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Post by lordvictorino on Mar 21, 2008 18:16:53 GMT -5
The biggest pairing I support is the Mickey/Apathy pairing. I watch Kim Possible to laugh, so I could not care less who is dating who. The same is true for fan fiction. I prefer stories that are done in the spirit of the show and focus on plot and humor. Stories that are basically about getting two people together really do not interest me, whether they are Kim and Ron, Kim and Shego, or flashback about how James met Anne. I do not mind as long as pairings are secondary, or even further down the priority list. KiGo is my second least favorite of the popular pairings. Kim and Shego are quite opposite in many ways, most of them obvious. Putting them together is like connecting a set of jumper cables to your car battery and then touching other red and black ends. I feel the same way about DraKim, but that one gets the title of my least favorite because it has the added bonus of Drakken being 25+ years older than Kim. Hi All, Well, I am more of a DrakKim Shipper, myself. And this does seem to be more frowned upon more so than even KiGo. Age Difference seems to be more unexceptable more so than Same Sex Coupling. But some would say that it's not only the age difference that's the problem, but it's that one of them is concidered underaged (under 18) during most of the episodes, which is more of the problem. So, I can understand where they are coming from. But with all that said, I'm not going to go All William Wallace on someone who ships different, than I do, as long as they don't go All William Wallace on the way I ship. Ship and Let Ship, I always say. Please and Thank You, Tony M. Victorino
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Post by DP on Mar 21, 2008 18:29:59 GMT -5
The biggest pairing I support is the Mickey/Apathy pairing. HA! Same here, basically. My favorite ship is Monique/Wade; it's the only ship that I support to the point that I would be irked if either of them ended up with somebody other than each other. Other than that, I'm open to most ships. I do not dislike KiGo. In fact, I would say I like it. I can see it. And I find KiGo fans' interpretations of the characters to be very fascinating. If I had to guess, I would say that on this board alone, the most common reason for disliking KiGo is that it interferes with K/R. I'm just stating a fact; that's what I've seen the greatest amount of. All the other reasons people have listed are ever-present as well. Well, I am more of a DrakKim Shipper, myself. And this does seem to be more frowned upon more so than even KiGo. Age Difference seems to be more unexceptable more so than Same Sex Coupling. But some would say that it's not only the age difference that's the problem, but it's that one of them is concidered underaged (under 18) during most of the episodes, which is more of the problem. So, I can understand where they are coming from. Thank you! Drakkim is one of my favorite ships, and it takes a whole lot of guff just because of the age difference. I'd make another thread similar to this one asking "Why the hate for Drakkim?" but that would be pointless since we all know the age difference is the reason. And no offense, but I personally don't think it's a very good reason.
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Post by Joe Stoppinghem on Mar 21, 2008 21:44:45 GMT -5
I don't hate the Kim/Shego, I just haven't found a story to keep my interest. There have been quite a few Ron/Shego stories that were very, very good. "Ron Stoppable: Ultimate Monkey Master", "As Bad as She Wants Me to Be", and "The Human Element" I & II, just to name a few.
To me to get the real feeling of Kim and Shego, there are a few special chapters of "What She Can't Say" covers the relationship between Kim and Shego, and it aint pretty.
I've noticed there a quite a number of K/S posted lately on FF.net. I'm hoping to see it start to swing back the other way of more non-K/S. I do appreciate variety for stories.
For those supporting K/S and even writing them, good luck, as long as the story is good and in good taste, I have no problem.
If anyone wishes to suggest what they feel is the best K/S story, please let me know on this thread, I'll be willing to check it out.
