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Post by Ashley Benlove on Oct 11, 2006 18:24:13 GMT -5
Okay, Monique here. Not Bonnie.
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Post by Carbon on Oct 11, 2006 19:25:48 GMT -5
I see Monique more as just "one of the girls" in the world of high school cliques. She's Kim's 'real' friend, because she just couldn't have Ron as her only friend, and I think she wanted to see Kim and Ron get together, or at least could see the writing on the wall, from "and that's not a good thing?" in Emotion Sickness to "Stand by your Ron" in Drama. To me she seems to be Kim's confidant who in a pinch can help out on a mission, maybe (Sitch in Time). They certainly share a lot of interests and in a way she is the level-headed Yin to Ron's knuckle-headed Yang.
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Post by cloudmonet on Oct 11, 2006 22:27:04 GMT -5
Response to Kimron Posstoppable
I didn't mean to go so far as to say Bonnie and Kim became friends, just that Bonnie's attitude seemed to soften somewhat, and they had a bit of empathy and understanding for each other.
Uh, to judge from the opening scene of "So the Drama," Kim seems to want Monique and Brick together. If this isn't enough to piss Bonnie off, what is? Seems like Bonnie and Brick broke up, again, sometime earlier in season three, Monique movedin, Kim as Monique's friend probably supported her in some way— it's not hard to imagine how this might happen. We just see traces of these events (or whatever events may have happened) on the show. I don't see that this discredits anyone concerned. This kind of stuff happens. End result, Bonnie goes back from being somewhat tolerant of Kim (I didn't say buddy-buddy) to being totally back in the nasty rivalry space.
The primary virtue to my theory is it fits the facts and explains Bonnie's mood swings pretty well. There's no other explanation for Bonnie's reversion to type even suggested by the episodes.
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Oct 12, 2006 8:57:11 GMT -5
How come I didn't notice the Monqiue/Brick thing?!
If that's supposed to be that way, then there would have been more evidence in season 3. I only recall the end of S T D.
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Post by Kimron Posstoppable on Oct 13, 2006 0:05:19 GMT -5
There is no indication on the show that Monique has dated anyone, including Brick. She's just showing her interest in him the StD opening scene. Maybe she tutored him so well* he was even able to skip a grade (which explains his going to college next season). *I mean "tutored" literally, as in "coached him with his schoolwork". Don't get any ideas, Ashley. Oh, I won't. I'm not gonna write about Brick. It's rare that I do. Hee. I know. I was just messing with ya, Ash. ;D My theory is about Monique's relationship with Brick and Bonnie, how it continues into StD, and avoids using Monique as a cause for Kim and Bonnie's rivalry. To use Monique as the reason Bonnie returns to being mean to Kim doesn't really do her character justice, IMO (or Brick's, or even Bonnie's for that matter). Uh, to judge from the opening scene of "So the Drama," Kim seems to want Monique and Brick together. If this isn't enough to piss Bonnie off, what is? Um, how about the fact that according to your theory, she knows Monique is the one who is actually interested in and dated Brick? Let me see if I have this right...Bonnie and Monique become friendly acquaintances, Monique starts hanging out with Bonnie, Monique and Brick become friendly (and possibly date during a B&B off-again lull), which makes Bonnie jealous and makes her the most angry with... Kim for supporting it? Does that even sound like the Bonnie we know? She's the most direct character on the show. Bonnie is many things, but not passive-aggressive. She certainly would not like it that Kim would support Monique dating Brick, but it's Monique who has moved in on her territory. Bonnie would would be pissed at Monique, not Kim. Your theory also requires Monique to get in the middle of a clearly unstable ongoing relationship and pretty much betray someone she's supposed to be friendly with. Purposely moving in on someone in that situation doesn't sound like something Monique would do. Seems like Bonnie and Brick broke up, again, sometime earlier in season three, Monique movedin, Kim as Monique's friend probably supported her in some way— it's not hard to imagine how this might happen. We just see traces of these events (or whatever events may have happened) on the show. I don't see that this discredits anyone concerned. None of those things are hinted at in the show, as far I can remember. Monique and Brick are rarely ever in the same room other than in "Exchange" (no interaction at all) and StD. I always appreciate it when someone points out a scene or a tidbit of info I missed. I'm nerdy like that. Please feel free to show when hints of these events happened. The primary virtue to my theory is it fits the facts and explains Bonnie's mood swings pretty well. There's no other explanation for Bonnie's reversion to type even suggested by the episodes. Here's another of the points where our views of this sitch diverge. There have been no "mood swings" to account for, because Bonnie never changed at all. Her behavior toward Kim post-"Bonding" is exactly the same as Pre-"Bonding". The thing about "Bonding" is that it seems to be the go-to episode for people who want to believe Bonnie became "kinder and gentler" afterward and changed her general attitude toward Kim. All that changed in "Bonding" is that Kim knows about an aspect of Bonnie's home life that may have contributed to why Bonnie is the way she is and Bonnie has a good idea of what happens on Kim's missons. In "Emotion Sickness," the next episode she appears in after "Bonding" (when she allegedly gained empathy and understanding for Kim), Bonnie tried to rub it in as soon as possible when she saw Josh and Tara together (She also gains some ammunition to needle Kim with StD, which she uses with relish). Does an empathetic and understanding person do that? No. A resentful and spiteful person would. In "Overdue", she does the same when Kim is suspended from cheering over her library book. In "CGI", she's openly resentful of Kim for allegedly hogging Heather: "Typical Possible. A movie star comes to our school and she has to hog all the glamour for herself." Bonnie can't help but be Bonnie. There really is no need to contrive a relationship between Bonnie and Monique in order to make Bonnie dislike Kim again.
