blows it by trying way too hard.
The problem with Kim and almost any other guy besides Ron is that she really likes the giddy feeling of giggles and blushes, but any boy who knows anything about Kim Possible is expecting a "strong, independent woman" as Monique puts it-- note how Josh alluded to her rescuing an ambassador in "Crush"-- but except for Ron, that's so not what they get.
---------
Okay, flashing back to Vir-Tu-Ron and "Zita and me, we're kind of a team"-- For Ron, putting Zita in Kim's place is the highest honor he could offer. Here he is, in a virtual world, on an adventure with a girl he likes, and of course parallels to the Possible/Stoppable team would come to mind.
At this point in the game, though, he's in Kim's bedroom, with Kim, using her computer, presumably typing this bit of dialog, or using a microphone. I would so love to have caught a glimpse of Kim's face to see how she reacted to this remark!
-------
Off topic? I don't see anything irrelevant in these posts.
————————————————
|
|
|
|
Post by cloudmonet on Mar 27, 2006 21:32:07 GMT -5
Post by Carbon on Jul 5, 2005, 3:37pm yes I would have liked to see Kim's face there on "Motor Ed" nothing much else to add, but to say that the Middleton Fair sure seems like a date to me. wether either of the characters would admit it or not. at any rate, whether Kim was "flirty" with Felix or not, by the end of the episode he is calling her "Possible", not exactly a sign of interest on his part. ———————————————— [end of page 21] |
|
|
|
Post by cloudmonet on Mar 27, 2006 22:18:39 GMT -5
Reevaluation of K/R feelings (Season 2) page 22 Cached by Google on Aug 19, 2005 03:12:45 GMT. (Read 15,336 times) ———————————————— SaliNacomoospeaky Sidekick's Sidekick ***** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 3,807 Location: Missouri « Reply #315 on Jul 5, 2005, 4:56pm » The "Possible" thing could just be him playing with her. He's challenging her to play him in basketball. Even so, he never did seem to be that interested in her that I saw. ———————————————— The Fearless Ferret!GnuHopper Guest « Reply #316 on Jul 5, 2005, 10:47pm » And now... "I believe the subtext here is rapidly becoming text" -- Rupert Giles "FF" is famous (or infamous) in "Kim Possible" fandom as the point where the romantic tension between Kim and Ron begins to change from subtle hints to something more obvious. And it's also the point where Ron Stoppable, having often played "...a supporting role in saving the world" starts to search for his own heroic identity. Is this just a coincidence, or is there a relationship between these two plot threads? Without going too far into the parodies of various incarnations of Batman (with some spoofing of the recent Spider-Man flick thrown in for good measure) that the ep throws at us, "FF" begins with a Walter Mitty-esque twist as Ron Stoppable dreams of performing brain surgery to save Kim and earning her adoring exhultation "You're a hero Ron!". Alas, the true Kim wakes him from the dream to put him back on bed pan duty, but the die is already cast -- throughout the episode we'll see Ron pursue life as a superhero. Why? After all, this is Ron Stoppable, afraid of his own shadow and happiest when chillin' down at Bueno Nacho. In the past he's leaped in harm's way for Kim, or when forced by circumstance, but otherwise Ron has shown little inclination to want a life of danger and daring. So why, when he discovers the lair of the Fearless Ferret, is he so ready to put on the costume and fight crime in the streets? Is it really just "the most excellent geek dream ever"? What is he trying to prove? Well, if the dream sequence in the teaser didn't make it apparent, the warehouse fight with White Stripe (silliest...villain...ever -- but in a good way) and the subsequent take off on the Spider-Man/Mary Jane upside down kiss makes it clear that Ron is trying to reinvent himself as a mysterious *romantic* character, someone who might just be able to steal a kiss from KIm Possible. Of course, Kim sees through his disguise and can't help treating Ron as Ron. Through their encounter in the Ferret Hole to their dual investigation of White Stripe's thefts, Ron does his best to play the hero while all Kim can see is "my best friend -- space case". And it doesn't help matters any when she discovers the whole Fearless Ferret identity is a fake, just the delusion of a over-the-hill actor and an equally unbalanced guest star. Long story short, Ron gets captured, the villain threatens to stink bomb hundreds at Ferret Fest, and Kim rides to the rescue. But then the story takes an interesting turn. White Stripe gets the best of Kim, gassing her into unconciousness (she apparently underestimated him thinking he was just a crazy old actor, not stopping to consider most of her foes are equally nutty). Which means that saving Kim and stopping the stink bomb is...a job for the Fearless Ferret (mark 2.0)! We've seen Ron save the day before, but somehow this time is different. When forced to fight Gill or Monkey Fist Ron was mainly motivated by self-preservation. Here I feel he is looking to prove something, as he says "Time to step up!" Rather than just run for cover or yelling for help, or even trying to revive Kim, he instead carries her to safety, struggles withe rigged balloon and wrestles it out the door, saving the convention. And, I might add, not once showing any of the fear or self-doubt we usually associate with Ron. The Fearless Ferret might be a fraud, but Ron Stoppable is the real thing. Epilogue. Timothy North finds happiness as a convention guest. White Stripe regains some sanity and becomes (apparently) the only KP villain to get off scott free. And Kim and Ron watch the tableau side-by-side: "North is actually smiling!" "Looks like he just needed a little Ronshine in his life." "I'm a hero. It's what I do." And then the words Ron Stoppable literally dreamed of hearing: "Way to go hero!" Kim says as she throws her arms around him, a huge smile on her face. While the way of the Ferret won't be Ron's particularly path to heroism, he demonstrates that he possesses the resources of a hero. And we can see Kim's reaction to this -- in fact, Kim never reveals her adoration for Ron more strongly than when he's being brave and unselfish. Throughout the season we'll see Ron continue to search for his path to heroism. But it's "The Fearless Ferret" that makes it clear WHY he does this. Or as Peter Parker would say, "Like any good story, it's all about a girl." GH ———————————————— KR FOREVER Blue Fox **** member is offline Joined: Jun 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 304 Location: missouri or beside ron! « Reply #317 on Jul 5, 2005, 11:11pm » DUDE!!!! You took everything I was going to say! OH YA! Every time I see the spiterman take off I flip! It is a take off! He does seem romanticly misteryess! *siys* Everything! The dream, the saving the day, the "way to go hero!" line! It was all good! ———————————————— Carbon Blue Fox **** Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 682 « Reply #318 on Jul 5, 2005, 11:55pm » OK, the fearless ferret. where to begin? 