Thanks
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Post by Mickey on Mar 21, 2008 22:23:52 GMT -5
Well, I am more of a DrakKim Shipper, myself. And this does seem to be more frowned upon more so than even KiGo. Age Difference seems to be more unexceptable more so than Same Sex Coupling. But some would say that it's not only the age difference that's the problem, but it's that one of them is concidered underaged (under 18) during most of the episodes, which is more of the problem. So, I can understand where they are coming from. Thank you! Drakkim is one of my favorite ships, and it takes a whole lot of guff just because of the age difference. I'd make another thread similar to this one asking "Why the hate for Drakkim?" but that would be pointless since we all know the age difference is the reason. And no offense, but I personally don't think it's a very good reason. Actually, the age difference between Kim and Drakken is only the thing that sets that particular pairing apart from Kim/Shego. As I said previously, my biggest hangup involving these pairings is how different Kim is from Shego and Drakken. I do not mean favorite color different, or they like different styles of music kind of different. I mean important differences, things like Drakken and Shego are evil and Kim is good. Drakken wants to rule the world; Kim, on the other hand, wants to stop him. Then there is the fact that Drakken and Shego are always trying to kill Kim. That certainly cannot bode well for a relationship. Just ask Charlie MacKenzie what it is like to be with someone trying to kill you. Dimension Twist was an episode that stemmed from Drakken coming up with a scheme to shoot Kim Possible with a laser beam. Crush was devoted entirely to Drakken and Shego trying to kill her. I know, I know, they were trying to make her disappear, but the end result would have been the same as if they had outfitted Kim with a pair of cement swimming shoes and tossed her into the East River. So it is fairly safe to say that Drakken and Shego do not like Kim at all. While I am no expert at dating by any stretch of the imagination, I am fairly certain that in order for two people to have a successful, happy and long-lasting relationship, they need to be able to at least tolerate each other. Since both pairings are similar, Drakken being in his early forties while Kim is eighteen for the fourth season is the tiebreaker. I am going to be perfectly honest; If my eighteen year old daughter came home with a man in his early forties, this is how it would go down: Daughter: Daddy meet my new boyfriend! Dude: Hi, I am... Me: just leaving. Dude: What? Me: Dude, you have a choice. Three seconds from now you can be safe and sound outside of my house and you never see my baby girl again, or in four seconds I will introduce you to a world of pain you never knew existed. It is your choice. One...
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Post by nabusan on Mar 21, 2008 22:55:57 GMT -5
Being a homosexual myself, I'm pretty much obligated to stand by the ideal of Kigo. I'm fairly liberal minded and support the right of any person to ship who they want - whether it's a slash ship or even a ship involving Rufus/Roachie! When debating a ship, you should always be on the defence not the offence. eg. stating arguments why your ship would work - not why the other ship would not. It's common sense for a healthy and democratic forum.
Homophobia seems to be the biggest reason against a slash ship like Kigo. In fact, whether you like it or not - saying you're against Kigo pretty much impliedly says you're against homosexuality ...unless you say otherwise by, for example, saying you don't like the ship 'cause you don't see it working due the hero/enemy thing. I couldn't give a rats arse about Kigo - no offence. I'll say there's an arguable case for it based on Stop Team Go, but I won't go so far as to say there's enough for concrete canon. But that's if you're concerned with canon. From a purely fan ship POV where evidence isn't a priority, it's all good! But though I don't care about Kigo, I do care about what it stands for - and that's gay relationships. The moment someone says they're against Kigo for the gay aspect gets nothing but pity from me 'cause they're getting left behind in an every changing forward-thinking world. Religious attitudes I can somewhat tolerate, 'cause it's entirely possible to be against homosexuality without being homophobic. But people get so utterly riled up about it that they start spouting prejudiced bigoted garbage - that's when I draw the line. I'd do exactly the same if someone was against a Monique/Ron ship 'cause they don't approve of transracial relationships. That kind of thinking is obviously wrong and frowned on, and so is homophobia.
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Post by slicknickshady on Mar 22, 2008 0:04:48 GMT -5
I make no bones about the fact I strongly dislike Kigo, but I will leave it alone and simply not partake of the sub-genre. Co-sign. I make no bones about saying I HATE it. I have a homosexual cousin so nobody can make a claim I hate it because i'm a homophobe. I have no problem with homosexuals. I Hate it because.... (A) It's not Canon (B) TPTB say Kim & Ron will be together forever (C) Kim's Straight I believe these are all reasons to justify hating it. I Hate the fact that even one person in the world could like it. With all this said we have gone through this many times. Thats why I think it's funny you are starting this thread Alex. It's like you want to cause trouble and start something. It just seems strange to me. It's like you want to try to get peoples warning bars up so they can get banned. You tell them them that the creators (who should know best about it) said that something like KiGo never existed in the show and they tell you to shut the funk up, call you hompohobic and start flaming. I hate when they do this. They think the only reason people hate them is homophobia. They can't imagine another reason why people HATE it. My reasons for hating it are justifiable.
