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Post by proudnintendofan on May 29, 2007 9:39:45 GMT -5
...as in not deathtrap like, but actually shooting or mercilessly snapping someone's neck or maybe setting off a few explosions which kill a lot of people. Well, I don't see a lot of villians going to that extreme measure.
Drakken: Well... I don't know. This one's a bit hard to say. I mean, I could see him blowing some things up and not caring about killing innocent bystanders maybe. But I don't know if he would actually willingly shoot somebody... Kim, maybe if he had the opportunity and just decided... "Hmm... this IS a rather rare opportunity"
At the beginning of the series, probably... considering this line:
Worker: Geez man! You scared me half to death! Drakken: (smiling) Only half?
Shego: Yes... my friend thinks that Shego would spare someone if they begged for mercy and that is debatable, but I would imagine that Shego would give a fair warning while she was on a job for something: "If you want to live, I suggest you run". If the person doesn't listen, Shego would have no problem killing and wouldn't show remorse.
Or if... Drakken told her to set up some bombs to explode so she could make off with whatever Drakken wants her to steal. Shego probably would just say: "If you want to live... run" and set it off, and if people died, Shego would just say: "Their problem. Not mine."
Monkey Fist: Perhaps... I mean... him I honestly don't know about.
Motor Ed: He doesn't seem to have a problem with running people over.
Senior: No... it seems to me like he's more about the challenge rather than killing.
Of course, we all know the main reason is because this is a comedy so the villians potrayel needs to kept as such but if this show was a little more serious... I wonder what things would be like.
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Post by Rognik on May 29, 2007 11:49:19 GMT -5
Well, Junior has tried or suggested a couple of times that you just kill Kim and Ron directly, but Senior insists that the hero has a chance to escape and defeat the plan. So I say that of all the villains, the one willing to kill are Shego, Monkey Fist and Junior. Adrenna-Lyn also seemed willing to kill, but we didn't see all that much of her.
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Post by DP on May 29, 2007 14:24:32 GMT -5
Drakken: Drakken's all talk. I don't think he could ever kill somebody face to face. Every time he's done something that's endangered peoples' lives he either left the room, lowered the person down into a pit or something, simply wasn't there to see the damage he'd done, or some other thing that would prevent him from actually seeing the person(s) die. I think if he ever had the chance to kill somebody face to face he would realize how awful it is and back down. I make this assumption based on the fact that the only time he was about to see somebody die right in front of his face was in "A Very Possibe Christmas" when Ron was about to get eaten by the polar bear, and Drakken saved him! And this was before the Snowman Hank revelation even!
Shego: It's hard to say. On one hand, she seems like evil incarnate and she seems to really, really enjoy seeing people suffer. But then her comment about the wheelchair or the fish makes me think that she does have ethics. I tend to think she just doesn't like hurting beings that can't defend themselves, like disabled people or animals. But other than that, I think yeah, she could kill somebody one on one. I agree that she would probably give them a chance to escape first.
The other villains, I'd probably say yes to all except Camille. She seems too girly; I can imagine her being squeamish about killing somebody. Of course I haven't watched "Fashion Victim" in a while so correct me if there's something in there that contradicts what I just said.
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Post by Luke Danger on May 29, 2007 14:25:01 GMT -5
Any of the villians are capable of it, if they didn't either :
A) Put aside villian tradition ( I MEAN YOU SSS!)
B) Got the show out of disney (or sent it back to Darkwing Duck's time)
C) Just hired Boba Fett to assassinate Kim and Ron and get it over with.
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Post by beeftony on May 29, 2007 15:12:30 GMT -5
Well, you have to keep in mind that pretty much all the villains are parodies of Bond villains, who would set up elaborate deathtraps as opposed to the direct approach. However, they would still, as Goldfinger put it, "Expect you to die!"
Shego stated in "Job Unfair" that she would rather go with the direct approach, but if you take that statement in context of her other actions, it becomes clear that she means she would rather have a fair fight to the death than just trussing someone up and killing them while they're helpless. However, her comment of, "But, you know Drakken" shows that she's not as devoted to this honor system as she claims. So based on canon, I'd say Shego's willing to kill so long as she doesn't get her hands dirty, which explains the mixer incident in "Two to Tutor" (yes, I have reversed my position on this).
Shego also tends to simply go along with these sort of indirect deaths rather than execute the heroes herself. Note that, with the exception of the mixer, it's always Drakken who thinks up the deathtraps. Shego likes giving people a fighting chance, but this does not mean that she will step in and help unless it's for a darn good reason. Note that both times she's saved Kim, it was when the redhead had a weapon pointed at her. Warmonga's staff and Blackeye's cutlass were not what Shego considered "fair," and so she stepped in to restore the balance. At least with deathtraps Kim has the chance to escape, which is all that Shego needs to give her in order to still maintain her evil reputation.
