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Post by jinxs on Sept 14, 2007 14:55:42 GMT -5
hope you dracko noticed : "Kim and Ron’s relationship will be solid, no soap opera, no breaking up and getting back together. Comedy will come from the relationship and the reactions of others. Kim and Ron are meant to stay together forever, so sayeth Mark, and Bob noddeth assent. Kim’s Dad is unconcerned about the relationship. Ron’s parents, they joked, will be relieved. Rufus will not be jealous of Kim." seems quite obvious still to me, well if that aint enough we could ask it again... but I understand your point also
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Post by AvinashTyagi on Sept 14, 2007 15:00:22 GMT -5
Yeah I think its the "lets still be friends" route for Kim and Ron, you know that couple that amicably divorces but are still good friends.
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Post by slicknickshady on Sept 14, 2007 15:00:45 GMT -5
"Kim and Ron’s relationship will be solid, no soap opera, no breaking up and getting back together. Comedy will come from the relationship and the reactions of others. Kim and Ron are meant to stay together forever, so sayeth Mark, and Bob noddeth assent. Kim’s Dad is unconcerned about the relationship. Ron’s parents, they joked, will be relieved. Rufus will not be jealous of Kim."well if that aint enough we could ask it again... In the context of the question I don't know why they would say that if it was anything other then them being a couple forever. Also they said there would be no Soap like drama in season 4 or love triangles. I don't know why that would have changed if there was a season 5. That's just my view. If you would like you could ask it again. I don't know why it would need to be though. It seems pretty obvious.
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Post by yvj on Sept 14, 2007 16:06:20 GMT -5
There is a very large difference between being "together" and being "a couple". I have no doubts that Kim and Ron will know each other and be at least friends forever. As for a relationship, marriage, little kimmie/ronnies, etc. That hasn't been declared. You could try and "interpet" what was said as "alluding" to a couple forever, but I think at best its an assumption. If they had a chance to keep the story going, I'm sure some love triangles or such would make for some good drama lines. My point is, be careful about slamming home the "canon" card here cuz its still a bit vague. LOL That is such masterful diplomacy I guess they should have gone with a flash forward and shown Kim and Ron dying at the same time, in each others arms, at the age of ninety surrounded by their grandchildren, before things stopped being "vague." for some people.
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Post by waterfall on Sept 14, 2007 16:08:49 GMT -5
K/R is a couple that is intended to last as long as they live. But I have a question. There are many posts here that says: "K/R is forever. They`re eternal lovers. Hell will freeze before they break up". Looks like you are competing at finding the most epic description. But the ones who state this, are usually members with K/R written all over their avatars and signatures.
What if I wrote: "Norway is the greatest country on earth. We are the happiest people on earth, and this land is the prettiest place on earth". But what if my avatar was the norwegian flag, and my signature read: "A die hard norwegian patriote". What would be your first thought then? Wouldn`t you think that my statement would be a little biased?
No, Kim and Ron won`t break up, but don`t you think your K/R statements are considered a little biased when there is K/R love written all over your avatars and signatures.
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Post by Luke Danger on Sept 14, 2007 16:12:57 GMT -5
waterfall has a point, I don't put K/R on my sig and avatar, and I try to avoid bias. Now, if we look into the personality (sorry KiGo fans, but I need this example) of Kim and Ron, they won't break up. This is the same arguement that was between KiGo and K/R before the mods put their (well timed) stamp on it. So, in the end, it may wind up a war of biasness, which, (look at WWII) *DAMM YOU HITLER!* never is preety.
So, let's use FACTS, not biasness, in our arguements. now, a little here and there is fine, but doing some of the K/R avatars, as in the ones that rip it hard, that's over doing it, but somthing the Commander Argus's multible screencap avatars, those are fine. (in my oppinion)
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Post by yvj on Sept 14, 2007 16:14:40 GMT -5
K/R is a couple that is intended to last as long as they live. But I have a question. There are many posts here that says: "K/R is forever. They`re eternal lovers. Hell will freeze before they break up". Looks like you are competing at finding the most epic description. But the ones who state this, are usually members with K/R written all over their avatars and signatures. What if I wrote: "Norway is the greatest country on earth. We are the happiest people on earth, and this land is the prettiest place on earth". But what if my avatar was the norwegian flag, and my signature read: "A die hard norwegian patriote". What would be your first thought then? Wouldn`t you think that my statement would be a little biased? No, Kim and Ron won`t break up, but don`t you think your K/R statements are considered a little biased when there is K/R love written all over your avatars and signatures. Yes objectivity is hard to find isn't it? It works both ways. Since many of the people who say K/R may break up are not fond of the couple, do not like either Kim or Ron, and would rather see them as friends with other characters they prefer, for personal reasons or to actually give their ship credence. How about we find the answers in the show? Which whether you like it or not has hammered home K/R. (It's not whether you buy it or not it's how the show has progressed) Even with all the "vagueness" of the finale it had Kim and Ron flying off to the stars together. After Ron clearly expresses his fear of Kim leaving him behind on earth. You can say they will break up, that is your opinion on how relationships should be run or who is compatible with each other, but in the context of the show, it's as "forever"as you can get.