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Post by yvj on Mar 22, 2008 0:22:50 GMT -5
Allow me to generalize Top five reasons why Kigo gets the most hate.1) Homophobia or disapproval of homosexuality (For the record this is not even on my list) 2) The insistence of the existence of subtext. (Very close second) 3) Downplaying of Ron. (See Ron's nonexistence in some Kigo fics)/ Ron bashing & Downplaying of Drakken. 4) Downplaying of K/R relationship-----K/R aspect to the show-------Downplaying of D/S aspect to the show. 5) A few of the more vocal Kigo fans have expressed that they do not even like the show and are only in the fandom for Kigo and or have taken shots at the creators. *Paul Shaffer band plays*
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Post by The Yetimonster on Mar 22, 2008 0:55:38 GMT -5
Any dislike I have of KiGo is the result of the people shipping the characters, not the characters themselves being together.
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Post by Ninnik Nishukan on Mar 22, 2008 7:36:41 GMT -5
Allow me to generalize Top five reasons why Kigo gets the most hate.3) Downplaying of Ron. (See Ron's nonexistence in some Kigo fics)/ Ron bashing. 4) Downplaying of K/R relationship-----K/R aspect to the show When it comes to this, my impression has been that Drakken is even more often pushed aside/gets the even shorter end of the stick in that deal. He's often stuck as the antagonist or is just forgotten. He seems to be either super evil and nuts or a moron. Didn't you admit that once when I talked to you here at RS Net last year, Alex? I think it was you, I can't quite remember. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I think it was a conversation about how Kigoers were accused of treating Ron unfairly in fanfics, and you said you liked Ron as a character (I know you like Drakken, too) and made examples of fics where he wasn't just disregarded or put in a bad light-- but even you agreed that Drakken didn't get the same respect in Kigo fics.
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Post by Ninnik Nishukan on Mar 22, 2008 7:57:49 GMT -5
PS: I've seen KiGo art whilst looking up D/S stuff, too. Why would someone label a KiGo dA 'Drakken Shego'? That perplexes me. They put 'drakken' in there so they'll get more hits. I guess I can't really complain since I write 'ron stoppable kim possible' in my search words when I post fan art at dA. Yeah, I'm a jerk. >___> In any case, what annoys me the most is really the lack of D/S fanfics at FF Net. Compared to FF Net, dA has a fair share of D/S. I see that several others have mentioned the fact that there has been too much Kigo at FF Net lately. Like I said, too much of anything gets annoying. People like variety. I'd even be annoyed if there were too many D/S fics, because chances are that about 75% of them would be crapfics, anyway. I'd rather have a handful of really good D/S fics on a somewhat regular basis than ten crappy D/S fics every day. I care about pairings, but I care about good writing even more. I don't read just anything only because it's D/S.
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Post by drakkensgurl on Mar 22, 2008 8:23:45 GMT -5
HERE IS MY OPINION: I always thought KiGo was the most popular ship ever... Because I littlebit ship it. No, jk. XD But half the shippers ship it because of the abnormalities: They are both the same gender, and somehow similar in the most different ways. The reason people don't ship it is because, well, some of them, think of the part about "being it canon" and "how they hate women-love." I, for one, don't ship it. It's an on-off thing, but it's permanently off. I just like the captions and fanart. More of days I will ship it, because of my dislike of D/S. (SORRY TO BRING IT UP, I KNOW, I AM PUTTING AN OPINION.) I'd rather have Kim with Shego than Drakken. But enough about me. Once more, to bring up, I also ship DraKim more than KiGo.