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Post by Avenger on Oct 13, 2006 12:45:38 GMT -5
There really is no need to contrive a relationship between Bonnie and Monique in order to make Bonnie dislike Kim again. No... but I still say Monique was interested in Brick. That's really all I've been trying to get at. Did Monique go stag to prom just to take a shot at Brick? I really don't care how Bonnie fits in to all of this, other than as an obstruction to Monique.
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Post by Kimron Posstoppable on Oct 13, 2006 18:42:09 GMT -5
There really is no need to contrive a relationship between Bonnie and Monique in order to make Bonnie dislike Kim again. No... but I still say Monique was interested in Brick. That's really all I've been trying to get at. I'm saying Monique was interested in Brick, too, Avenger. I think we all agree on that. Did Monique go stag to prom just to take a shot at Brick? That's a good question. It may be part of the reason she went stag. Some girls do go to dances without feeling the need to scrounge up a date, though. I really don't care how Bonnie fits in to all of this, other than as an obstruction to Monique. As long as it makes sense and stays true to the characters involved, I don't either.
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Oct 13, 2006 19:10:06 GMT -5
Which reminds me... I need a man...
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Post by mattb3671 on Oct 13, 2006 19:11:36 GMT -5
YESSSS! FINALLY!!!!!\
There are others out there who like the Monique/Brick ship!
;D*does the happy dance* ;D
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Post by lonestarr357 on Oct 13, 2006 19:19:58 GMT -5
YESSSS! FINALLY!!!!!\ There are others out there who like the Monique/Brick ship! ;D*does the happy dance* ;D Funny thing, though: I'm pretty sure my story, "Hearts Afire", predates "So the Drama" in this regard.
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Post by Carbon on Oct 13, 2006 20:32:08 GMT -5
NO way Bonnie/Brick for ever :-p
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Post by Avenger on Oct 14, 2006 13:12:06 GMT -5
That's a good question. It may be part of the reason she went stag. Some girls do go to dances without feeling the need to scrounge up a date, though. That's true. And Monique is a strong and independent enough woman that she wouldn't feel awkweird going to Prom without a date. But, at the same time, Monique also likes to be noticed. You know, she's very fashionable. "I want a dress that says, 'This girl is too fine for you, baby boy!'" So, I still think she went to the Prom with the intent of gaining a man's interest.
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Post by clayton on Apr 17, 2007 17:07:41 GMT -5
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Post by Rognik on Apr 18, 2007 2:55:19 GMT -5
Well, if this thread is going to get bumped up, I'm going to chime in! Monique is to Kim what Rufus is to Ron. If Ron has any problems that he can't talk to Kim about, he goes to Rufus. Kim goes to Monique for advise of the female persuasion. This mostly boils down to problems with Ron, and occasional problems with Bonnie.
As to the whole Monique/Bonnie/Brick triangle, I think it's a non-issue. I haven't seen any indication outside of StD that Monique had any interest in Brick, and even as far as saying she disliked him in Exchange. The call at the beginning was typical HS drama/gossip and nothing more. Well, maybe spying on the enemy, Bonnie, but not for her own interest. I can definitely see her going to the dance alone, and the high-five with Brick was more an indication that she and Brick both think Kim's the bomb instead of a "say, he's kinda cute." But seeing as Brick was hanging with Bonnie at the end, there was no real spark. That, or he felt a sense of duty to stay with his date.
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