So would Shego kill? Yes, but not in the way that this thread is asking. Shego doesn't take cheap shots. She's had Kim cornered time and time again, and yet the redhead always gets away. Shego would prefer that Kim, or anyone for that matter, did not die directly from her hand. Why? As I mentioned on another thread, this would bring a ton of unneeded heat down on Shego, since even the worst thieves wouldn't get in as much trouble as a murderer. By killing them indirectly, Shego would only get charged with manslaughter (In some cases anyway. If she pushed Kim into a pit of boiling lava, it would still be murder. But if she were to prove that it wasn't her idea in the first place, then she would get off a lot easier).
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Post by Luke Danger on May 29, 2007 15:30:34 GMT -5
Beeftony, get ready for one of your famous agrument skills... oi I hate it when it happens but, Shego especialy after STD (where Kim allmost killed Shego, to bad she didn't though, woulda saved Kim having to deal with Shego if she becomes the most dangerous one out there) Shego was more of a 'I want to Kill Kim, but I want to do it with warriors' honor' (in other words, she wanted to kill KP with both her own moves, and like a honorible warrior, in this case, her claws) So, Shego is more of a Knightly veiw on finishing Kim off, at least, she got one recently when Kim did that cheapshot on Shego, but hey, Kim thought Shego was in on Erik! so we can't be suprised.
The senate reconizes Beeftony
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Post by clayton on May 29, 2007 15:47:51 GMT -5
Duff has tried it directly. Monkey Fist can punch through granite so we have to assume hand to hand fighting is an attempt to kill in any case. I've seen Drakken kill henchmen... caps.kpfanworld.com/caps/Image701.jpgMotor Ed would run you down in whatever vwehicle he's got Shego: Ask the cable repairman and Barken Seriously, if Rufus wasn't there to save them they'd be long dead.
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Post by beeftony on May 29, 2007 15:54:34 GMT -5
Beeftony, get ready for one of your famous agrument skills... oi I hate it when it happens but, Shego especialy after STD (where Kim allmost killed Shego, to bad she didn't though, woulda saved Kim having to deal with Shego if she becomes the most dangerous one out there) Shego was more of a 'I want to Kill Kim, but I want to do it with warriors' honor' (in other words, she wanted to kill KP with both her own moves, and like a honorible warrior, in this case, her claws) So, Shego is more of a Knightly veiw on finishing Kim off, at least, she got one recently when Kim did that cheapshot on Shego, but hey, Kim thought Shego was in on Erik! so we can't be suprised. The senate reconizes Beeftony It would help if I knew what the hell you just said.
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Post by Luke Danger on May 29, 2007 15:55:26 GMT -5
That Demon has a point, if Rufus wasn't there countless times, they would off been in the ground or a pile of ashes LONG ago...
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Post by yvj on May 29, 2007 15:55:43 GMT -5
Well, you have to keep in mind that pretty much all the villains are parodies of Bond villains, who would set up elaborate deathtraps as opposed to the direct approach. However, they would still, as Goldfinger put it, "Expect you to die!" Shego stated in "Job Unfair" that she would rather go with the direct approach, but if you take that statement in context of her other actions, it becomes clear that she means she would rather have a fair fight to the death than just trussing someone up and killing them while they're helpless. However, her comment of, "But, you know Drakken" shows that she's not as devoted to this honor system as she claims. So based on canon, I'd say Shego's willing to kill so long as she doesn't get her hands dirty, which explains the mixer incident in "Two to Tutor" (yes, I have reversed my position on this). Shego also tends to simply go along with these sort of indirect deaths rather than execute the heroes herself. Note that, with the exception of the mixer, it's always Drakken who thinks up the deathtraps. Shego likes giving people a fighting chance, but this does not mean that she will step in and help unless it's for a darn good reason. Note that both times she's saved Kim, it was when the redhead had a weapon pointed at her. Warmonga's staff and Blackeye's cutlass were not what Shego considered "fair," and so she stepped in to restore the balance. At least with deathtraps Kim has the chance to escape, which is all that Shego needs to give her in order to still maintain her evil reputation. So would Shego kill? Yes, but not in the way that this thread is asking. Shego doesn't take cheap shots. She's had Kim cornered time and time again, and yet the redhead always gets away. Shego would prefer that Kim, or anyone for that matter, did not die directly from her hand. Why? As I mentioned on another thread, this would bring a ton of unneeded heat down on Shego, since even the worst thieves wouldn't get in as much trouble as a murderer. By killing them indirectly, Shego would only get charged with manslaughter (In some cases anyway. If she pushed Kim into a pit of boiling lava, it would still be murder. But if she were to prove that it wasn't her idea in the first place, then she would get off a lot easier). Hmmm this is quite an interesting turn of events. Maybe I can reverse my position on Kigo *Tries*..............*Fails* *sighs in relief*
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Post by beeftony on May 29, 2007 15:56:59 GMT -5
That was just my canon analysis of Shego. I view her quite differently in my fics.