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Post by CJS: The Last Fender Bender on Mar 22, 2008 8:47:36 GMT -5
My lack of fondness for Kigo stems from the fact that I'm not fond of slash pairings in general. Of course, that doesn't stop me from having caption fun. What drives me to make a stand (or at least make captions) for ships I'm not fond of is the fact that there's too much hate centered around shipping already, and someone's got to make smartass social commentary about it. I agree with Mr. Potty in that I view pairings from a more humorous standpoint, and I get bugged by the flaming and fights that occur because of shipping. With all this said we have gone through this many times. Thats why I think it's funny you are starting this thread Alex. It's like you want to cause trouble and start something. It just seems strange to me. It's like you want to try to get peoples warning bars up so they can get banned. Alex is a pretty calm and reasonable person who does not go out of his way to cause trouble. I don't mind if you hate Kigo for the reasons you stated, but do not question Alex's intent on this issue. That type of generalization and intolerance for other people makes you out to be worse than your supposed enemies.
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Post by Fusion Fox on Mar 22, 2008 8:59:57 GMT -5
Allow me to generalize Top five reasons why Kigo gets the most hate.This looks very similar to my post back on page one ;D I still don't quite understand, hopefully somebody here could enlighten me, how people can use words like 'hate' to describe this ship, and dislike it because it goes against their own favorite ship. Or how people can become so totally invested in something like this. Don't get me wrong, I really like KP. There other shows too that I like even more, in which there are couples I'd like to be together and couples I wouldn't like together. It's just me having an opinion on a show. But I know other people are going to have other opinions, and others will even dislike the show I enjoy. Does that bother me? Not really, they're allowed an opinion too. They're allowed to like what they want in the same way I am. It is just a tv show after all, there are things in life I worry more about.
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Post by eclogite on Mar 22, 2008 9:05:48 GMT -5
I find the whole shipping phenomenon rather curious and don't really get worked up over any of them. The humor, stylistics and adventure of the show have always been the sole source of my interest. ...left behind in an every changing forward-thinking world........ I'm wondering about the reasoning behind this statement, explain please (no real stance, just wondering about the genisis of foreward thinking)?
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Post by Ninnik Nishukan on Mar 22, 2008 9:17:17 GMT -5
I still don't quite understand, hopefully somebody here could enlighten me, how people can use words like 'hate' to describe this ship, and dislike it because it goes against their own favorite ship. Or how people can become so totally invested in something like this. Don't get me wrong, I really like KP. There other shows too that I like even more, in which there are couples I'd like to be together and couples I wouldn't like together. It's just me having an opinion on a show. But I know other people are going to have other opinions, and others will even dislike the show I enjoy. Does that bother me? Not really, they're allowed an opinion too. They're allowed to like what they want in the same way I am. It is just a tv show after all, there are things in life I worry more about. I agree. There are very few things even in real life that I'd use the word 'hate' about unless I was joking, and something like a pairing of cartoon characters by people on the internet certainly isn't something that I'd waste my time actually hating. 'Pet peeve' is the strongest expression I'd use to describe something like that. Unless the people from another ship attacked me personally or my friends while we were having fun with our ship, I don't see why I should bother them; they can like what they like and it's NONE of my business. And even if somebody attacked me, then it wouldn't be the ship itself that would bother me, but the people shipping it. It would be a few individuals being rude, it wouldn't be the ship itself attacking me. I'd never make a hate thread or a hate page for a pairing. I just want to have fun with my friends.
