Disney is losing KP!

[drakkenlover]

Guys, when approaching advertisement in Disney, you'll find its very weak.

I'm not a marketer, but I do have an idea on how Disney approaches their release of material.

Disney is big on how they advertise something, they won't every little kid that watches it to get hooked on it. Its like drugs, really, they want you have a taste of it (the ads, previews, etc...) and then you get hooked on it. take for instance High School Musical. The showed previews to it in November of 2004, I think, and all through December, right up to its release date in January. In the TV business, when you advertise, you WILL always have a 50/50 chance of something being successful. High School Musical was successful, you can still buy merchandise today, Cheetah Girls was successful. Now, the Proud Family Movie was not very successful. So, that's why they never went farther with it.

Now, in KP's sake, its very confusing. Even though KP: So the Drama was a sort of success, I don't believe it appealed to a lot of people (besides us, of course). Plus, the 65 rule didn't help either.

Now, we find KP in a problem, alot of people who liked the show but never kept up with it, might believe its gone (When it moves to Toon Disney, its on the brink of extinction).

My point (finally, some of you are saying) is, I sadly believe KP might not advertise well in January with all these new programs that are appealing to a new crowd. UNLESS, Disney and the KP crew can come up with a marketing plan so astounding for S4, that Cory in the House or other new shows won't stand a chance. A plan, I have faith in to succeed.

[Zei-ness]

Oh, quick thing I just saw: there was a promo for the DC New Years' special, and it said "...and many more surprises!" Probably means something really stupid like "new episode of The Replacements! Yay!" but I'd keep an eye out just in case. I don't want to be the only one who sees the new promo for S4 KP.

[Ashley Benlove]

I plan to watch. I'll try to get out of going to church too.

Plus, I voted and I want to see the episode where Miley dates her brother. Haha.

[fazhou]

zei said:

No worries, friends. After nearly four years of studying the DC's advertising habits (yeah, I have no life, but I'm thirteen, so I don't need one right now), I know how they do their promos. The main thing to keep in mind? They like to air promos for new things after they air a special. I'd look for promos on the following dates:

a) After or during the DC new year's special;
b) After or during the premiere of Cory in the House;
c) After or during the premiere of Jump In!

Hmm...so the way you're sounding you think the promos will begin around 4 weeks in advance? That would place the date as around Martin Luther King Day.

Jump In and Corey in the House both premiere January 12. By golly, I think we've nailed it! ;D

[Zei-ness]

fazhou said:

Jump In and Corey in the House both premiere January 12. By golly, I think we've nailed it! ;D

Yep! I'm fairly sure there's no big DC specials after then, so all they have to promote is S4 of KP, really. (And JL's mid-season finale if they decide to make a big deal out of that.)

[Ashley Benlove]

How do you know they premiere on the 12th? Where did you get this info?!

[Zei-ness]

ashleybenlove said:

How do you know they premiere on the 12th? Where did you get this info?!

Online TV schedules. Gotta look, Ashley.

[Ezbok58a]

You're all taking this way too seriously, step back for a few minutes and breathe....

I say by January or Mid-January there will be promos for KP up the wazoo. Then again look how they promo-ed the new season of American Dragon.

Remember, it's not a new show that they need to hype for several months, its already out there, so don't expect 90tons of advertisement because that isn't how they do things. As long as it's on a good night and time (probably Friday at 8ish) it will do well.

Have faith, since some(most) of you are severely lacking there.

[Zei-ness]

ezbok58a said:

Have faith, since some(most) of you are severely lacking there.

I have faith.

[Ashley Benlove]

I really have to start going to Yahoo and looking.

I also have faith.

[Ezbok58a]

zei said:

I have faith.

Yes you do, you're one of the few

ashleybenlove said:

I really have to start going to Yahoo and looking.

I also have faith.

You didn't have faith when this started (you were freaking out...)
But you're on the right track, faith in Disney will come...

Just like Air Guitar came to Drakken...

[Ashley Benlove]

Yes, yes. That's correct.

But, remember everyone: watch every KP episode within a short period of time... trust me, it will make you nuts for the show.

[Ezbok58a]

ashleybenlove said:

Yes, yes. That's correct.

But, remember everyone: watch every KP episode within a short period of time... trust me, it will make you nuts for the show.

And buy the 15 episodes off of iTunes! Every little bit helps! (Which is what I'm doing now ;D )

[Ashley Benlove]

I'm getting a iTunes gift card for Christmas. 25 dollars. Sadly, it has That's So Raven on it. Ugh.