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Post by waterfall on Sept 14, 2007 16:25:01 GMT -5
Yes, objectivity is very hard to find. I can see things from K/R-shippers viewpoint because I ship Simba/Nala. You can`t be biased when you say that K/R is a couple that will last, but I think you can be if you say anything else than K/R is rubbish. And to get it straight, I never disagreed with the statement that they won`t break up. But I have a right to say that I wouldn`t mind.
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Post by yvj on Sept 14, 2007 16:37:40 GMT -5
Yes, objectivity is very hard to find. I can see things from K/R-shippers viewpoint because I ship Simba/Nala. You can`t be biased when you say that K/R is a couple that will last, but I think you can be if you say anything else than K/R is rubbish. And to get it straight, I never disagreed with the statement that they won`t break up. But I have a right to say that I wouldn`t mind. You make good points. It is biased to say other ships are rubbish. But it happens both ways as I'm sure you know. But that's another discussion altogether, we're not talking about tolerance or in the best case scenario respect of other ships. The thing is from what the show has given us. Like in all fiction and literature with romantic tones and couples for example, Elizabeth Bennet and Darcy of Pride and Prejudice. Cathy and Heathcliff from Wuthering Heights. Unless the authors says otherwise at the end it is to be assumed they will be together forever. Oh I have no problem with you saying you wouldn't mind them breaking up. That's far from my issue
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Post by waterfall on Sept 14, 2007 16:44:45 GMT -5
Thank you! You know, this has been one of the most eventful nights for me on this forum for a very long time. Actually, I`m not so sure if I would want them to break up now. I like it when two people belong only to each other, and now it`s obvious who Kim belongs to. It wouldn`t be the same if she broke up with Ron and got together with, (say, Shego ), because she would have a past where she belonged to another person.
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Post by antiyonder on Sept 14, 2007 16:47:19 GMT -5
This is my post on the matter from the previous page. I did add in "married" before couples this time around.
Albeit, my opening paragraph and closing sentence are both pro Ron/Kim, they were meant to be a joke to lighten up this thread.
That said, I do believe my second and third paragraphs though were valid, not biased based, so if you disagree on those points feel free to discuss why.
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Post by slicknickshady on Sept 14, 2007 17:02:58 GMT -5
How about we find the answers in the show? In the context of the show, it's as "forever"as you can get. Unless the authors says otherwise at the end it is to be assumed they will be together forever. I agree. I don't think you can automatically assume that just because people have something in there avatar or sig that they are ignorant and ignore the facts. Just because we are a fan of something does not mean we are biased. I mean it's not like we are saying anything that was not in the show. I find that disrespectful to discount someones opinions based on there avatars or sig. That does not mean we are biased at all if we go by all those things. If we went around making false statements about it then yes I would believe that is being biased. I have yet to see anybody make a flase statement in this thread though. That's my view on the sitch.
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Post by dracko19 on Sept 14, 2007 17:07:39 GMT -5
hope you dracko noticed : "Kim and Ron’s relationship will be solid, no soap opera, no breaking up and getting back together. Comedy will come from the relationship and the reactions of others. Kim and Ron are meant to stay together forever, so sayeth Mark, and Bob noddeth assent. Kim’s Dad is unconcerned about the relationship. Ron’s parents, they joked, will be relieved. Rufus will not be jealous of Kim." seems quite obvious still to me, well if that aint enough we could ask it again... but I understand your point also The bold points you reference above are talking about season 4 and this statement was made prior to the season beginning. As we all saw, it played out exactly as they stated...in season 4. As Slicknick pointed out, if there was a season 5, they may keep it the same...they may not. At the end of season 3, they painted themselves into a corner getting Kim and Ron together. That was supposed to be it. Suddenly, season 4 was approved and they had to paint their way out of it...so they had some fun with the relationship angle and all the disbelief surrounding goofball Ron and Supergirl Kim getting together. Now, if a Season 5 were to be approved and we would "fast forward" a few years (per Steve Loter's desires), we would be looking at an "adult" Kim Possible. (sort of like a Cartoon Alias). When you get into adultland, drama is usually obtained via relationships and the stress on them (soap opera's), so it would figure that there could be some stories about tension on their relationship. We don't really know cuz they haven't planned for a season 5 at this point. My point is, the comment that is quoted was a question posed prior to season 4. If we asked about K/R's relationship going forward from this point in time, we "might" get a different persepective.
