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Post by Nueva Paz on May 29, 2007 22:07:26 GMT -5
...as in not deathtrap like, but actually shooting or mercilessly snapping someone's neck or maybe setting off a few explosions which kill a lot of people. Well, I don't see a lot of villians going to that extreme measure. I honestly don't think any of the villains would actually kill someone in that manner. Deathtraps are one thing, but none of them are murderers. Even without the Disney filter, I just don't see it. They might express the desire to kill someone, but that doesn't mean they would actually go through with it if given the chance. I could see Shego or Monkey Fist or maybe some of the others beleiving that they would want to kill somebody, maybe even coming close. Like, to where all the have to do is pull the trigger and it's over. But then they'd find they wouldn't actually be able to do it. Or if they did, they'd end up regretting it, even if not at first, I think they would eventually. I don't know why people think Junior would kill. I think he would be squeamish about the idea. He seems like the type who would faint at the sight of blood. He asked his father why he doesn't just kill Kim, but that doesn't mean he would do it himself. He just didn't understand the point of doing things in such a complicated manner. Although if any of the villains were to actually kill someone in a more direct manner, the most likely ones are probably the ones who are more physically violent, like Shego, Monkey Fist, and Killigan (he does shoot exploding golf balls at people, after all).
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Post by yes4possible on May 29, 2007 22:28:01 GMT -5
Of course, we all know the main reason is because this is a comedy so the villians potrayel needs to kept as such but if this show was a little more serious... I wonder what things would be like. Yup, also if these villains killed anyone, these lovable villains become characters you hate, and you want them to die or suffer. Believe me I know, some of you know as well as being a huge KP fan (duh I am here), I am also a fan of Teen Titans and Avatar: The Last Airbender, and some of those villains I hate, and wish them dead because of what they have done, particular Slade and Azula. I even once started a thread on a Avatar message board "1000 ways to punish Azula". If you saw Drakken slaughter a bunch of people, or Shego kill Kim or Ron, they would cross a line, and they are no longer the loveable characters that we all know, but they become thugs who deserve to die and / or tortured.
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Post by senorseniorjunior on May 30, 2007 0:29:19 GMT -5
I don't know why people think Junior would kill. I think he would be squeamish about the idea. He seems like the type who would faint at the sight of blood. He asked his father why he doesn't just kill Kim, but that doesn't mean he would do it himself. He just didn't understand the point of doing things in such a complicated manner. Are you implying that I am not man enough to kill someone? Remember that I nearly killed Kim Possible by flying her into a building. And as for my fears, they do not include the sight of blood any more. It is unbecoming to be afraid of such things.
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Post by beeftony on May 30, 2007 0:39:24 GMT -5
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Post by Nueva Paz on May 30, 2007 1:23:08 GMT -5
I don't know why people think Junior would kill. I think he would be squeamish about the idea. He seems like the type who would faint at the sight of blood. He asked his father why he doesn't just kill Kim, but that doesn't mean he would do it himself. He just didn't understand the point of doing things in such a complicated manner. Are you implying that I am not man enough to kill someone? Remember that I nearly killed Kim Possible by flying her into a building. And as for my fears, they do not include the sight of blood any more. It is unbecoming to be afraid of such things. Since when does killing have anything to do with manliness? Anyway...Gemini. People seem to always assume he kills his henchmen. But I don't see any reason to believe any of them actually die. He just has a very dramatic way of firing them.
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Post by beeftony on May 30, 2007 1:54:17 GMT -5
I don't see any parachutes on that chair.
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Post by Ninnik Nishukan on May 30, 2007 12:44:58 GMT -5
About Drakken...
Quote from Drakkensprincess' Drakken site:
Nicely put, Drakkensprincess. It does kinda seem plausible.
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Post by DP on May 30, 2007 16:00:17 GMT -5
About Drakken... Quote from Drakkensprincess' Drakken site: Nicely put, Drakkensprincess. It does kinda seem plausible. Thank you! ;D I actually kinda already paraphrased it in the post I already posted, but I'm flattered that my website is getting quoted.
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Post by clayton on May 30, 2007 16:48:19 GMT -5
*shrugs* who knows? The way I interpret it (maybe because of the games I play like Guild Wars) Shego wants to kill Kim for nearly killing her. Simple as that Actually i think Shego does it for 2 reasons. 1. She's paid to and as a mercenary it's her job and 2. She enjoyes fighting. Off the clock she has never tried to attack Kim and in fact has spent time reading about her.