I might do that. I depends on the songs I get. I want to get a couple of songs for my iPod. But I'll get a couple of eppies.

I'm hoping my second cousin Whitney buys the PS2 KP game. I told her about it. But she's more anime fan.

[fazhou]

ezbok58a said:

You're all taking this way too seriously, step back for a few minutes and breathe....

Have faith, since some(most) of you are severely lacking there.

LOL! I have this vision of the movie "Airplane" ...

www.killerclips.com/clip.php?id=128&qid=1579

[Ashley Benlove]

Haha. Gotta love Airplane!

Coolest. Movie. Ever.

[ShadigoIzayoi]

Firstly, I'm gonna Vent my feelings on the matter, THEN I'm gonna post some quotes, old or not and respond to those. Feel Free To Pick on anything that's flawed/i've missed...

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I think I recall a DC Kids awards show over here about 2-ish years ago. I think the only reason KP was in certain categories was that that years show was KP themed (I still have it taped somewhere... you non-believers). The year after though... nowhere to be found... I think The Categories that had KP (as a show) in before was something like: crappy animated show, unfunny crappy animated show, Recess, Unfunny Live Action Show, Crappy Live Action Show and/or Lizzie McStupid and Recess. And I don't think one got done this year so I cannot comment on that.

When Season 3 started, KP was moved to the lesser Toon Disney Channel to make room for some Unfunny Live Action Show (I Think... It may have just been Phil Of The Future), to which I thought, "Yeah, KP's pretty much f*cked here... At least were still getting Season 3." After (Read: Thankfully) Toon Disney Got Canned, KP was put back on DC... but when I check the Sky Planner it's only on at 6am, 12pm, 3:30 pm and, on extremely rare occasion, after the 7pm movie at about 9:30pm-ish. I haven't seen Or heard of ANY season 3 ep being Aired Terrestrially over here... I could be wrong, and that I slept straight through when they DID air it... but meh.

Regardless; Disney, like Sega/Sonic Team, aren't f*cking listening to their fans... which is why everything either sucks, or just isn't funny anymore. Though despite the fact that most of the new (read: 3D) games have been crap... Not to Mention that (the English version of) Sonic X wasn't that great Either (IMO I have people to blame for that though), I'm still a Sonic fan, just like I was back in June '91... but less obsessive.

IMHO: Disney's gonna turn into the next Nickelodeon... Remember what happened to stuff like Invader Zim anyone? OK, So Zim was Radically Different, but people absolutely loved it. Besides, Nick's done the radically different thing before with Ren & Stimpy, and look where that ended up.

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cmdrargus said:

It's amazing they put so much into their frelling movies (I'm already about to throw up with all the videos they keep playing from that Corbin "I really need a haircut" Blue movie) and utter crap like this Cory in the House thing, yet appear to be letting KP die on the vine.

They w'hore out High School Musical so much over here it gives my a bloody headache. D:

I guess that's why I can't stand it anymore... :v
Thankfully, they've finished with it... For Now... DUN, DUN, DUN!!!

fazhou said:

This is really the only board left that is "thriving," meaning an average of 100 posts or more per day. 2 years ago there were at least five. Today, Middleton High Auditorium and Drakken's Crib are still alive, but barely active. TV.com is but a shadow of the old TV Tome board. I'd say the overwhelming majority of RS.net's posts are made by members who have been around at least a year...that is not a good sign.

I think that's why I migrated from Drakken's Crib to here. That Place is deader than a Dodo with AIDS. The Webmaster doesn't seem to want to bother with the main site and only keeping the forum open, by the looks of the main page. I think I did the Same with All Things Are Possible... All that's left of that is the forum and THAT'S Hardly ever active anyway...

fazhou said:

We need to have a talk with the toy manufacturers about this (they're the ones who make these decisions, not Disney).

Right now, except for a few odds & ends at the Disney Store, there is no KP merchandise--old or new--out there in the stores. Nothing, nada...zilch.

Try: Sweet F.A. around here at all! I think all we have are the GBA/PS2/DS Games and that's it... Oh, and on the Rare Occasion, one of the DVDs. None of the local disney Stores have EVER had anything KP related in it at all... I've had to get everything Via Ebay or Amazon or Play... AND it's only been recent (i.e. sometime early this year... I think It might have been February) that KP happy meal toys were made... granted, they were crap compared to the Happy Meal toys of Yore/American Happy Meal toys, but at least we still had some.

zei said:

ashleybenlove said:

I don't get why anybody who watches D.C can possibly not like KP?! I bet they're all That's So Raven fans...