1. Ron fantasizes about saving Kim's life. "You're a hero Ron" [image missing] Could it be that he remembers Kim giving him "that look" back at camp Wannaweep when he saved the day? This sequence is a clear portrayal by the director/producers of Ron and Kim as a couple- we all know the scene from Spiderman the movie. [image missing] What Ron says is "that is so not cool to do to a superhero" after Kim pulls the mask all the way off. but the look on his face in this picture suggests that he was expecting something that is cool to do to a superhero.... [image missing] Look at that smile- eyes closed in what, anticipation? (actually it's a blink, but he's still smiling) also, at the convention center, when Kim is knocked out by the stink spray, does she begin to wake up as Ron is swinging her to safty? check out the look on her face as she is 'saved' by Ron... here she is out cold- [image missing] then as Ron gently puts her on the ground- [images missing] now I'm sure that the animators/director would have been perfectly capable of giving her a blank look or have her mouth hanging open still, but they chose this instead. Could it be that not only is Ron excited to be the hero, but maybe Kim is enjoying being saved as well? At the end, Ron finally gets that look that he remembered from before: [image missing] and there's no need to analyze this:  [probably similar image substituted] Ron wanted to be the hero and "save the beautiful girl and win her affections" and he did it with spectacular results. also interesting is that Kim takes about 3 seconds to notice that Ron is hiding some kind of secret from her. Not only that but she invites Ron over to watch cable. Kim doesn't generally show interest in watching TV, and she certainly didn't seem interested in watching Laugh-Riot with the tweebs. « Last Edit: Jul 6, 2005, 12:11am by Carbon » ————————————————
|
|
|
|
Post by cloudmonet on Mar 27, 2006 22:20:22 GMT -5
Porphyria_Kris
Blue Fox
****
Joined: Jul 2005
Gender: Female
Posts: 588
Location: Alabama
« Reply #319 on Jul 6, 2005, 12:37am »
Excellent analysis of the episode so far! I feel I have very little to add that would be pertinent.
I love the subtext in this episode because it IS more obvious than in others. Granted, the whole point of the superhero bit is to be over the top and, because of that, they had to heighten the romance aspect a bit, even if it is mostly hinting and a spoofing.
————————————————
final note about Motor Ed
J2
Guest
« Reply #320 on Jul 6, 2005, 3:44am »
One final note about Motor Ed. A discussion about Ron not picking up signals is something I've noticed about young boys who don't have fathers in their lives. I'm not saying Ron's father was bad, but he wasn't around enough for Ron's liking. As we later see in ASIT, Ron creates a big imaginary friend as a father figure. Ron obviously spent more time with women, and began to pick up on the more feminine traits that we've seen much throughout the show. (Ron's expert love of cooking, for example.) So when Kim, Tara, Yori, and any other female is giving Ron signals or hints, he becomes oblivious. He fails to capture "the typical male behavior" that some women crave. Unfortunately, Kim is one of them. When Kim is talking to Felix, she yelling, "Hey boyfriend! I'm talking to a guy and you need to be jealous!" Ron tunes her out and continues to play Whack The Mole. Kim's friendly view of Felix is short lived. And later, she's watching Ron play video games with him. She realizes she doesn't need a jealous boyfriend. She's has a guy who can see people in ways she can't. Hence, the gaze and the smile.
On to The Fearless Ferret. I won't cover much here yet. But I will use my knowledge of dream analysis to cover the opening. A note about dreams: Dreams are a part of the subconscious brain that we hide from ourselves and others. Hopes, fears, wishes, desires, stresses, and anxieties are "bottled up" when we are awake. When we sleep, those emotions are freed and tell us what we really think about ourselves and the world around us. For example, if Mr. Possible had a dream about nuclear war, he's afraid that his rockets could be used for destruction instead of scientific research. Most dreams involve sexual symbolism. (Who hasn't had a dream about water?) But Ron's dream is straight-forward.
The dream takes place in a hospital: Ron fell asleep in the hospital. The sights and sounds all around are influencing his dream.
Rufus and the pencil: This is Ron's view of Rufus as an overachiever. Rufus does help Ron; but sometimes can go too far.
Mrs. Possible thanking Ron for volunteering with the Sunshine Spreaders: Ron is trying to gain her approval. The more good deeds he performs, the more she will like him. This shows Ron values her opinion of him to the highest degree. He also shows Mrs. Possible at times being the most important person influencing him. This will fluctuate between her, and the other two women of his life: Kim and his mother.
Ron comment about helping people: Ron likes to help people. Whether it's volunteering at the hospital, or saving the world.
Kim rushed into the emergency room: Ron is worried that the time will come when he's too busy to help Kim with a mission. He's worried that he may not always be there to help her. This leads to the next part. Ron is afraid that a mission may hurt or kill Kim. It could be too much for her to handle. Ron secretly hopes that she will stop for her own safety.
Goofy-face disease: A highly contagious, incurable, and vile disease is too much for Ron's mind to handle. He is able to face it by making it humorous.
Man offers his brain: This is Ron hoping that if he can't help Kim in her time of greatest need, there will be somebody or something that will be there instead.
Everyone get the disease except Ron: This is Ron's fear that he may be put into a crisis and will have to handle it by himself. Ironically, he turns around and gives himself enough confidence to see things through. He subconsciously knows he can do anything.
Ron does the operation on Kim: This is Ron telling himself that in any sitch, he will always put Kim above everyone else. Even Mrs. Possible and Rufus will have to wait until later.
Twist off head: This is a parody of The Man With Two Brains starring Steve Martin. Ron watched the movie in his youth. Again, he's using humor to guise the turmoil of performing brain surgery by himself.
Kim wakes up and thanks him: Ron is attracted to the damsel in distress. Here, he sees the way to Kim's heart is to save her life. She, in turn, will be grateful. Ron definitely wants to be the hero of her life. He's also telling himself that he's developed feelings for Kim beyond friendship.
That's about it for the dream sequence. There's a lot there for roughly ninety seconds worth. One final observation about The Fearless Ferret. Notice Ron's hands when he picks Kim up near the end. He's supporting her by her *ahem* bottom. It's not on purpose. Ron's too busy and distracted to notice; and Kim is unconscious. But I laugh whenever I see it. And we made a big deal about Ron's thumb in Monkey Ninjas In Space.