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Post by archard on May 30, 2007 18:48:20 GMT -5
Here's my take.
Drakken: Currently, I don't believe Drakken would kill someone outright. Lowering someone in a giant pit of acid or by way of a deathtrap, sure, if he could ever get it right. Now, I said currently I believe this. I think if the right turn of events happened and Drakken actually went insane or something, I see him as being like the Joker. A psychotic madman. He would murder in an instant then.
Shego: I say she would kill. Now I don't think she would go around killing people just for the hell of it, but if she had to she would kill. As far as her wanting to kill Kim, I think she does, just not off the clock. Kim's a job for her. And she hasn't finished it yet, but she's definitely not gonna be working on her off time.
Monkeyfist: I see him as being somewhat insane. I say he would definitely kill. IMO, Monkeyfist, Killigan, and Gemini are the most likely to kill.
Duff Killigan: I pretty much see him the same way I see Monkeyfist. He'd definitely kill.
Professor Dementor: I think Dementor would have his killing done for him. I don't believe he would do it himself. Unless it was Kim. I think he would probably kill her himself.
Seniors: SSS would definitely not kill. He's too old fashioned. SSJ I don't think would kill either. He's too interested in being a pop star to kill people.
Gemini: He definitely kills. He shot that henchman through the roof and like beeftony said, I don't see any parachutes on that chair.
Motor Ed: He'd run you over if you were in his way. I also see him as having a really violent side sometimes. Like Tarantino violent. So yeah, he'd kill.
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Post by The Yetimonster on May 30, 2007 19:58:20 GMT -5
I always thought one of the more callous villain moves on the show was Motor Ed flinging Kim to pretty much certain death with his giant robot in Car Alarm. In fact, that's probably the one that sticks out at me the most. What other villian has so quickly, efficiently and casually tried to kill Kim, and laugh and make jokes as he does it?
Technically, there was no time or way left for Kim to save herself. Just a quick death sentence. Dr. Evil would not have approved, but his son Scott would've.
Drakken would've at least come up with some kind of goofy Bond movie way to kill her. Cousin Ed was all business.
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Post by proudnintendofan on May 31, 2007 13:13:17 GMT -5
And even more puzzling is that if Shego has a problem with someone else trying to kill Kim now... she didn't really seem to care that Motor Ed had sent Kim flying 50 feet through the air. I know some people will argue: "Oh, Shego knew Kim would get out of it" but... unless you knew had some special type of lipstick (I forget what she used) I don't see how you would've known she could've saved herself.
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Post by brendank on May 31, 2007 13:23:53 GMT -5
And even more puzzling is that if Shego has a problem with someone else trying to kill Kim now... she didn't really seem to care that Motor Ed had sent Kim flying 50 feet through the air. I know some people will argue: "Oh, Shego knew Kim would get out of it" but... unless you knew had some special type of lipstick (I forget what she used) I don't see how you would've known she could've saved herself. Perhaps a big part of it is Shego smarting a bit from the way Drakken almost succeeded when he kept her out of the loop in STD. So that now, what upsets her is not so much someone else threatening to fight Kim, but her getting pushed out of her proper role in Kim's demise. In Drakkens case, that means when fighting's to be done, She's the one who does the fighting. When there's a deathtrap involve, she accepts her role of sitting back and waiting to see if this one works. Alternatively, it's also possible that Shego hadn't quite resolved to be the onw who killed kim at that point in the narative. After all, Moter Ed was the first bad guy to bust Shego out of prison, and both then and the second time she was more "I'm tired of dealing with Kim, and I'd like a vacation from it," than anything else.
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Post by clayton on May 31, 2007 13:39:30 GMT -5
Shego is an ex superhero. Maybe she still feels an urge to protect people.
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Post by maetch on Jun 1, 2007 12:03:04 GMT -5
A few notes from moi:
Camille - Heck no! She's a lover, not a fighter.
Shego - So long as she can't be connected to the kill, she would. However, she'd have to have a very good reason to do it, 'cause she doesn't kill otherwise. Kim wise, it's more of a "I'm better than you" relationship.
Gemini - Given his "relationship" with Dr. D and GJ, he seems more like the "I'm better than you" personality.