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Post by Commander Argus on Sept 14, 2007 17:12:05 GMT -5
It was at the Gargoyles convention, attended by Cloudmonet where they said they would remain a couple - said to reassure those of us who were afraid they would break them up at some point.
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Post by slicknickshady on Sept 14, 2007 17:18:15 GMT -5
Now, if a Season 5 were to be approved and we would "fast forward" a few years (per Steve Loter's desires), we would be looking at an "adult" Kim Possible. (sort of like a Cartoon Alias). When you get into adultland, drama is usually obtained via relationships and the stress on them (soap opera's), so it would figure that there could be some stories about tension on their relationship. We don't really know cuz they haven't planned for a season 5 at this point. It would be on Disney and the shows core viewers are 9-14 year olds. As Bob said in the Graduation Review thread The ending they wanted to use was not used because Disney thought college was to far off for the core viewers. The ending that was cut had Kim and Ron seemingly heading off to different colleges, only to end up at the same one in the last shot, with Ron saying something about taking the long way. It was cut for several reasons. Mostly because the execs thought that college was a little too far out of the world of their core viewers. So with this said I doubt there would be any triangles or angst at all in a 5th season. I think this is the biggest issue the fight for five has going against them. It seems like Disney would not want to do a College based show based on Bob's comments.
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Post by ~K♥R~ on Sept 14, 2007 17:32:16 GMT -5
Well I've read a lot of posts here and I'll just put my thoughts as simple as I can. I admit I seem biased as far as my signature and avatar goes, but I assure you I'm thinking as clearly as I can. They will always be best friends. Nothing will get in their way on that. As the summer goes on and they turn 18, their relationship as best friends would be that of almost fourteen years. That's a long time for a couple kids to be friends. Now, their relationship obvoiusly grew to more during their Junior Prom, we can safely assume they went to senior prom together making their relationship that of a year, and then onto graduation and what not. Assuming they don't break up or anything during the summer, it'd close in to about one and a half years. I know all of this is just numbers, but I have a point. In my eyes, the only way something could come between their boyfriend/girlfriend relationship would be another person or if they went to separate colleges, branched out, met new people and wanted to see what was out there. That'd be the logical reason, but I guess in my opinion, they've tried that during their high school lives already and found that nothing else was as good as what they have together. Being friends before being a couple to me is always the best way to have things. You learn so much about eachother, you learn eachother's habits and everything during your friendship and as it grows into something more, it just makes life a bit easier. It's not like you'd be dating someone exactly like you.. you know how they say "I wish I could meet someone just like me" or "I wish I could meet someone with the same ideals as me" because let's face it; it'd get mundane. Two people as different as Kim and Ron I guess in my eyes are just right because it's like yin and yang.. their Type A and Type B personalities. It really just fits perfectly for them because Ron makes up for Kim's flaws and Kim the same for Ron. Anyway, my point is; do I think they will break up? Honestly from my heart.. no. What they have just seems to perfect. Do I think there would be a chance of a break up? Possibly, because college is a much more different world than that of high school. You aren't protected in College. You don't always have your parents there watching over you or having your best judgement in mind. Most of the time these days it's all on yourselves to decide what's good or not. Honestly though, by watching them through Season 4 and all of the subtle moments they had together, the hardships they go through between missions and what not, I seriously don't see them separating. Best friends for life, a couple for life. It just seems right. I think it's been mentioned before that Kim and Ron would attend the same college. I'm guessing they'd go to Middleton? Or maybe Ron would branch off and go somewhere else with Kim or something, I'm not sure. I'm happy thinking to myself that their love is forever, but I guess that'd be too happy-go-lucky for me, huh? D: Oh well, I certainly hope we get the chance to see how all of this plays out through a "Kim Possible: The College Years" or something like mentioned above. That'd be so awesome. Another quick thought before I wrap this up, I kept reading slicknickshady's signature quote, "You'll always be the one. You were the first, you'll be the last" and it just kinda hits home with me. We've gone through and seen both Ron and Kim's high-school "crushes" and that's what a lot of us went through as kids as well. Finding a soulmate as early as high school is rare, but guys.. it does happen. Maybe it just took a long friendship that Kim and Ron built, and all of the hardships they had to go through with while watching eachother find these different love interests (crushes) to show them that they were just that; crushes and that there may have really been more to their friendship and in this case.. they were right. There was more to their relationship than just being friends and it may have ended up being the best choice of their young lives. Just like Kim said in "Mentor of Our Discontent".. Ron may not be best for life decisions, but as far as making a big decision between himself and Kim, he made the perfect decision. /yawn. I really write way too much when I get on a roll. I'm sure I have grammar mistakes, but it's all the same message. Sorry to anyone who actually reads it all. D:
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Post by yvj on Sept 14, 2007 17:34:32 GMT -5
Well I've read a lot of posts here and I'll just put my thoughts as simple as I can. I admit I seem biased as far as my signature and avatar goes, but I assure you I'm thinking as clearly as I can. They will always be best friends. Nothing will get in their way on that. As the summer goes on and they turn 18, their relationship as best friends would be that of almost fourteen years. That's a long time for a couple kids to be friends. Now, their relationship obvoiusly grew to more during their Junior Prom, we can safely assume they went to senior prom together making their relationship that of a year, and then onto graduation and what not. Assuming they don't break up or anything during the summer, it'd close in to about one and a half years. I know all of this is just numbers, but I have a point. In my eyes, the only way something could come between their boyfriend/girlfriend relationship would be another person or if they went to separate colleges, branched out, met new people and wanted to see what was out there. That'd be the logical reason, but I guess in my opinion, they've tried that during their high school lives already and found that nothing else was as good as what they have together. Being friends before being a couple to me is always the best way to have things. You learn so much about eachother, you learn eachother's habits and everything during your friendship and as it grows into something more, it just makes life a bit easier. It's not like you'd be dating someone exactly like you.. you know how they say "I wish I could meet someone just like me" or "I wish I could meet someone with the same ideals as me" because let's face it; it'd get mundane. Two people as different as Kim and Ron I guess in my eyes are just right because it's like yin and yang.. their Type A and Type B personalities. It really just fits perfectly for them because Ron makes up for Kim's flaws and Kim the same for Ron. Anyway, my point is; do I think they will break up? Honestly from my heart.. no. What they have just seems to perfect. Do I think there would be a chance of a break up? Possibly, because college is a much more different world than that of high school. You aren't protected in College. You don't always have your parents there watching over you or having your best judgement in mind. Most of the time these days it's all on yourselves to decide what's good or not. Honestly though, by watching them through Season 4 and all of the subtle moments they had together, the hardships they go through between missions and what not, I seriously don't see them separating. Best friends for life, a couple for life. It just seems right. I think it's been mentioned before that Kim and Ron would attend the same college. I'm guessing they'd go to Middleton? Or maybe Ron would branch off and go somewhere else with Kim or something, I'm not sure. I'm happy thinking to myself that their love is forever, but I guess that'd be too happy-go-lucky for me, huh? D: Oh well, I certainly hope we get the chance to see how all of this plays out through a "Kim Possible: The College Years" or something like mentioned above. That'd be so awesome. Another quick thought before I wrap this up, I kept reading slicknickshady's signature quote, "You'll always be the one. You were the first, you'll be the last" and it just kinda hits home with me. We've gone through and seen both Ron and Kim's high-school "crushes" and that's what a lot of us went through as kids as well. Finding a soulmate as early as high school is rare, but guys.. it does happen. Maybe it just took a long friendship that Kim and Ron built, and all of the hardships they had to go through with while watching eachother find these different love interests (crushes) to show them that they were just that; crushes and that there may have really been more to their friendship and in this case.. they were right. There was more to their relationship than just being friends and it may have ended up being the best choice of their young lives. Just like Kim said in "Mentor of Our Discontent".. Ron may not be best for life decisions, but as far as making a big decision between himself and Kim, he made the perfect decision. /yawn. I really write way too much when I get on a roll. I'm sure I have grammar mistakes, but it's all the same message. Sorry to anyone who actually reads it all. D: Beautiful post. I couldn't agree more
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Post by ~K♥R~ on Sept 14, 2007 17:37:37 GMT -5
Why thank you. You read all that? Wow. Props to you for sure. D: That's real interesting slicknickshady. That'd have been a good ending to Graduation to me as well, that they'd be heading off to their own colleges, only to end up at the same one just because Ron took the long way and fate brought them together. Love and fate are two of the most powerful forces in the world, afterall.
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Post by slicknickshady on Sept 14, 2007 17:46:34 GMT -5
Why thank you. You read all that? Wow. Props to you for sure. D: That's real interesting slicknickshady. That'd have been a good ending to Graduation to me as well, that they'd be heading off to their own colleges, only to end up at the same one just because Ron took the long way and fate brought them together. Love and fate are two of the most powerful forces in the world, afterall. Yep. Disney just did not want the college ending because of the core viewers.
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Post by ~K♥R~ on Sept 14, 2007 18:00:19 GMT -5
Yeah, I think it stinks.. but if we would have had the college ending, we may not have had that great kiss between them. D: Then again, if we did have the college one, we would've had this great reuniting of them and possibly an even better kiss. So oh well. Both endings seem just fine eithe rway. Wish we could have seen them.
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