————————————————
|
|
|
|
Post by cloudmonet on Mar 27, 2006 22:21:58 GMT -5
Sydney Yellow Trout ** Joined: Jun 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 61 « Reply #321 on Jul 6, 2005, 3:52am » Sorry- I know you guys are on FF now, so I'll try to catch up to that soon, but I'd say you guys have definitely covered it well so far. Who couldn't love this episode? But anyways, last post backtrack to motor ed.[re Felix’s eyes] Jul 5, 2005, 10:41am, campy wrote: “Did you mean to say only male character? I believe that would be correct.” Jul 5, 2005, 12:47pm, Carbon wrote: “Senor Senior Jr. and Shego also have those type of eyes, among others.” Right! Thanks guys, I'd forgotten about SSJ and I did mean to say only male character. And here's a slightly less scary looking Felix picture Forlong-  And thanks cloudmonet! Hm...maybe I'd been reading Kim's signs as more flirtish than baby-eagle, especially with that whole printing out the wheelchair accessible entrances...I still think there might have been a little something there, though- Here's right after his sudden rescue of her, helping her up after she landed in his lap. img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/poprocks/gotcha.jpgI mean, sure, she's surprised at first- I'm sure landing in someone's lap is a little awkward any time. Between most non-dating people. Kim and Ron topple over eachother regularly but there's not much made of it, because, well, "he's RON", and its just usually a regular consequence of whatever action's happening in the mission. But anyways, look, Felix is helping her up, and she doesn't seem quite so shocked anymore...like she didn't half mind being saved by this guy. Then she puts her hand on him and says, can't complain, I've got great backup...  I guess we can't really say what Kim is thinking. But still, she's putting her hand on this guy she's known, what, two days? And like Carbon said, in the end it doesn't really end up mattering whether there was or not, because, even as he probably realized in observing Kim and Ron at the fair, in the wind tunnel, and otherwise, you can't really chip into that Possible-Stoppable team. There's just some things you're never really going to get. Felix: *as Ron gets himself all giddy about bueno nacho* Does he always lose his focus like this?  He can't believe it. They're going to go tackle some villian, and Ron is hip-hopping around over mexican food? Kim's amused eyeroll answers this for him. Note that Motor Ed refers to Ron as "your skinny dude." Just thought that was funny. And then, in the end with Felix, I guess it was finally seeing him succeed in an arena she was more familiar with (instead of video games, car stuff, etc) that finally got her over the whole weirdness thing overall. Ron: *thinking* She finally came around.  Someone mentioned that when Kim was doing the "come on" to Ron at the fair, she was trying, in a way, to show Ron how, in her mind, someone ought to act around him. But what's great about the episode is that, yes, Ron knows that Kim's whole view on the thing is flawed, and he knows that, but he shows by doing. He acts like he doesn't understand what Kim means in the least when she suggests that they go on the slower rides, when yes, of course he does, he wants her to realize on her own that he's got it right...to calm down. Kim gets "amped up" because she's Kim, has to save everyone, feels bad in this case when she can't, while Ron just takes things how they are and in the end teaches her something. He's never patronizing about it, even when they do talk about it in the space center. And we're once again shown how constantly reciprocated their friendship is. He consoles her- ![]() img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/poprocks/nah.jpgAnd she saves him via grappling hook when necessary.  (Side note- doesn't that look like his expression after the mistletoe?) And these two things can be switched around, too- she's very supportive of him too at times, and as we see in the next episode, he can step into hero role just as well as he can when he's needed. And...some other random caps I wanted to share too, even though I'm sure you guys are capped out. Here we have Kim after Ron's reset comment.  And an extremely pissy Ron...wow. I don't know, but does his expression there just seem a lot more intense than usual?  Now who wants to tackle a fanfic on this one? (KIDDING.)- ———————————————— |
|
|
|
Post by cloudmonet on Mar 27, 2006 22:24:40 GMT -5
AgHorizonFilm Sidekick's Sidekick ***** Joined: Jun 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 2,011 Location: Michigan « Reply #322 on Jul 6, 2005, 9:23am » Nice analysis there. Wish I was around to give my input, but I'll catch up. ———————————————— Aers Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 313 « Reply #323 on Jul 6, 2005, 9:38am » excellent analysis on FF - what makes this one of my fav eps is that Ron steps up to the plate when he needs to and shows that he's got the inner strength to do what Kim does - but she takes it for granted while he has to conquer his fear of failure to do so. I must admit one of my fav romantic scenes is the "rescue" of Kim off of the beams at the end - the way Ron twirls that darned grapple gun is just too cute! and, of course, the tender way he places her on the ground... *swoons* ———————————————— cloudmonet Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 748 Location: area 101, northern california « Reply #324 on Jul 6, 2005, 2:02pm » I knew I should've watched "Fearless Ferret" last night, even though I was expecting more "Motor Ed" to trickle in, as indeed has been the case. You guys can't wait for this one, can you? I'll start by focusing on Kim, since no one else has done this yet. Contra Carbon above, she watches TV with Ron at her house a lot.  Okay, this is a season 3 image, but I've seen similar poses in season 2 and occasionally season 1. This is something they do fairly often, I think, by the time of "Fearless Ferret." Her family has cable, and that huge screen, and she knows Ron likes to do this, and she shows every sign of liking to do it with him, even when he wants to watch something she doesn't like. But my main observation is, Kim keeps Ron on a pretty tight leash. If he's spending evenings with Timothy North, or going to South America with Yori, or doing anything else Kim doesn't understand, she'll go mission-mode to find out what he's up to. What she finds this time is something strange and comical, Ron trying to be a real-life Batman. He is, predictably, not terribly good at it. North's gadgets are confusing and often of dubious utility (what's the ferret tail supposed to be for?), and Ron's personality is so not like North's conception of the Ferret. Ron thinks being the Fearless Ferret is cool, but still wants to be Kim's partner. North won't want to let him do this, unless maybe Kim wants to be Ferret Girl. Kim thinks the whole idea of being a masked and anonymous crime fighter is whacked. A secret agent she's not. So we have the strange spectacle of Kim Possible and Ron the Ferret