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Post by spectre666 on Jul 10, 2006 16:09:55 GMT -5
I'm actually not too familiar with 18th century America - I'm thinking pilgrams/cowboys for some reason don't worry, you dont even live in america, but depending on when in american history you are talking about, pligrims and coy boys work just fine Pilgrims and cowboys? They are only separated by about a hundred and fifty years.
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Post by spectre666 on Jul 10, 2006 16:19:43 GMT -5
Well the Europe WWII has a million possibilities in itself. It could be Battle of the Bulge, Battle of Britain, Black Thursday, D-Day Omaha/Utah, Stalingrad, Casserine Pass... I could go on with that one. For a few of you in here, why the hell would Kim and Ron stop Sherman's march to Atlanta? For one, being a northerner that is one really bad idea and more ideolegy that the south hasn't let go. The south was by far the worst when it came to dealing with POWs and Slaves for that matter, so in no way shape or form would they ever help the south. Ever, it goes against all their morals, that being said I can't see them being on the North side because of the similar ruthlessness they had towards the south. (Shermans march was to show the families of the south just what they had brought on themselves as what he did was completely justifiable in a time of war. He was also the one who coined the phrase 'War is Hell') And thus ends my rather lengthly rant. Let's see, in the South the population at large was slowly starving. The soldiers were fighting on half rations a large percentage of the time. In the North the populace was well fed and not under attack. In spite of few rations, the South tried to feed their prisoners. In the North in the POW camps, a 60-70% fatality rate due to overcrowding, malnutrition and disease. I don't think either side had anything to be proud of in their treatment of POWs, but in the South at least the ability to help wasn't there. In the North, the neglect was intentional. After all, weren't they "rebels" and traitors? As to Sherman's march, Lee could have done the same thing when he went through Maryland and Pensylvania, what would your feelings be about a "Lee's March"?
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Post by dieter on Jul 11, 2006 8:23:09 GMT -5
Spectre666 has a good point. I'm more of a Rev War buff, but off the top of my head, the only instance I can think of where a force of Confederates went all out with pillaging and rampant destruction, would be "Captain" William Quantrill's raid on Lawrence, Kansas in 1863 (and his men weren't even associated with the Confederate military.) There's another plot idea. Missouri and Kansas were an entirely different story during the Civil War.
The South had their own idea of honor and chivalry, and were bound by tradition. The North was a mix of Irishmen, Germans, Poles, free blacks, etc. But it's not like the CSA couldn't be unethical. The movie "Glory" was a lot of Hollywood, but the scene at the end where Col. Shaw is tossed into the mass grave is accurate. Battery Wagner's defenders thought that an officer who would degrade himself by leading blacks, had forfeited his status.
All right. I'm done talking history for now. But on the bright side, if someone ever threatens your life by asking you to describe the authenticity of Edward Zwick's "Glory", and promises to end it if you can't answer in a satisfactory manner, you now have a foundation from which to BS your way to survival (and hopefully some quick police intervention.)
And yes, that entire final paragraph was completely unnecessary.
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Post by captainkodak1 on Jul 11, 2006 12:26:30 GMT -5
The Revolution and the Civil War are a go for the series.
I have not picked the exact time for each period but still thinking. I had picked Andersonville just out of the air. It always seems that Kim is the one in trouble and I wanted a scene where Ron would be having trouble. I did not want them in a full battle, rather mixed in the aftermath. Ron sent to Andersonville after dropping into the remains of a battle would fit the storyline. Kim would have to work to get him free. Working on that. Ya'll keep posting I'm getting good ideas each time. Thanks.
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Post by PossibleKim on Jul 12, 2006 3:51:32 GMT -5
Let see,
We will see Kim as an ace reporter who help to solve crime and Ron work as police just like in Rewritting history
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Post by Ezbok58a on Jul 12, 2006 22:59:01 GMT -5
Let's see, in the South the population at large was slowly starving. The soldiers were fighting on half rations a large percentage of the time. In the North the populace was well fed and not under attack. In spite of few rations, the South tried to feed their prisoners. In the North in the POW camps, a 60-70% fatality rate due to overcrowding, malnutrition and disease. I don't think either side had anything to be proud of in their treatment of POWs, but in the South at least the ability to help wasn't there. In the North, the neglect was intentional. After all, weren't they "rebels" and traitors? As to Sherman's march, Lee could have done the same thing when he went through Maryland and Pensylvania, what would your feelings be about a "Lee's March"? You haven't read many Civil War books have you? (not meant to be flaming) Sherman's whole reasoning was to teach the southerners a lesson. You suceed from the US, the US is going to make you pay. It forced those left in his wake to question wether succeding was actually a good idea or not. I know the northern POW camps were horrible, but don't forget that when this war broke out that the US's best general went to the South's aid (Lee) leaving the North without a compotent commander (which they didn't get till Grant and Sherman) so intelligent leaders were not plentiful in the North. There were some Norther POW camps that tried to take care of the prisoners, but the bean counters were more focused on more tech to kill southerners than keeping the captured one's alive.