I don't get it either, yet I know why...

Kids? Kids are stupid creatures. Most of them, anyway. Not even joking here. And stupid kids only like stupid humor they can get and laugh at, like the stuff in TSR. KP humor is intelligent, sarcastic humor, therefore the kids don't get it, don't get any humor out of it and don't watch it because it's "boring".

yeah, those Pathetic Human Offspring... look at them... they're so hideous... ?! Oh, Excuse the Black Doom Moment there, but there is a point there... Kids only Generally go for Stupid Humour. A Kind of Humour I've kinda got a taste (a Distaste actually) for in Cartoons. Example: I liked Pinky and The Brain up untill the last season when they introduced Emyra from Tiny Toons into the cast to get some Stupid Humour... Why O Why did they do that? TO be thourally honest, I think Elmyra Is probably why the ratings went crashing on that show. Rugrats started to become a little Lame after the first movie, and All Grown Up just sucks for me. Brandy & Mr. Whiskers (I'd better mention a Disney show now...), IMO, Tries and Fails at trying to do the clever/stupid thing that the first 2 seasons of P&TB had. Yet Kids like it... Pathetic Disgusting Humans... Anyway:

All In All, It's the Clever Comedy, Clever Comebacks, Witty Puns/ One-Liners, and Sarcastic Wit that gets a Laugh Out of me... not the lame-ass stupidity that calls itself a cartoon we have now. Maybe It's Just me Geting Old. :-\

Despite that, I can happilly watch stuff like Family Guy, Jackass, South Park, et al and still laugh at it because there's stupididty in there, and there's also clever stupidity in there too. (well not in Jackass anyway, but it's fun to watch stupid real life people doing real life stupid things, which probably makes the point I just made above Moot)

ashleybenlove said:

Well, this is the board for REAL Kp fans.

YA!! We're F*cking hardcore!! ;D

ashleybenlove said:

Yeah... that's the problem with kids.

I hate TSR. It's horrible. Plus, I resent that her fans didn't have to do a aw, shucksed thing to get 100 episodes. Some KP fans worked 2 years to get her more than 65 episodes.

For the Sake of something Humerous in this already god-long post: I'll post a convosation between the excecs about this*:

_{* Note that this never actually happened, if you think it did, go see a Shrink - you're obviously Dumb... Or a Time Lord... or an insider at Disney, and I demand Season 4 of KP!!! D:}

Excec1: TSR's doing well. It has a Sh*tload of Fans...
Eisner: Good, Good... Give them More Episodes
Excec2: KP's doing Well, It has a Sh*tload of Fans...
Eisner: Keep it at 65 Idiot... Who Hired You anyway... YOU'RE FIRED!! D:
Excec1: Sir, the KP fans are Rebelling...
Eisner: Red Alert, set Phasers to: "make them watch other, crappier, less clever shows like Brandy & Mr. Whiskers." *Red Alert Siren Plays*
Excec1: Aye Sir
2 YEARS LATER!!
Jobs: Give the Fans more Episodes darnIT...
Excec1: um... Ay... Sir...?
Jobs: And How the f@*king hell do I turn the Siren off...? Eisner wasn't using Windows... was he...?
Excec1: I dunno sir, um... when should we advertise for this New Season of KP sir?
Jobs: Meh, Let them suffer... I think they're still eating Eisner's Carcass anyway...
Excec1: Those are actual Vultures, Sir.

[johnnys]

Woot! Nice rant, mate!

[YamiDymlos]

You guys got too much to worry

Let me asked you how would you fell, if Disney pro,mote season 4 now? And they tell you the first scrrening is 14 Feburary?

Of course you will scream like mad but the waiting will kill you that is for sure.

Disney had been trying to keep Kp survive for a very long time. The prove is they make Kp mechandise and even some awesome Kp games. If they really want to shut down Kp, they would do so long ago. See what happend to Buzz lightyear, it have only one game and only one movie. Kp have up to 3 different types of soundtrack but how much does Buzz light year have?

They are well aware of this. Therefore, we should not blame them for not advertising Kp. They just want to suprise Kp fan which do not know much about what is going on in Disney. Imagine this, you do not know anything about Kp and one day, you saw a Kp coomercal that she will be returning tomoorrow. How would that feel?

[Ashfangirl20]

Now, now lets not make fun of Corey in the House, I have a feeling its going to be pretty popular dispite what the Raven fans think
I can't wait for Corey in the House {Runs for the hills} And yes I hate Disney for the less promoting Kim Possible