independently investigating the same crimes at the same time. Once Kim knows what Ron's doing, she's willing to let him do it, rolling her eyes when required. Next wrinkle: the tweebs are watching the Fearless Ferret on TV Trash. North was never a real crimefighter, just an actor on a cheesy show with outrageous production errors. Kim rushes back to North's place. Is Ron's Fearless Ferret any less real? No, he's actually on the streets trying to fight crime. But his mentor, North, doesn't really know what he's doing, and may be guiding Ron into danger. Plus, it's a major embarrassment. Of course, irony being what it is, it's just when Ron realizes his mentor is fake that the danger becomes real. Well, sort of. Does an exploding skunk baloon filled with essense of onions and dirty socks really harm anyone? It can knock you unconscious for awhile, which is bad if you're up on the catwalks like Kim, and maybe if you have certain medical problems. So Kim's taken out of the action by something very like her own knockout gas formula, and moved safely to the ground by Ron, who heroically struggles that balloon outside before it pops. Note that Ron uses Kim's grappling hook gun (a device he understands), not a ferret gadget.  And Kim hugs Ron. We've seen her react this way to Ron at least twice before, in "Sink or Swim," where she gushes about his defeat of Gill before putting him back in his place as number 2, and in "Kimitation Nation," when Ron saves her with his jetpack, then breaks his wing on a building and goes into a spin. This time, just a hug, as if Kim's Lois Lane and Ron's Superman. Well, there are moments (usually crushing moments) when Kim can be an extremely "girlish" girl (can't think of a better term for it). Maybe Ron's rescue put her in that mood. Or maybe she wants to do everything she can to make sure he's still her partner. ------- And a brief look at the state of the story arc, if there is one here. These five episodes after Zita, "Naked Genius" through "Fearless Ferret" Kim and Ron seem very close, acting more like a couple than a pair of buddies. Next comes "Golden Years" and "Job Unfair." Internal evidence puts "Job Unfair" before "Golden Years." Either way, "Golden Years" is an anomaly, as I raved on and on about above, because after this, there's "Queen Bebe" and "Car Trouble," with Kim and Ron acting much like we see them here. I guess they have their ups and downs. ———————————————— Carbon Blue Fox **** Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 682 « Reply #325 on Jul 6, 2005, 6:31pm » true but there are at least a couple of times when she is annoyed by watching TV (all the news, pain king, dimension twist) either way she was definitely more ineterested in watching with Ron then with her brothers, which was more my point. She seemed mildly annoyed by "TV trash heap" then turns around and invites Ron to check out the new channels with her. ———————————————— aliciamartin Sidekick's Sidekick ***** Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,588 ]« Reply #326 on Jul 6, 2005, 7:01pm » i sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo loved those pics up top there sooooooooooooooooooo sweet  ———————————————— Cid Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 890 Location: uk warrington « Reply #327 on Jul 6, 2005, 7:10pm » Yes they’re, well, sweet on them all /Cid ———————————————— aliciamartin Sidekick's Sidekick ***** Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,588 « Reply #328 on Jul 6, 2005, 7:15pm » couldn't agree more Cid ———————————————— KR FOREVER Blue Fox **** Joined: Jun 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 304 Location: missouri or beside ron! « Reply #329 on Jul 6, 2005, 7:18pm » OH YA! ———————————————— [end of page 22] |
|
|
|
Post by cloudmonet on Mar 27, 2006 22:53:26 GMT -5
Reevaluation of K/R feelings (Season 2) page 23
Fearless Ferret continued. Cached by Google on Aug 15, 2005 16:17:28 GMT. (Read 14,639 times) ———————————————— GnuHopper Guest « Reply #330 on Jul 6, 2005, 8:58pm » Cloudmonet wrote: Sorry if I stepped on any toes by jumping on to "Fearless Ferret" -- I certainly didn't mean to discourage discussion of "Motor Ed" (or any other episode). Just been dyin' to use that Giles quote I guess. I've also noticed a number of scenes where Ron is at the Possible house watching TV with the tweebs (they even mention in "FF" they're expecting Ron to come watch TV Trash Heap with them). Just one more example of how Ron is pretty much one of the family. True enough, but this can also be seen as evidence of Kim being overprotective of Ron, not quite being willing to admit he can take care of himself (usually). Part of Ron's motivation here is to get Kim to see him as more capable, although how he'll do that and maintain a secret identity is something I don't think Ron has thought out. Good call on why the FF identity doesn't fit Ron too well. The same applies to the "Agent Ron" persona of "Job UnFair" -- both roles saddle Ron with a lot of gadgetry he can't handle and often doesn't work. He'll do better as a low-tech ninja in "Exchange" -- but we'll discuss that when we get there. While there appear to be superheroes in Kim's world (per "Go Team Go"), they don't seem to enjoy much status. I occassionally wonder if Kim and Ron share the same dimension with "The Incredibles", with superheroes mostly outlawed and/or wiped out. Food for fanfic, I guess... Kim has gotten a bit better at humoring Ron's stranger pursuits since "Bueno Nacho" or "Attack of the Killer Bebes" -- there was a time when she would've been a lot more snide about the whole business. One thing that I always found curious about this episode: Ron, when he finds the Ferret Hole, seems to recognize the Fearless Ferret as a real crimefighter, but eventually we learn he was just a tv character. So why did Ron think he was the real thing? Well, let's not forget the rancid diapers as well. (As to whether the giant exploding stink bomb is actually dangerous or not, personally I'd prefer finding out after getting rid of the darn thing. ) Since I didn't mention it before, it's the way Ron carries Kim and eases her to the floor that sent so many fans to going "Hmmmmm...". Makes an interesting contrast with how North absently drops her later when distracted by his fans. Eh, I prefer to compare them to Mary Jane Watson and Peter Parker. Just a matter of taste. It's as Drakken will one day say, her weakness is "boys boys boys!" On those occassions when Ron manages to impress Kim -- especially here -- she gets as mushy as she ever does around boys she finds attractive. It just won't be until the end of "STD" that her head finally recognizes what her heart has been telling her all along. Just as you see these eps as an arc developing their relationship, I see "Ferret" as a watershed moment for the series. From this point on Ron (with a bit of backsliding) will continue to develop more and more into his own man, and as he does Kim's feelings will become more and more apparent. But she's walking a fine line, praising him on one hand and trying to "keep him on a short leash" on the other. I blame it on Kim's heart vs mind dichotomy, the problem that dogs her relationship with Ron throughout the whole series: her head says he's just a friend, immature, bottom of the food chain yadda yadda -- but her heart wants what it wants. The hug at the end of "FF" is one of those times we see the heart calling the shots. GH ————————————————