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Post by Levelord on Mar 22, 2008 9:54:11 GMT -5
Being a homosexual myself, I'm pretty much obligated to stand by the ideal of Kigo. I'm fairly liberal minded and support the right of any person to ship who they want - whether it's a slash ship or even a ship involving Rufus/Roachie! When debating a ship, you should always be on the defence not the offence. eg. stating arguments why your ship would work - not why the other ship would not. It's common sense for a healthy and democratic forum. Homophobia seems to be the biggest reason against a slash ship like Kigo. In fact, whether you like it or not - saying you're against Kigo pretty much impliedly says you're against homosexuality ...unless you say otherwise by, for example, saying you don't like the ship 'cause you don't see it working due the hero/enemy thing. I couldn't give a rats arse about Kigo - no offence. I'll say there's an arguable case for it based on Stop Team Go, but I won't go so far as to say there's enough for concrete canon. But that's if you're concerned with canon. From a purely fan ship POV where evidence isn't a priority, it's all good! But though I don't care about Kigo, I do care about what it stands for - and that's gay relationships. The moment someone says they're against Kigo for the gay aspect gets nothing but pity from me 'cause they're getting left behind in an every changing forward-thinking world. Religious attitudes I can somewhat tolerate, 'cause it's entirely possible to be against homosexuality without being homophobic. But people get so utterly riled up about it that they start spouting prejudiced bigoted garbage - that's when I draw the line. I'd do exactly the same if someone was against a Monique/Ron ship 'cause they don't approve of transracial relationships. That kind of thinking is obviously wrong and frowned on, and so is homophobia. *raises hand for a high five*
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Post by danman007 on Mar 22, 2008 10:40:48 GMT -5
Hate is a strong word. I would say though I don't like KiGo. The reason being its out of character for both Kim and Shego, and I don't see nor find any subtexts that suggest otherwise in the show. If your looking for it you will find it. I view their hero/villain relationship as in Shego wanting to be the one to destroy/eliminate Kim because I think Shego sees Kim as in representing a different outcome of her life if she remain on the good side with her brothers. In riding Kim out of her life she would rectify the decisions she has made. The end of Stop Team Go, to some its a KiGo shippers dream, I have view in the way Shego express regret of her life decisions. In that same episode she fought along side her brothers again as an effective unit much like Kim and Ron are together. That is my reason for not liking the ship and how I view the hero/villain dynamics of Kim and Shego.
I know some don't like it for other reasons such as the intolerance for it due to it almost being shove in your face.
Alex is a reasonable guy and I would like to hear his reason for liking the pair, I would like to know his opinions on it. I know he may have express it in the past but I would like to hear it.
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Post by Luke Danger on Mar 22, 2008 10:54:11 GMT -5
I'll admit it, I used to hate it, but now I've gotten to the point I'll ignore it. If the KiGo fans want peace, I'll give it to them. It's a lot better then pointing guns loaded with flame posts at eachother, I'll tell you that.
So, as several people said, if you don't like KiGo, or can't be civilized it describing WHY you don't like it, then just leave the thread alone, ignore KiGo fanfics/Fanarts, remember, just because it's there doesn't force you do read/look at it.
That being said, let's just let people do their own thing unless it directly harms another person, or will cause harm. It's tough to justify, but just keep an open mind.
Edit/disclaimer: I am neither defending nor attacking any ship in this post. I am saying we should just leave eachother alone regarding what ship we like. Unless it's the same one, then it would be fine to chat with them about it, because its a common intrest.
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Post by vampirenaomi on Mar 22, 2008 11:22:54 GMT -5
I don't hate Kigo, but the pairing simply doesn't interest me enough to actively search stuff for it. I will read it if it's part of an otherwise interesting fic, but that's it. I'm not quite sure why I feel so apathetic towards it, especially since I like Monkey Fist/Ron, a pairing that makes about a dozen times less sense.
I guess part of my problem is that I've yet to see a story that portrayed the characters the way I see them. My earliest Kigo experiences featured Shego the jealous witch who was ready to beat up or verbally attack anyone who even looked at Kim the wrong way or Shego coming onto Kim despite her protests because "You know you want it". I'm sure there are well written Kigo stories out there, I just lack the interest to read them.
That said, I don't really understand how someone can hate any pairing with passion. I mean, this is just fandom. Kim Possible and whatever other people ship is not the most important thing in the world.
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Post by nabusan on Mar 22, 2008 13:42:00 GMT -5
I find the whole shipping phenomenon rather curious and don't really get worked up over any of them. The humor, stylistics and adventure of the show have always been the sole source of my interest. ...left behind in an every changing forward-thinking world........ I'm wondering about the reasoning behind this statement, explain please (no real stance, just wondering about the genisis of foreward thinking)? Well with regard to the gay aspect, forward thinking would involve increasing social change in how we recognise gay people, affording them more rights through marriage and adoption and generally ending any prejudice against them based on their sexual preference. Whereas backward thinking would see gay people burnt at the stake.
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