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Post by azzie on Jun 22, 2005 21:35:23 GMT -5
[glow=blue,2,300]This bothers me very much. Ron's parents never really seem to be around much or acknowledge what's happening in his life. I was curious if anyone else thinks that Ron's parents are oblivious to him. Cloudmonet, taechunsa, anybody else who's good with observation, it would be cool to get your take on this.[/glow]
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Post by Carbon on Jun 22, 2005 21:42:29 GMT -5
It does seem like they are a little bit more slack in thier relationship. Partially I think it is for comic relief (ie- they don't tell Ron they are moving, the just sell the house) and partially I think it's because we just don't approach that subject much in the show, since it's called "Kim Possible" and not "Ron Stoppable"
now that would be a cool spinoff, lol.
anyway, they seemed plenty supportive in "Ron the Man" but in "Mother's Day", Ron wants to spend the day with his Mother, and she has him clean the garage instead. (comic relief)
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Post by cloudmonet on Jun 22, 2005 22:10:55 GMT -5
Short answer: apparently, yes, they are oblivious. Ron spends most of his time at Bueno Nacho or Kim's house. How would they learn anything? Do they even want to? We've never seen them talk with Ron about going on missions with Kim. In "Emotion Sickness," Ron's talking to... Mr. Barkin? In "So the Drama," he's talking to Rufus. "Ron the Man" was the last time we see him with his family in a positive sort of way. Their behavior in "A Sitch in Time" was particularly callous, though the smashing of the time monkey puts this back into the realm of hypothetical. Where were they in "So the Drama," other than providing Ron (offstage) with a used but unworn blue tuxedo?
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Post by dracko19 on Jun 22, 2005 22:31:41 GMT -5
Keep in mind there are many things we do NOT see in KP. KP apparently babysat quite a bit, though we never saw any of that. Mrs. Dr. P wears one outfit (except in Twin Factor when they went fishing) and operates on the same guy everytime (ever notice that?) I'm sure she has other outfits and does other things.
It is clear though that Ron and his parents are no where near as close as Kp and Mr and Mrs. Possible are. The obvious example is Ron Millionaire. No kid on the planet who suddendly came into 99 Million dollars would be able to keep his parents out of the loop and callously lose all of it.
It's a cartoon show. Its not perfect reality. Go with the flow and it will be much easier on your brain. I think we waaaaay over analyze things in this forum. Reality doesn't always apply in cartoons. (Ask Zede to explain to you where Middleton really is for a good example)
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Post by zoza on Jun 22, 2005 22:37:55 GMT -5
Short answer: apparently, yes, they are oblivious. Ron spends most of his time at Bueno Nacho or Kim's house. How would they learn anything? Do they even want to? We've never seen them talk with Ron about going on missions with Kim. In "Emotion Sickness," Ron's talking to... Mr. Barkin? In "So the Drama," he's talking to Rufus. "Ron the Man" was the last time we see him with his family in a positive sort of way. Their behavior in "A Sitch in Time" was particularly callous, though the smashing of the time monkey puts this back into the realm of hypothetical. Where were they in "So the Drama," other than providing Ron (offstage) with a used but unworn blue tuxedo? I think Ron's parents are inconsistant. His mother wasn't very nice to him on Mother's day either, and remember when Mrs Stoppable let Ron get squished by Barkin when they were sleeping on the couch in 'Bonding'. But then Ron's dad was really, really nice to him in 'Ron the Man'. That was the only time. But he was a very good dad in that episode. I think what happened in ASiT counts - would Ron's parents have made a different decision if they weren't being set up by Shego? Would they have acted differntly? I don't think so. Overall I think Ron's dad care's more about Ron than his mother does.
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Post by j on Jun 23, 2005 0:02:51 GMT -5
There could be a number of reasons why they seem dense on Ron's personal life. Perhaps they work late, or have busy work schedules. Or perhaps Ron considers them normal and boring. My theory is that Ron is never around long enough except to change clothes and sleep. Afterall, Ron doesn't have any siblings and it he didn't get cable until the third season. So Ron can go over to Kim's house and hang out. There he can watch tv with Kim, help her babysit, play games with the tweebs, relax on the patio, get tutored for math, and so forth.
Ron is obviously very comfortable with Kim's parents. He sings along with them in Downhill and The Golden Years (not to mention taking a trip with them to Florida). He's excited about the junior booster's club in Monkey Ninjas In Space (and not just for the free cookies). They allow him to stay at their house while he and Kim get over their colds in Sick Day. I could go on. Ron feels like one of the family.
In some regards, Ron may feel that Mr. and Mrs. Possible to be a greater influence on him than his own parents. He, in a way, adopts the Possible family as his own. Tragically, this would come to a crashing stop in Emotion Sickness. Ron suddenly finds himself not as the welcome substitute son as he always expected, but the new boyfriend. They now expect things from Ron that he never had to deal with before, like Kim's happiness when she's with him.
This doesn't mean that Ron has any love lost for his real parents. Ron would be devestated if something were to happen to either of them. But if Ron needs something physically or emotionally, and his real parents aren't around to help, or if it's something he feels they can't deal with, Ron knows who to turn to.