|
|
|
|
Post by cloudmonet on Mar 27, 2006 22:59:32 GMT -5
KR FOREVER Blue Fox **** Joined: Jun 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 304 Location: missouri or beside ron! « Reply #331 on Jul 6, 2005, 10:11pm » WOW  That is a GRATE way of anilizing it! On saying: “I blame it on Kim's heart vs mind dichotomy, the problem that dogs her relationship with Ron throughout the whole series: her head says he's just a friend, immature, bottom of the food chain yadda yadda -- but her heart wants what it wants. The hug at the end of "FF" is one of those times we see the heart calling the shots.” NICE! ———————————————— Forlong Blue Fox **** Joined: Mar 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 1,225 Location: Kalamazoo « Reply #332 on Jul 6, 2005, 10:43pm » All I have to add is the convo between Mr. North and Kim. Kim constantly tried to change the subject to Ron's safety. Huge hint, messa thinks. ———————————————— KR FOREVER Blue Fox **** Joined: Jun 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 304 Location: missouri or beside ron! « Reply #333 on Jul 6, 2005, 11:26pm » I would too!! Oh...I like Ron the way Kim does so... YA! you got a point! ———————————————— cloudmonet Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 738 Location: area 101, northern california « Reply #334 on Jul 7, 2005, 12:53am » A couple things I noticed, watching "Fearless Ferret" just now... Ron was totally unfamiliar with the Ferret before coming to Timothy North's house. The news clippings looked real, the props actually worked. Why wouldn't Ron believe the Ferret was real? The TV program was old and obscure. Kim's hug at the end wasn't a spontaneous response to being rescued. First she and Ron discuss how the Ferret Fest and "Ronshine" improved North's outlook, then Ron remarks, "The hero thing, it's what I do," paraphrasing one of Kim's own slogans. Usually she doesn't like it when he does this. This time she says "Way to go, hero," and hugs him. I think in this case her head and heart are agreeing. ———————————————— AgHorizonFilm Sidekick's Sidekick ***** Joined: Jun 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 1,940 Location: Michigan « Reply #335 on Jul 7, 2005, 10:09am » For once they finally are agreeing, and the whole moment was very cute, and gave great hopes to Ron and Kim. ———————————————— |
|
|
|
Post by cloudmonet on Mar 27, 2006 23:01:45 GMT -5
MtnRon Blue Fox **** Joined: Apr 2004 Gender: Male Posts: 1,012 « Reply #336 on Jul 7, 2005, 12:25pm » This is one of my favorite shots from FF. The way Kim is smiling at Ron with her hands behind her back.  ———————————————— aliciamartin Sidekick's Sidekick ***** Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,501 « Reply #337 on Jul 7, 2005, 12:27pm » hey nice pic MtnRon ———————————————— J2 Guest « Reply #338 on Jul 8, 2005, 12:14am » The Fearless Ferret is both a tribute and a parody of the classic Batman TV show. It even goes as far to get Adam West to do a parody of himself. In this episode, we see Ron do two things. 1) Break away from Kim's overshadowing of him. 2) Re-invent himself into an alter ego to find his own inner hero. Let's look for shippy moments. Jim: Where's Ron? He was gonna check out Laugh Riot with us. Kim: Good question. I tried calling. No answer. Two things here. First is how the Possible household feels when Ron is not around. It's strangely uncomfortable. Jim and Tim probably feel that Ron is the older mellow brother they've always wanted. Second is how much Kim and Ron stay in touch. This was covered in Adventures in Rufus-Sitting. Their communication is constant. Next, we have this line. RON: I'm gonna be a superhero! Wait till I tell Kim! This indicates that every major life event is shared by these two. First day of school, holidays, Bueno Nacho opening, ect. Notice that he doesn't say Mom and Dad; it's his best friend who he wants to share the big news with. Next up, this conversation. KIM: So I called you last night. You were out late again. RON: Spreading sunshine. KIM: At night? RON: Mr. North, he's a night person. KIM: What's your secret? Translation: Why weren't you with me last night? And why weren't you at home waiting for me to call? She's knows him all too well. He's hiding something. She then changes the subject enticing him with fifty new cable channels. Ron turns her down to spend time with Mr. North. Kim decides to see what could be more important than spending time with her. And as indicated before, Kim really likes Ron on a short leash. Especially one where she's monitoring him at all times. This is evidenced with these lines. KIM: Wade, are you sure Ron's pager is in this building? WADE: Are you sure it's any of your business? KIM: He's been acting funny. I just want to make sure he's okay. And later . . . WHITE STRIPE: Missy, this is none of your business! KIM: Making it my business, stinky! Kim sees herself as Ron's protector, and that he's helpless without her there. We know that's not really the case. Next up, these lines. KIM: So who are you supposed to be? RON: Just think of me as a friend. KIM: Yeah. No duh . . . Ron! This is the Spiderman parody, and why this is one of everybody's favorite episodes. Did Kim and Ron see the movie and take advantage of the situation? Was the mysterious hero hoping for a kiss at that moment? Probably not. However, he was a bit upset that she knew it was him. Again, this indicates that there are no secrets between them. Even a secret identity is no match for their closeness. Right after that, Ron sprints away; back to his secret lair. And somehow, Kim made it there before he did. And finally, there's this line: KIM: Um, I think it's great you get to be (air quote) ferretty but . . . Again, Kim is being overprotective of her friend. But she allows him the chance to investigate crimes done by White Stripe. She's annoyed, but knows he'll come back to her eventually. However, there's a plot twist at the end. Kim is unconscious and Ron realizes it's up to him to save the convention center from stinky disaster. Just like in his dream, he becomes unbound to his fears and fills that void with the utmost "I know I can" attitude. After saving the day, the hero is rewarded with admiration from his girl. But something else occurs. Kim begins to realize that Ron can survive without her. She doesn't need to babysit him anymore. She still wants him around. But she doesn't run off to Japan in Exchange just to make sure Her Ron is okay. Nor does she feel the need to check up on him every five minutes when he's in the Amazon jungle in Blush. One final thought . . . When I posted that Ron was holding Kim and supporting her with his hands in a questionable area, I expected to see plenty of screencaps the following morning. Everyone surprised me when I didn't see any. To everyone's credit on this forum, it appears we're more mature than I previously thought. Congratulations! —————————————— |