Electronique - Now her, I like. She could and would kill.
Killigan - Killigan's a mercenary. In almost all his appearences, he's only ever been hired help. He'll kill if he's ordered to, and he could very well do it easily.
Motor Ed - I think Ed only cares about getting Kim out of his way. I don't think he was thinking about Kim going splat when he tossed her away like he did.
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Post by Ashfangirl20 on Jun 1, 2007 12:14:41 GMT -5
The only villain I can see actually killing some one is Zorpox, he is all evil.
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Post by beeftony on Jun 1, 2007 12:48:53 GMT -5
I don't think he was thinking about Kim going splat when he tossed her away like he did. You actually bring up a very good point. With the arguable exception of Shego, pretty much all the villains are insane in one way or another that messes with their perception of morality. They don't view killing in the same way a rational human would. Let us view each of the villains from this angle: Drakken: Everyone's favorite blue mad scientist appears to suffer from some sort of anxiety disorder, no doubt brought upon by his overbearing Jewish mother. His inability to concentrate on any one thing suggests signs of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD). He also displays signs of paranoia and general suspicion of those around him, and an extreme lack of willingness to trust (though he is quite gullible under the right circumstances). Drakken has also maintained a childlike state of maturity, meaning that he likely views killing the same way any of us would view giving someone a bloody nose: It may be unpleasant, but it's not the end of the world. There's a reason they call him a "mad" scientist. Shego: The worst psychological problem Shego suffers from is arrested development that keeps her in a perpetual teenage state, a trait that was likely reinforced by the lack of a strong father figure in her youth. However, she's still old enough to understand the consequences of her actions, and yet she does it anyway. She's not exactly crazy, but she has some problems. Particularly with excessive violence. But I've already discussed her enough. Monkey Fist: I wouldn't say he has a psychological disorder so much as an extremely unhealthy obsession with all things simian. He's perfectly capable of acting like a civilized human being, but his monkey "fetish" occasionally gets the better of him. He would only kill if that side of him were in control at the moment. He's too refined to do so otherwise. Duff Killigan: For some reason, whenever I think of Killigan, I can't help but think of Groundskeeper Willie from "The Simpsons." Now THERE was a crazed Scotsman. Killigan's just a little... eccentric. I don't think he'd be as willing to kill as some people are suggesting. Professor Dementor: The name says it all. He has more anger issues than anything else, but it's severe enough qualify him as insane. Some people take out their anger by lifting weights. Others build death rays and steal a battlesuit from their female arch-nemesis. ;D The Seniors: SSS shows no signs of being insane, but his old-school tactics put him slightly out of touch with reality. He appears to be in denial about the fact that the classic Bond era of villainy is over. Also, with the way he congratulates his son for being evil (just watch "The Cupid Effect"), one begins to suspect that the old man isn't exactly firing on all cylinders. In short, he'll kill, but only if tradition dictates it. SSJ seems to have reverted to a state of childlike dependency, most likely due to the lack of a mother figure and his father's indulgent nature. SSS can't seem to say no to his son, and Junior won't stop asking. He needs to separate from Senior before he can mature to the point where he'd be able to seriously think about killing. Gemini: The leader of WEE has an obvious fixation on being better than his sister, far past the point of healthy endeavor and over into full-blown obsession. I wouldn't be surprised if he gouged his own eye out just so Betty couldn't one-up him. His particularly bad reaction to bad news pretty much proves that he's not opposed to killing henchmen, but other than that I only think he would kill if it hurt his sister somehow.