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Post by cloudmonet on Jun 23, 2005 1:43:58 GMT -5
I'm not sure "Emotion Sickness" made that much difference in his relations with the elder Possibles. In "Bad Boy," he's back in their house, watching "Agony County" with Kim, and in "So the Drama" they're his substitute family again. Don't know if this will change now that Ron's Kim's boyfriend for real. Mrs. Possible clearly wants Ron to be Kim's boyfriend, probably thinks the "fam to Ron talk" in Emotion Sickness contributed to scaring him off, and won't let this happen again. But really, "We want Kim to be happy"?! That's not a terribly difficult charge to lay on one's daughter's boyfriend. Ron's substitute family.
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Post by j on Jun 23, 2005 3:01:17 GMT -5
Thanks, Cloudmonet. I should have mentioned it was temporary.
"We want Kim to be happy."
Every boyfriend wants that. But Ron was stressed that he just decided to break up with Kim that night. The last thing he wanted Mr. Possible to see was Kim running through the streets crying her eyes out.
"No! Come back!" he yells. "You're dad's gonna put me in a black hole!"
He believed it! And why shouldn't he? He's already been to the orbital space station!
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Post by Aers (That Writer Chick) on Jun 23, 2005 6:59:34 GMT -5
don't forget that it's very likely that Kim clued the parental units in on the entire Moodulator thang and how she was under the influence... and thanks to the tweebs, got crushing on Ron. of course, she could have trashed the school instead, so it's not exactly a Bad Thing... Drs' P. probably went back to seeing Ron as part of their family after discovering it was not exactly a voluntary thing... tho I have no doubt that Dad is keeping a very close eye on Ron now that there's actual dating going on. as for Ron's parents... well, they seem to be typical disconnected parents. They don't seem to care about his marks, move to another country and avoid telling him until after the first day of school and seem to not even congradulate him when he helps save the world. bah, humbug. says me.
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Post by calisc on Jun 23, 2005 8:24:30 GMT -5
We dont really see that much of Rons parents, so i dont think we can judge.. but his dad is an Actuary and studying to be one, i know how busy/demanding it is. We were pretty much told a in our first year, "if you want a life, change courses" ... sad thing is im not even kidding. ;[
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Post by JuPMod on Jun 23, 2005 19:19:58 GMT -5
I'm with Calisc. We don't have enough info to properly judge Ron's 'rents that they are bad, etc. His dad seems okay in "ASiT" and his mom seems pretty nice. They do provided for him (he *is* living with them, right?), so they do care.
I do agree that Ron's Naco money wouldn't have passed their eyes in "Ron the Millioniare". Seems silly that they don't know their son have all this money. I'm only guessing they perhaps allowed him to do what he wishes with the money, thinking he would be responsible enough to know what to do. I think at the end of "Ron the Millioniare", they would have regretted not telling Ron how to invest the money wisely. If Ron ever get a second bonus (if Bueno Nacho survives after "StD" that is), I'm sure his 'rents would tell him to invest it wisely.
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Post by azzie on Jun 23, 2005 19:54:33 GMT -5
[glow=blue,2,300]I might have been unclear in my question, I'm not sure. I'm not doubting that Ron's parents care about him, It's just they remind me of a more sane version of Timmy Turner's parents in the Fairly Oddparents, they care, their just always too busy for their only kid.[/glow]
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Post by GnuHopper on Jun 23, 2005 20:00:29 GMT -5
Exploring Ron's parents and their relationship with their son is one of the more regrettable loose ends of the "Kim Possible" series. Virtually every other member of the extended cast plus all Kim's family members (some of whom appeared only once or twice) were allowed to take part in an adventure and grab the spotlight, but usually Mr. and Mrs. Stoppable were more conspicuous by their absence than anything else -- when we're at the Stoppable house in "Dimension Twist" and "Gorilla Fist" or a Stoppable family wedding in "Bad Boys" they're nowhere to be seen.
If by some miracle "Kim Possible" were ever to return for a fourth season (hey, if "Family Guy" can do it...) my wish list would include the Stoppables getting their turn to tag along on a mission.
Hey, a guy can dream can't he?
GH
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Post by cloudmonet on Jun 23, 2005 22:31:18 GMT -5
I think the reason we don't see much of Ron's parents is that Ron, for whatever reason, doesn't hang out with them much or tell them much. The one clue I can think of as to why this is happens in "Ron the Man" when Mr. Stoppable wants to give Ron advice on manhood, and Ron tells Rufus to take notes-- possibly Ron knows what his parents would advise, doesn't agree with it, and doesn't want to hear it again. (You should hear my son mouthing my advice, word for word, as I'm saying it.) In other words, Ron's parents may be oblivious because he doesn't communicate with them.
It's curious that we don't see more of whatever kind of relationship Ron has with his parents. Other than "Ron the Man," "Mother's Day," and "A Sitch in Time," we just don't see them at all. But from what I have seen of them, I cannot imagine them with Kim and Ron on a mission.