|
|
|
Post by cloudmonet on Mar 27, 2006 23:02:32 GMT -5
cloudmonet Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 738 Location: area 101, northern california « Reply #339 on Jul 8, 2005, 12:44am » What? Wait a minute! No way! I'm not mature, I'm just older. Is it hotter than the zero-G embrace from "Monkey Ninjas in Space"? Must... find... screencaps... Seriously, though, excellent analysis. Kim usually doesn't mind Ron being missing if she knows what he's doing, as in "Blush" and "Exchange." It's those unknown and unexplained absences that bother her, as late as "Dimension Twist" and "Gorilla Fist." ———————————————— AgHorizonFilm Sidekick's Sidekick ***** Joined: Jun 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 1,940 Location: Michigan « Reply #340 on Jul 8, 2005, 9:11am » Who says you can't still be young in spirit. ———————————————— cloudmonet Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 738 Location: area 101, northern california « Reply #341 on Jul 8, 2005, 12:38pm » Okay, I found it, she's sorta shlumped over and he's kind of holding her by the butt. He has one free arm and no choice, really. Any other hold and she'd be unbalanced, not what you'd want coming off high beams. She's unconscious or nearly so, and to my eyes it doesn't look sensual at all, and believe me, I'm usually good at finding these things. ———————————————— Forlong Blue Fox **** Joined: Mar 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 1,225 Location: Kalamazoo « Reply #342 on Jul 8, 2005, 6:03pm » Jul 7, 2005, 12:25pm, MtnRon wrote: This is one of my favorite shots from FF. The way Kim is smiling at Ron with her hands behind her back. And you can see that Ron hates that he's lying to Kim. ———————————————— Forlong Blue Fox **** Joined: Mar 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 1,225 Location: Kalamazoo « Reply #343 on Jul 8, 2005, 6:26pm » Anyone think we're ready to move on to Queen Bebe yet? ———————————————— Potential Boy Blue Fox **** Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 230 « Reply #344 on Jul 8, 2005, 6:27pm » *raises hand* Yup. ———————————————— [end of page 23] |
|
|
|
Post by cloudmonet on Mar 27, 2006 23:23:08 GMT -5
Reevaluation of K/R feelings (Season 2) page=24
Cached by Google on Aug 13, 2005 18:03:40 GMT. (Read 14,158 times)
————————————————
Queen Bebe
Forlong
Blue Fox
****
Joined: Mar 2005
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,225
Location: Kalamazoo
« Reply #345 on Jul 8, 2005, 6:48pm »
Okay.
This is the thirteenth season 2 episode in production. Ironicly, the thirteenth episode in season 1 also featured a dance, The Spirit Week Dance.
The major differance is that, for whatever reason, Josh is absent in this episode. It seems that Kim and Ron were going to The Mad Dog Ball together, as always.
They seem to be flurty. Kim inocently calling Ron an "univolved slothe", and Ron grabbing Kim's cheeks to show her how to say, "no". (PICS PLEASE!)
————————————————
Potential Boy
Blue Fox
****
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 229
« Reply #346 on Jul 8, 2005, 6:56pm »
pics! here we go! ;D
[image missing]
RON: "You could just say 'NO'. Come on, say it with me..."
[image missing]
RON: [continued] "NOOOOOOOO....."
[image missing]
Kim is being forced by Ron, you is trying to move her lips, into saying 'NO' with him...
————————————————
|
|
|
|
Post by cloudmonet on Mar 27, 2006 23:24:26 GMT -5
cloudmonet Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 721 Location: area 101, northern california « Reply #347 on Jul 8, 2005, 11:33pm » If "Fearless Ferret" and "Job Unfair" show Ron stepping up and trying to be a hero, "Queen Bebe" shows Kim trying to be a superhero. What if the girl who can do anything could do everything? At the beginning of this episode, that's what Kim is trying to do. She's made more extracurricular and community service commitments than she can possibly manage, even without a mission, and of course, there's a mission. Manufacturing equipment is being stolen by Bebe robots moving at hyperspeed. Wade has the answer, a pair of red shoes (in Kim's size) that will enable her to move as fast as the robots. Only one problem-- the shoes don't come off very easily. Meanwhile, Rufus snatches the miniature pair of red shoes worn by the experimental rat. So Kim puts them on, cleans the park and decorates the gym, carrying Ron with her. She tells him it's sweet that he's concerned about Wade's warnings. Eventually Kim's moving so fast that time seems to stand still. When the helicopter taking her to the Bebe's hive island seems to freeze, she hops out and runs on the ocean. She does need Rufus's help to vanquish the Bebes and free Bonnie. It's interesting, seeing a little ways into Bonnie's mind as she talks to Ron about her frustrations with the sitch. Somehow Kim gets Ron and Bonnie to the dance, but she and Rufus keep overshooting, and end up dancing at the Statue of Liberty. Kim pretty much did everything herself, but at the cost of being isolated from Ron, the dance, whatever might have been fun. I think this dance is the only time we see Ron in a regular suit, as opposed to a tuxedo. If Josh had anything to do with the planning of this dance, Kim's total reluctance to let Bonnie do anything (even with Kim so overloaded) would make more sense, but Josh is nowhere to be seen. Kim just really doesn't want to let Bonnie have any position of responsibility at all, even when Kim can't do it (without hyperspeed). No wonder Bonnie dislikes her so much. Kim and Ron? They're pretty much moving at different speeds throughout this episode, and the difference becomes exaggerated by the shoes. To Kim, Ron becomes immobile. I don't know how busy Kim usually is. The last time we saw her anything like this was "Mind Games," when Ron, in her body, was overwhelmed by a bunch of her commitments. Is she supposed to be pretty busy with this stuff, or is she as we usually see her, hanging out with Ron at Bueno Nacho or with pizza and popcorn in her living room? If she was doing more relaxing with Ron after this episode, I could say it made some difference, but I don't think I see a pattern. This little cautionary tale seems isolated within the saga. « Last Edit: Jul 8, 2005, 11:37pm by cloudmonet » ———————————————— cloudmonet Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 721 Location: area 101, northern california « Reply #348 on Jul 9, 2005, 1:42pm » Part two, the visual aides. Sorry I didn't have these yesterday. For an episode where Kim and Ron are kind of separated by a reality gap, there really are quite a few shippy looking moments. Here they are, bored in class watching a film about bees, the whole parallel body language thing I discussed I think for "Car Trouble," next in production order but possibly immediately before this one in Kim's life, if we're to trust Ron's remark about the "Ghost Car" film.  And here's a similar bit of shoulder rubbing:  Kim and Ron at Wade's rat lab:  And I was wrong about Ron wearing a suit to the dance. It's a plain colored shirt with a necktie. While I'm thinking about the dance, Big Mike puts in a rare appearance, possible his last, dancing with Hope and Tara sitting on his shoulders.  ———————————————— |
