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Post by cadmus on Oct 22, 2007 1:17:03 GMT -5
A member from toonzone.net had a review on Homecoming Upset that I found interesting. He pretty much nails my thoughts on Bonnie in this episode and throughout the series:
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Post by Firelady Nemo on Oct 22, 2007 17:05:27 GMT -5
bonnie was crazy in this one!
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Post by kimburnpotts on Dec 9, 2007 0:38:45 GMT -5
I agree! I liked the Regis Philbin sound-alike.
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Post by cadmus on Jan 29, 2008 4:47:04 GMT -5
Alright, after watching this episode many times, I have just one question for people who enjoyed this. WHAT THE HELL IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE APPEAL TO THIS EPISODE. This episode for me was one of three absolute stinkers that this season generated (Cap'n Drakken & Oh No! Yono! being the other two).
Seriously all this episode does is prove how much of an absolute b*%ch Bonnie is. But we as viewers don't need massive amounts of Bonnie screen time to reinforce this, because we already know it.
I still don't know what it is the writers set out to do in this episode, but this episode just left me with an urge of wanting to see Bonnie get run over by a semi truck. Why am I supposed to give a rats a$# about Bonnie being all whiny about wanting a boyfriend. Why is this an episode that the VIP's were so hyped up about? This episode just bomb's and it's all because of Bonnie.
If the premise was mainly to go around watching Ron trying to get Bonnie a new boyfriend, then that's a really dumb premise, and here's why: -Bonnie is not a likeable character, so getting viewers to sympathize with her won't work if she has no desire to change (even in the slightest), why should my opinion on Bonnie change if she's not willing to change? The writer just spends the entire episode building up Bonnie to be the most cringeworthy, most repellent character on the show that I just wanted punch her, or for someone else to.
Some people have defended this episode saying that there's development for Bonnie, but that's where they're still wrong, as I once again point to the unofficial Boyd Kirkland rule "Good story telling always has to begin with characters you care about and can relate to on some level. If you don't have that, who cares what their powers are, or what happens to them?" While Bonnie doesn't have superpowers I'm not given a reason to care about Bonnie at all, so why should I care about what happens to her? There's a difference between development and actually caring about a character. Without the latter, the former is useless.
Bonnie works best as foil, usually when she's annoying Kim, NOT THE VIEWERS. But in all honesty, this episode was bad storytelling, and just felt like somebody's idea of a sick joke. This was one of the worst episodes of not only the season but of the series. I just don't see anything in this episode that justifies Bonnie's characterization, NOTHING. Seriously, WHAT'S THE JUSTIFICATION?
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Post by NewSkool101 on Jan 29, 2008 23:09:42 GMT -5
You know Cad, for a guy who's constantly accused of doing nothing but whining, you're really not helping your case here.
Comedy doesn't always have to make sense and tell stories. Sometimes it can just be funny
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Post by cadmus on Jan 30, 2008 5:27:09 GMT -5
You know Cad, for a guy who's constantly accused of doing nothing but whining, you're really not helping your case here. Comedy doesn't always have to make sense and tell stories. Sometimes it can just be funny It would've helped if the situation was actually, but it's not. Bonnie's not a character who works in the spotlight for 22 minutes while in MEGA-B*%ch mode with no payoff or change. Every episode of just about any tv show, has to have some sort of hook. An episode has to feel satisfying on some level whether it's played straight or if it's played as a farce. I fail to see the comedy behind Bonnie acting like an absolute brat with no payoff. Maybe Bonnie fans liked this (but their poor misguided souls, so I don't count them ) but for me, this is not a compelling episode, sure there's the odd glimmer; but it's drowned out in Bonnie acting like the queen of b^%#$es, why should I as a viewer have to put up with Bonnie's shrieking annoyance? For the record, I could see this episode working if Bonnie did something (ANYTHING) to redeem herself: "Replace the end credits with her apologizing to Ron for the way she acted during the week, and thanking him. Ron would ask if things between him & her were cool, and she'd say yes. Then Ron would ask if things between her & Kim were cool and she'd say "Ummm.... no." to Ron's disappointment." This accomplishes two things, it shows Bonnie does have a range of emotion, instead of being just a one dimmensional jerk all the time; it also keeps her true to her character as being the one person that will always hate Kim and get on her nerves. To me the above sounds like a hell of a better pay off after putting up with Bonnie's carcus for 22 minutes. This episode has no compelling payoff whatsoever. Or if they're so hell bent on keeping Bonnie the way she is, they could spend more spotlight time on Junior and his feelings, since he's a more likeable character. Anything than what we got here, would've been better. Oh and for the record, at least when I whine, I give compelling arguments/viewpoints; and actually explain why I feel a certain way about an episode. I don't give negative opinions without reinforcing them.