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Post by j on Jun 23, 2005 22:42:48 GMT -5
There are lots of loose family ends throughout the series. We see Joss and Slim Possible, not not Slim's wife. Are they divorced or separated? We see Sean, Ron's little cousin, but where are his parents? What about Larry's family? Are they from the Possible side of the family, or is cousin Larry from Mrs. Possible's side of the family? We saw Nana Possible, but not even a picture of her husband. Did he pass away? And what about Ron's grandparents?! They're not even mentioned in the series!
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Post by cloudmonet on Jun 23, 2005 23:29:25 GMT -5
Yeah, but Ron's parents are people who you'd think would come up naturally pretty often, and they don't. Slim's wife seems missing, maybe divorced or dead. Kim's paternal grandfather is probably dead, but we don't know. The absence of a picture is curious. Larry's mom is named June, but we don't see her. Probably a Mrs. Possible relative, sister or sister-in-law. We don't see Kim's maternal grandparents either.
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Post by taechunsa on Jun 24, 2005 1:52:19 GMT -5
First, I am flattered that I was mentioned on this question. ;D I am going to keep this short. It is 1:30 in the morning. I have gotten very little sleep and my daughter has her first birthday party tomorrow. (Note to anyone listening. Never try to remodel a kitchen just before a family get together. We must have been insane! ) One possibility that we have not really thought of is that Ron doesn't live particularly close to Kim, school, Beuno Nacho, or the rest of Middleton. I grew up on a farm about eleven miles from the town that I went to school in. When I was in high school I practically lived at my grandparent's house becuase it was in town and close to everything. When I started dating my wife I practically lived at her house. About the only thing that I did at home was sleep. I rarely even made it home to eat. However, my parents were not oblivious. I spent an evening or two at home and spent time at home working on the weekends. My parents and I had a very decent relationship, we just didn't spend a lot of time together. Now, to bring this back on topic. I agree that we really don't know enough about Ron's parents from the series to really judge what is going on, but in a lot of ways I see Ron acting in the series how I acted as a teenager. I spent most of my time other places. So, in closing, no I really don't think that the series demonstrates that Ron's parents are oblivious. They are just not a large part of his life (time-wise) at this moment. Their behavior in "A Sitch in Time" was particularly callous, I have to agree with this one. That was very harsh. Keep in mind there are many things we do NOT see in KP. Absolutely. This is a major point of any show. There are only 22 minutes in each episode and only 65 episodes in about a 2-2.5 year run (show time). This means that out of approximately 2 years of the character's lives we see about 24 hours There is a lot that happens off screen. The obvious example is Ron Millionaire. No kid on the planet who suddendly came into 99 Million dollars would be able to keep his parents out of the loop and callously lose all of it. There are sooooo many issues wrong with that episode. From the way that Ron gets the money, to how his parent's are not involved despite the fact that he is a minor, from the sheer physical impossibility of it. It's a cartoon show. Its not perfect reality. Go with the flow and it will be much easier on your brain. I think we waaaaay over analyze things in this forum. Reality doesn't always apply in cartoons. Reality seldom ever applies to any television show. Even "reality" tv is far from reality. This is not simply the domain of animated entertainment. However, as a sign of good entertainment we as viewers are invested in the show and wish to delve into the show more. We ask questions and conjecture about meanings. To me this is the sign of a good show. A show that doesn't make the viewer think is for the most part just fluff (which is actually worth watching at times) or worthless. So I enjoy, welcome, and actually encourage this. Even knowing that it isn't reality and that in all honest there is not an actual answer. (Just becuase there is no actual answer to where Middleton is doesn't mean it wasn't fun and worthwhile to discuss. ) Well, so much for short. I am going to bed. Have fun.
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Post by ronkstoppable on Jun 24, 2005 6:09:22 GMT -5
Mr. and Mrs. Stoppable aren't exactly oblivious, that's for certain. Though Ron does seem more able to relate to Kim's parents, and who wouldn't want to pal around with a brain surgeon and rocket scientist? Certainly beats being an "actuary", whatever one of those is. Afterall, Ron doesn't have any siblings At least, none that we publicly know about...
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Post by calisc on Jun 24, 2005 6:45:49 GMT -5
Actually Acturies are quite smart (but boring).. Moreso then a brain surgeon or rocket scientist i think..
But anyway, I always assumed Joss's mother had passed away, i dont know why.. As for larry i thought he was a possible because kims dad is the one who speaks about larry but then it does make sense if hes not a possible (moreso probably)... All the possibles except Joss (maybe her mum named her, and left her with slim?) that we've met rhyme with im (Kim Tim Jim Tim and Slim).. so im not sure..
As for ron living far away i doubt it, they walk to his house in ASIT so he cant live that far away...
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Post by taechunsa on Jun 24, 2005 8:22:49 GMT -5
Actually Acturies are quite smart (but boring).. Moreso then a brain surgeon or rocket scientist i think.. That is a very loaded statement. Are you saying that acturies are more boring or smarter? ;D As for ron living far away i doubt it, they walk to his house in ASIT so he cant live that far away... I kind of doubt it also. However, it is a possibility. It is also not a requirement for Ron just simply spending more time other places.
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