|
|
|
Post by cloudmonet on Mar 27, 2006 23:27:17 GMT -5
Kryptocow Blue Fox **** Joined: Apr 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 396 « Reply #349 on Jul 9, 2005, 2:53pm » Jul 9, 2005, 1:42pm, cloudmonet wrote: Kim and Ron at Wade's rat lab: To go with that:   Kim has that look that I can only describe as 'You're cute when you're stupid' that seems to be happening more often. (Like in So The Drama, where Ron opens up the KO-lip gloss, Kim smiles at him for a second, then closes the container and once he's conscious again, she makes a sarcastic comment to cover it up. Buuut we're not there yet.) That's really all I got from the episode, except that Ron seems to be telling Kim to take it easier, maybe as a result of being in her body in Mind Games? ———————————————— JuPMod Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 317 Location: New Jersey « Reply #350 on Jul 9, 2005, 5:13pm » ^ More likely to make Kim slow down from taking so many extracircum activities. The girl certainly is doing *too* much. I agree with Ron that she have to learn to say 'No!' She likes to help people, and that part of her is dragging her down given people are taking advantage of her kindness. As for "Queen Bebe", I like some of the K/R moments in it. Like the park where Ron tried to teach KP to say "No". The rat lab where we have those nice Kim smiling shots (Thanks, Kryptocow!  . I like the ending where Kim and Rufus couldn't slow down enough to get to the dance. They kept ending up on either side of the continental USA. They dance together under the Statue of Liberty. On the topic of Kim's attire, is that dress she wore for the Spirit Dance the same one she wore for the wedding reception in "Bad Boy"? Sure looks like it. ———————————————— KR FOREVER Blue Fox **** member is offline [avatar] Oh YA!! Joined: Jun 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 298 Location: missouri or beside ron! « Reply #353 on Jul 9, 2005, 9:08pm » Agen I say: "THIS IS A CARTOON!" The do what they want! Its not real! Jul 8, 2005, 6:56pm, Potential Boy wrote: Ok 1 thing....That pic looks like Ron is going to kiss Kim! ;D I know! ;D ———————————————— J2 Guest « Reply #356 on Jul 10, 2005, 4:15am » Queen Bebe is one of the few episodes to show Kim's immaturity. Once again armed with the slogan, "she can do anything," we see Kim trying to hard to outdo herself and others; especially Bonnie. Shippy moments are few in this episode. The moment Kim begins moving at hyperspeed, her time with Ron is at two different intervals. In fact, from the time when Kim and Ron are on the helicopter, Ron finds that any assistance he can give is so minimal, it doesn't matter. And worse, the two become separated as a team. The result is nearly disasterous. The show ends with Kim caught in hyperspeed, leaving us to wonder how she got out of it. Let's move on to shippy moments. RON: Kim, Kim, Kim . . . Maybe it's time to cut back on the 'currics. And later . . . KIM: If I could just cover more ground faster. RON: Or you could just learn to say no. Translation: Slow down, and we could spend more time together. He knows she is heavily burdened with school work, home work, cheerleader practice, and saving the world. Does she really need all of this and more work to do? Of course not. Ron is being the caring friend that he always is. And it's breaking him to see her stressed out. She's so overburden that even the two of them together can't get it all done. Ron's comments are not meant to say they should date. Instead, he's trying to make her see that she shouldn't be one to do everything. Next are these lines. RON: Uh KP, you're wearing the super shoes. KIM: And you think I shouldn't be taking the risk. That's sweet. Watch Kim carefully when she says this line. This is not a shippy moment. Her eyes betray her at this moment. She's actually saying, "Thanks Ron. But you shouldn't worry about me." Ron hears differently. He suddenly gets the idea that Kim is trying to tell him something. So he quickly changes the subject. RON: Actually, I was thinking you could zip out to St. Louis for ribs. There's very little Ron can do from this moment on. He watches as the world around him changes due to Kim and the bebes. He finds he's the one who has to deal with Bonnie. And the dance feels a bit strange without Kim there to enjoy the show. Does Kim learn her lesson? Does she take Ron's advise and slow down a little? Well, she never again is bothered by a huge workload from school. Oh Boyz, Bad Boy, and Dimension Twist shows Kim watching television. And it seems that she begins spending more and more time with friends and family. Perhaps it was a few days before she got the shoes off, and by that time was really missing interaction with everyone besides Rufus. ———————————————— |
|
|
|
Post by cloudmonet on Mar 27, 2006 23:29:40 GMT -5
cloudmonet Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 721 Location: area 101, northern california « Reply #357 on Jul 10, 2005, 11:59am »  Kim: And you think I shouldn't be taking the risk. That's sweet. *Cloudmonet clears throat* Not shippy? Really? Looks sorta shippy to me, at least by season two standards. Don't you think it's a bit curious that when Kim doesn't need Ron's help at all for any of the tasks she's doing, cleaning the park, decorating the gym, fighting the Bebes, she's still wants Ron to be with her, and to be impressed by her. If there's no other way for him to keep up, she'll even carry him.  Other than claiming it's not-shippy, though, I agree with all your points. ———————————————— J2 Guest « Reply #358 on Jul 10, 2005, 2:01pm » When I first saw "that's sweet" moment, I thought it was too. But unfortunately, watch her eyes again. She looks up and over. This is similar to the look she gives her father in Car Trouble. She's kinda lying to Ron about how she feels about him. ———————————————— AgHorizonFilm Sidekick's Sidekick ***** Joined: Jun 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 1,911 Location: Michigan « Reply #359 on Jul 10, 2005, 4:06pm » Cute pic. ———————————————— [end of page 24] |
|
|
|
Post by cloudmonet on Mar 27, 2006 23:47:45 GMT -5