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Post by mike on Jan 30, 2008 6:28:06 GMT -5
Alright, after watching this episode many times, I have just one question for people who enjoyed this. WHAT THE HELL IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE APPEAL TO THIS EPISODE. The Drama
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Post by kittykax on Jan 30, 2008 10:06:08 GMT -5
So The Drama! X(
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Post by cadmus on Jan 31, 2008 0:48:43 GMT -5
Alright, after watching this episode many times, I have just one question for people who enjoyed this. WHAT THE HELL IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE APPEAL TO THIS EPISODE. The Drama Okay I'll buy that for the first half of the episode, the second half I don't buy it. The fact that the drama didn't have a convincing payoff didn't help much either. Kim forgiving Bonnie so easily felt forced. The second half, was Ron finding a boyfriend for Bonnie which I didn't care for in the slightest. WHY AM I SUPPOSED TO CARE ABOUT BONNIE NOT HAVING A BOYFRIEND? ESPECIALLY WHEN ALL BONNIE ACTS LIKE IS A SHRILL ANNOYING B*^#H (BOTH BEFORE AND AFTER)? Unless Bonnie changes in the slightest (see my suggestion above); Kim & Ron finding Bonnie "a new hottie" is not a compelling concept for an episode. Especially after everything Bonnie did before that. Her shrill annoyance as a character, came to an all time high (even beating out Prince Wally, yeah that bad).
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Post by mike on Jan 31, 2008 2:57:15 GMT -5
You might not find it appealing, but does it really mean that I shouldn't also? We all have our subjective traits and I for one find it appealing.
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Post by cadmus on Jan 31, 2008 16:31:10 GMT -5
And why is that?
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Post by manofevil on Feb 1, 2008 3:50:30 GMT -5
I don't usually feel the need to comment on these discussions but I will share with you all a vision I had when I watched this the first time. At the point where Riger fixes the election for Bonnie and she has her whole moment while the crowd is all dumbfounded. Suddenly one of the students sitting in the front of the stand (maybe Monique) surrounded by other students turns around and demands, "Who voted for Bonnie!" The other students look around, wondering themselves. "C'mon," says the student, "Who voted for Bonnie? Show of hands." Again, no reaction. "Who voted for Kim?" Asks the student simply. All the hands raise. At the back of the group, someone says, "Fraud" Then Someone else says, "Fraud." It becomes a chant. "Fraud!" "Fraud!" "Fraud!" It spreads through the group. "Fraud!" "Fraud!" "Fraud!" "Fraud!" It spreads through the stand. "Fraud!" "Fraud!" "Fraud!" "Fraud!" It spreads over the field to the point where even Bonnie's shrieks can't block it from her ears. "Fraud!" "Fraud!" "Fraud!" "Fraud!" I think at that point even Barkin would feel the need to strip Bonnie of her title and see that the votes are properly counted.
The writers have succeeded in doing something I can't ever remember them doing before: They've deliberately set out to make a large number us, the audience, actually HATE one of their characters. And they did it well. for those of you wondering why this episode has managed to inpire this amount of rage towards Bonnie, I think it may be because we had to watch her get away with what has to be one of the ten crimes which inspire the LEAST amount of sympathy in an american audience anyway: Election Fraud. It's right up there with the Enron scandal with a lot of people in this country. We hate seeing our voices made to count for nothing and our opinions ignored. especially when we're in the majority, so a stolen election tends to set something off in us. So if you're wondering about all the Bonnie hate here, perhaps that's the reason. Bonnie wasn't even made to regret what she'd done. In truth, I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't even remember that she had to fix the election to win. She would probably think afterward that she had been fairly elected. Her level of self-absorbsion would lead us to think so. She is Camille Leon, but without the stalkerazzi constantly chasing her and feeding her ego. Some here have said she could be another Shego. I'd say it would probably be a shorter journey to becoming another Camille Leon. It would be interesting to see them both in the same episode. They would either be the best of friends or the worst of enemies. Perhaps Bonnie could steal Camille's powers. As far as Bonnie making a play for Ron, It's hardly surprising unless the viewer never saw "Ron Millionaire". She pulled the same stunt there with similar aftermath. It also shouldn't surprise anyone that Ron would forget that, either. Ron tends to forget a great many things. ;D Furthermore, Bonnie is now in with the Seniors and that cannot be a holy alliance. I believe this episode is a very important step in Bonnie's evolution from high school alpha b**ch denied to major super-villain. That didn't mean we had to enjoy watching it. 3/5
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Post by mdog on Feb 1, 2008 14:16:15 GMT -5
You know Cad, for a guy who's constantly accused of doing nothing but whining, you're really not helping your case here. Comedy doesn't always have to make sense and tell stories. Sometimes it can just be funny I totally agree. This episode was good. I loved it. I don't really know why either, I just did. Also, it showed how insicure Bonnie was. Bonnie obviosly has some problems. And she is a biotch, and it shows that some people just are, and Kim had to deal with her, just like someone would in real life.
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Post by jim on Oct 10, 2008 20:29:33 GMT -5
Homecoming Upset was the first KP episode I ever saw and still to this day remains my favorite. I admit that Bonnie Rockwaller is stuck up and was at her worst in this one but the Kim/Bonnie rivalry is just so comical and amusing. I saw it when my wife was asleep so when the scene where Bonnie nearly inhaled Ron just in time for Kim to come in and see the whole thing, I had to laugh quietly but hystericly!
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Post by slicknickshady on Nov 9, 2008 14:42:43 GMT -5
This episode still irks me to no end.....
the only good thing about it is kim's quote to Ron and Ron's reaction.
This proves that they both had though about each other as more than friends a long time before STD so i'm greatfull for this quote.
Ron's reaction i like......you mean you and i could have been locking lips since pre-k...lol....
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Post by manofevil on Jan 21, 2010 3:26:41 GMT -5
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Post by manofevil on Jan 21, 2010 4:12:43 GMT -5
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Post by manofevil on Jan 21, 2010 4:28:51 GMT -5
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