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Post by Luke Danger on May 29, 2007 16:00:18 GMT -5
I was basicly saying that Shego wants to kill Kim honoribly in a up front battle with nothing more then her natural (and her go team glow) abilities.
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Post by yvj on May 29, 2007 16:03:38 GMT -5
That was just my canon analysis of Shego. I view her quite differently in my fics. But of course this I did not doubt for a moment As for the villains killing I go with the James Bond analogy
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Post by beeftony on May 29, 2007 16:03:58 GMT -5
I was basicly saying that Shego wants to kill Kim honoribly in a up front battle with nothing more then her natural (and her go team glow) abilities. Well in that case, I have to disagree. It's my opinion that Shego wants to defeat Kim in a fair fight, but as far as actual killing goes, she doesn't want to get blood on her hands. The only way she'll let Kim die is if it's by a deathtrap. And even then, I wouldn't be surprised if she turned away.
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Post by Luke Danger on May 29, 2007 16:06:27 GMT -5
*shrugs* who knows? The way I interpret it (maybe because of the games I play like Guild Wars) Shego wants to kill Kim for nearly killing her. Simple as that
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Post by beeftony on May 29, 2007 16:26:50 GMT -5
*shrugs* who knows? The way I interpret it (maybe because of the games I play like Guild Wars) Shego wants to kill Kim for nearly killing her. Simple as that But that doesn't explain her killing motives for Seasons 1-3. What did she have against Kim then? The answer, of course, has to do with the Shego's worldview. Shego is of the belief that "nice guys finish last." She had to make too many sacrifices as a hero. I mean, look at Spiderman. Constantly struggling to be both Peter Parker and Spiderman, torn between what he wants and what he knows is the right thing to do. Shego got tired of that, so she quit. Villains get to do all the fun stuff. Kim, and Team Possible in general, challenges this idea. Kim is able to be both famous as a hero and popular as a normal teen. She's head cheerleader, on the honor roll, and she's head of every committee in school. She has it all together, and Shego is insanely jealous of her because of it. And so it becomes clear that Shego does not necessarily want to destroy Kim, but rather what she represents. She hopes that by killing the teenager, just like burning those photos in STG, that the path she chose in life will somehow be justified. Her constant failure to kill Kim is indicative of her inner conflict, which the writers seem to be expanding upon this season. We could see Shego make a change for the better by graduation.
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Post by DP on May 29, 2007 17:24:21 GMT -5
Uh, that guy isn't dead. EDIT: He can't possibly be dead, because if he was it would qualify as an on-screen death which Disney does not allow.
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Post by ViridianSin on May 29, 2007 17:45:13 GMT -5
Drakken- Welll... No. If he was willing to right out kill, Kim would have been dead ages ago. All that "Break her spirit" stuff in Sitch in Time... why not just go back and KILL her as a small, defenceless child? I don't think he'd deliberately kill anyone; He plays the world conqueror part but on the inside he's soft as a cuddle buddy. Course, I could be reading him wrong and he might not have killed Kim yet simply because it just hasn't occurred to him to do so. He's pretty dumb for a smart person, XD. Shego- Murder, no. I don't think she'd be willing to spend the energy required to deliberately go out and hunt some one down to kill them. Accidentally or because someone got in her way? Definitely. Though I have noticed, when ever she blasts a person they're fine afterwords. When she blasts a wall or something, nothing left. Whether that's her being honorable or Disney being skittish, I don't know. Monkey Fist- Strikes me as a little insane. I think he would, if he could. Motor Ed- Run people over, yes. Shoot them or something... I don't know. Senior- Evil is just a hobby for him, really, and he's into being typical comic book by the rules villain, so no, I don't think he'd kill. Junior, on the other hand, might. And no one seems to have any problems maiming the henchmen.
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Post by Ashfangirl20 on May 29, 2007 18:28:58 GMT -5
None of them would kill.
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Post by brendank on May 29, 2007 19:06:44 GMT -5
Not quite, most of them WOULD kill, it's just none of the CAN kill successfully.
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