Reevaluation of K/R feelings (Season 2) Page 25 Cached by Google Aug 11, 2005, 5:02am (Read 13,761 times) ———————————————— KR FOREVER Blue Fox **** oined: Jun 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 288 Location: missouri or beside ron! « Reply #360 on Jul 10, 2005, 4:39pm » I know this is off subjekt but I always wondered why Ron asked her to go out to St. Louis to get ribs? I mean why St. Louis? ———————————————— cloudmonet Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 711 Location: area 101, northern california « Reply #361 on Jul 10, 2005, 4:46pm » And this is a lie, exactly how? She doesn't think it's sweet for Ron to be concerned? He hasn't even expressed an opinion about it. She's guessing what his opinion is, thanking him for his concern, and telling him not to worry. She's told Ron (and other people) that something similar they expressed was sweet before. It's kind of a normal Kim response. It's unusual for her to respond to something Ron hasn't said yet, but I think that's the shoes making her mind race ahead of Ron's actual dialog. When she anticipates him this way, he responds with a joke. New thought about the meaning of this looking similar to "Car Trouble." Maybe it's not lying that these two moments have in common, but rather, Kim thinking, "I'm in control, don't worry about me." This would apply to both the red shoes and robot car. « Last Edit: Jul 10, 2005, 4:49pm by cloudmonet » ———————————————— Carbon Blue Fox **** Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 682 « Reply #364 on Jul 11, 2005, 3:00am » We do see a lot of Ron being there for Kim- He stalls the decoration committee, which he isn't even on, apparently. When Kim can't find people for the park cleanup, Ron and Rufus are there. and later on, he's there before school, before Kim even gets there. Really not that big of a deal right? except before he wasn't even willing to do his half of a science project. is time with Kim becoming more valueable to him? "look at me!" ———————————————— Forlong Blue Fox **** Joined: Mar 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 1,225 Location: Kalamazoo « Reply #366 on Jul 11, 2005, 10:02am » I just about think we've sapped Queen Bebe for all it's worth. What say we move on to Go Team Go? ———————————————— cloudmonet Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 711 Location: area 101, northern california « Reply #367 on Jul 11, 2005, 11:45am » I just watched "Go Team Go" a couple days ago, when I screencapped "Queen Bebe," but this morning I'm feeling fuzzyheaded. I'll be back. ———————————————— AgHorizonFilm Sidekick's Sidekick ***** Joined: Jun 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 1,871 Location: Michigan « Reply #368 on Jul 11, 2005, 11:47am » Feeling a little ill? ————————————————
|
|
|
|
Post by cloudmonet on Mar 27, 2006 23:48:49 GMT -5
Go Team Go!cloudmonet Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 711 Location: area 101, northern california « Reply #369 on Jul 11, 2005, 1:38pm » Nah, just needed to refresh my memory, well, and it's early for me. I'm having fellings of deja vu. Kim's a superhero and Ron's reduced to relative insignificance again! This time it's accidental. Ron and Kim are in Go City, checking out the brand new grande-sized Bueno Nacho. "I can't believe I cashed in a favor for this," Kim says, but seems amused at Ron being awestruck by a restaurant.  A strange villain with a giant condor attacks the restaurant, and Kim immediately responds. So does the Bueno Nacho manager, who ducks behind the counter and reemerges as a masked superhero. Evidently Hego's secret identity was no secret from Aviarius, who has a wand that can somehow remove Hego's super strength and reapply it to whoever's holding the wand. Kim gets in the way, and now the super strength and blue glowing hands that go with it are hers. Kim has a bit of trouble with her strength, breaking her locker door and a basketball hoop, then a bit of fun, lifting up the cafeteria counter to get the last slice of pizza, singlehandedly lifting all the other cheerleaders, pushing an illegally parked car. Kim's loving this, like she loved the speedy shoes (at first), but this time there's no bad side effects (like being unable to slow down).  But now Kim, with Hego's power, has to fight Hego's enemy. We meet his younger brother Mego, also stripped of power, and see Wego and Wego, captives of Aviarius. Their missing sister is Drakken's assistant, Shego. So we see a stunned Shego facing her good-guy brothers and a superstrong Kim who's just torn a hole in Drakken's "haunted" island lair. Shego apparently has considerable respect for Hego's blue power. She doesn't even try to fight Kim. In fact, the name Aviarius seems to rowse something in her. Does Shego rejoin her brothers, and Kim, because she recognizes that Aviarius will come after her next, and if she tries to fight him alone, she'll probably lose? Something like this seems probable. It explains her choices fairly well. If Ron can't do anything else, he'll entertain with jokes (has she always been this cranky) and encourage the others (we have the power of imagination). But for most of the battle in Aviarius's lair, he's using Kim's entrance tunnel as a foxhole. But then, after Kim and Shego lose their powers, Ron has his moment, distracting Aviarius with monkey kung-fu shouts and a Rufus bite, just long enough for Kim to kick the power wand from the villain's hand, only to have the worst possible result-- Shego catches it and reverts to form. In a shower of sparkles she takes all the powers for herself and launches an all out assault on Kim. The Go brothers, unused to fighting without their powers, do nothing. Notice, Shego didn't have any trouble fighting without hers, which is how she won. Ron pops out of his hole and offers to be the distraction again. "It'll take a colossal distraction," says Kim, and cue the colossal distraction, Drakken in a giant flying robot, summoned by Wade to assist. Kim kicks the wand out of Shego's hand, this time it breaks, everyone gets their own powers back, and Shego tells Drakken to make a hasty getaway. This episode tells us a few interesting things about Drakken and Shego: 1) Shego lives in Drakken's lair. 2) She doesn't share her secrets with him. 3) Drakken cares enough about Shego to mount a spectacular effort to rescue her when she believes she's in danger. 4) Drakken and Shego have some sort of rivalry about who's more evil. We'll see more of this later. I wonder why didn't Drakken ever use that robot to try to conquer the world? I also wonder why both Kim and Drakken think Shego subconsciously wanted Kim to kick the wand from her hand, and restore her brothers' powers. The distraction was colossal, this isn't the first or last time Shego's been surprised by a sudden move from Kim. (and sometimes she's surprised Kim this way, too) Kim and Ron? We get to see (again) why Kim wants Ron along on her missions. Even when his contributions are small, it's often just the edge Kim needs. As a couple or potential couple? Nothing new, and less of it than Queen Bebe or Car Trouble. No hugs, no shoulder touches from Kim. As for Ron, notice that now when he gets reduced to a minor role, he doesn't complain at all. He'll do whatever he can, whenever he can, eagerly and cheerfully. We've come a long way from "The Ron Factor" and season one. « Last Edit: Jul 11, 2005, 1:43pm by cloudmonet » ————————————————
|
|
So maybe I'm totally off, but either way it shouldn't come as any surprise to Kim that he's not falling all over her feet the moment she puts on her "Oh Ro-on" show.
That is a GRATE way of anilizing it! On saying:
.