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Post by yvj on Oct 4, 2007 15:27:49 GMT -5
Well in Cap N Drakken kind of dealt with something similar.
*Necrobumping because of boredom*
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Post by dimaggiofan on Oct 7, 2007 20:29:00 GMT -5
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Post by cadmus on Oct 8, 2007 1:55:22 GMT -5
I know on ASiT when they traveled in time, but what would they do if they went all the way back? Didn't they kind of go back to the 1800's in Cap'n Drakken? Sadly I wish I had forgotten about that episode.
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Post by mrmatt on Oct 10, 2007 20:44:15 GMT -5
Actually, the Union had an equivalant to Andersonville...it was the one in Chicago, I can't remember it's name. Fact of them matter is, the Union POW camps were little better than the South. The reason that's never brought up is because history is written by the winners. Oh please don't start that crap. If history regarding the Civil War had been completely written by the winners the Lost Cause myth would not exist. You are quite correct about Civil War POW Prisons, from Libby to Johnsons Island, Andersonville to Camp Douglas, they were all hell on earth. As for Sherman's march it was nessisary, and not nearly as terrible as some historians have made it out to be. I recommend, Nothing But Victory by Steven Woodworth for more on this topic. Also guys just because it keeps being brought up, the Salem Witch Trials were in 1692, not the 1800's.
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Post by ninjanaco on Oct 11, 2007 17:37:05 GMT -5
As for the Civil War, I lean toward the Union side (IMO, the South made have fought to defend secession, but seceded to protect slavery) but I know the Union Army had its bad side.
Well, I make this post because the discussion reminded me of a KP AU Civil War plot bunny I had, involving James T. Possible as the commander of a Union Army regiment and Slim as the commander of a Confederate unit (Given his accent and ranching expertise, I'm thinking Texas cavalry) - the whole "Brother vs. Brother" thing; Slim, however, would be under the command of a certain Gen. Lipsky (or, as the general himself prefers, Gen. Drakken) who, while nominally under the Confederacy, ultimately doesn't have the best interests of the South in mind...
Dunno if that will help. Just a plot bunny thingy of mine...
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Post by mrmatt on Oct 11, 2007 20:24:30 GMT -5
Why not, sounds like it could be interesting. Put it in Kansas or Kentucky or Missouri, these states had the best examples of true brother on brother or other close relations fighting. Western Virginia and Eastern Tennessee were also rife with this.
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Post by clayton on Oct 27, 2007 14:11:32 GMT -5
Um... anyone else remember when they ended up on "That 1870's" show in Dimension twist?
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Post by Firelady Nemo on Oct 27, 2007 14:14:23 GMT -5
lol motor ed would be there like freakin out
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Post by mrmatt on Oct 27, 2007 20:05:59 GMT -5
Um... anyone else remember when they ended up on "That 1870's" show in Dimension twist? I think it was "That's 1700's Show" actually. It would make more sense if it was anyway. By 1870 most people weren't that worried about witchcraft.
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Post by Guru Mandi (will return) on Oct 27, 2007 20:35:30 GMT -5
It was actually "That 1670's Show" 1800's... an interesting time, nonetheless. I'd love to see them there, with the poofy dresses and weird mustaches ;D
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Post by mrmatt on Oct 28, 2007 17:10:29 GMT -5
See 1670's makes sense, good catch Nemofangirl. Gotta remember hoop skirts were only for those who could afford them and weren't worn all the time, though hollywood would like us to think otherwise.
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Post by cadmus on Nov 2, 2007 1:47:14 GMT -5
I know on ASiT when they traveled in time, but what would they do if they went all the way back? Sadly they did, in the episode Cap'n Drakken. An episode I've tried block from my mind ever since it aired.
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Post by captainkodak1 on Nov 2, 2007 11:51:55 GMT -5
When it came to Tunnel Vision I only went back as far as the Civil War. Kim did end up wearing a hoop skirt in that one, much to the pain in her nose. I had planned taking them as far back as the Salem Witch Trials but stopped. I do have ideas for a sequel to Tunnel where Kim and Ron are chasing Drakken and Shego through time. That would be a good time to land in Salem. Those folks would really freak to see the four of them just drop in.
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Post by rd on Nov 2, 2007 12:02:10 GMT -5
Hey, if you guys want to read a really great KP story, Cap DID write what I consider the quintissential time travel story, "Tunnel Vision" www.fanfiction.net/s/3025668/1/Tunnel_VisionIt's a GREAT tale, and well worth reading... well, ALL of Caps' stuff is well worth reading, IMHO, but this one is a wild ride indeed! Enjoy, but be careful... You might wind up learning something of history, LOL! RD
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