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Post by maetch on Jun 1, 2007 12:58:26 GMT -5
Drakken: Everyone's favorite blue mad scientist appears to suffer from some sort of anxiety disorder, no doubt brought upon by his overbearing Jewish mother. His inability to concentrate on any one thing suggests signs of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD). He also displays signs of paranoia and general suspicion of those around him, and an extreme lack of willingness to trust (though he is quite gullible under the right circumstances). Drakken has also maintained a childlike state of maturity, meaning that he likely views killing the same way any of us would view giving someone a bloody nose: It may be unpleasant, but it's not the end of the world. There's a reason they call him a "mad" scientist. Shego: The worst psychological problem Shego suffers from is arrested development that keeps her in a perpetual teenage state, a trait that was likely reinforced by the lack of a strong father figure in her youth. However, she's still old enough to understand the consequences of her actions, and yet she does it anyway. She's not exactly crazy, but she has some problems. Particularly with excessive violence. But I've already discussed her enough. Monkey Fist: I wouldn't say he has a psychological disorder so much as an extremely unhealthy obsession with all things simian. He's perfectly capable of acting like a civilized human being, but his monkey "fetish" occasionally gets the better of him. He would only kill if that side of him were in control at the moment. He's too refined to do so otherwise. Duff Killigan: For some reason, whenever I think of Killigan, I can't help but think of Groundskeeper Willie from "The Simpsons." Now THERE was a crazed Scotsman. Killigan's just a little... eccentric. I don't think he'd be as willing to kill as some people are suggesting. Professor Dementor: The name says it all. He has more anger issues than anything else, but it's severe enough qualify him as insane. Some people take out their anger by lifting weights. Others build death rays and steal a battlesuit from their female arch-nemesis. ;D The Seniors: SSS shows no signs of being insane, but his old-school tactics put him slightly out of touch with reality. He appears to be in denial about the fact that the classic Bond era of villainy is over. Also, with the way he congratulates his son for being evil (just watch "The Cupid Effect"), one begins to suspect that the old man isn't exactly firing on all cylinders. In short, he'll kill, but only if tradition dictates it. SSJ seems to have reverted to a state of childlike dependency, most likely due to the lack of a mother figure and his father's indulgent nature. SSS can't seem to say no to his son, and Junior won't stop asking. He needs to separate from Senior before he can mature to the point where he'd be able to seriously think about killing. Gemini: The leader of WEE has an obvious fixation on being better than his sister, far past the point of healthy endeavor and over into full-blown obsession. I wouldn't be surprised if he gouged his own eye out just so Betty couldn't one-up him. His particularly bad reaction to bad news pretty much proves that he's not opposed to killing henchmen, but other than that I only think he would kill if it hurt his sister somehow. I can see Monkey Fist going all murderous on Kim if she really p;ssed him off. Killigan is a mercenary, seeing as how he only ever appears when he works for others, and if he's ordered to, he would kill (not random deaths, though). Drakken I especially agree with. It's really his personality and immaturity that prevents him from being a complete winner.
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Post by beeftony on Jun 1, 2007 13:40:55 GMT -5
Killigan has not always appeared as a mercenary. In "Number One" (his debut episode), it was made quite clear that he was the mastermind and executor of his plan to cover the world in grass. In "October 31st" and ASiT, it's more like he's part of a collaborative effort among villians than being subservient to one or the other. "Sick Day" and "Adventures in Rufus Sitting" the only episodes in which he works for someone else. That's 3 episodes in which Killigan served his own interests (5 if you consider that ASiT was three separate episodes) versus only two episodes in which he worked for someone else. I'd call him less of a mercenary and more of a one-trick pony who has trouble coming up with schemes on his own after his initial one was foiled.
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Post by maetch on Jun 2, 2007 11:26:59 GMT -5
Killigan has not always appeared as a mercenary. In "Number One" (his debut episode), it was made quite clear that he was the mastermind and executor of his plan to cover the world in grass. In "October 31st" and ASiT, it's more like he's part of a collaborative effort among villians than being subservient to one or the other. "Sick Day" and "Adventures in Rufus Sitting" the only episodes in which he works for someone else. That's 3 episodes in which Killigan served his own interests (5 if you consider that ASiT was three separate episodes) versus only two episodes in which he worked for someone else. I'd call him less of a mercenary and more of a one-trick pony who has trouble coming up with schemes on his own after his initial one was foiled. OBJECTION!!! His debut appearence was his only credible solo attempt. I think the writers decided that he was better off paired with other baddies after that. "Sick Day" was only because Drakken brought him in as a temporary fill-in for Shego. Duff only tried to go solo when his employer got incapacitated as well. "Rufus-Sitting"... Who knows why he wanted the chip? Like Shego in that episode, Duff could have just been ordered by someone else to get the chip. Nothing was ever really explained about his or Shego's motives. At least Monkey Fist is capable of operating solo, so I can understand his desire. "Sitch in Time" and "October 31". Both times he's in it only for his own personal interest, usually money or a new weapon to get rid of Kim. In the end, a mercenary is just a hired hand for other, better-shoed criminals.
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