I meant generally, but that works too.
Oh. Okay. So I wrote all that crap for nothin'?
Apparently, you did write all that crap for nothing, but this is kind of interesting.
It wouldn't have mattered to me whether it was a boy or a girl.
I'm against child exploitation altogether. It's one of the few real squicks I have.
I feel the same way. Everytime I watch
Cartman Joins NAMBLA, I get a weird disgusted feeling. Or hear what went on after Big Gay Al was sacked and replaced in
Cripple Fight (one of the MANY REASONS I HATE that episode and will not watch it: also because Kyle doesn't appear and because of that awful fight at the end). Or seeing those child pagent things (Nemo has shown me pictures of child pagent girls and I was outraged). I mean, I heard enough about little Jonbenet Ramsey for a lifetime.
Kyle, deep? I don't see it.
I just see a cute, funny kid who occasionally says clever things.
That's fine that you feel that way. We agree to disagree, and that's cool.
No, I'm not saying that you should be attracted to "hot" people.
"Hot" is a pretty relative thing.
I just don't think "hot" should apply to little kids, whether they're real or not.
But while we're on the subject of "hot" people...
I'll give you Mario Lopez and even Keira Knightley (although she's a bit scrawny for my taste), but Paris Hilton? *shudders*
Then again, you're talking to someone who once had a two-year crush on Rick Moranis, so who am I to judge? *shrugs*
At least he's funny.
I've never said Kyle was hot (at least to my immediate knowledge). I usually say cutesy words about him about what he looks like, cute, adorable. I say that about all of the kids, "OH MY GOD, THEY ARE SOOO
CUTE!" Because, really, he is just cute. Feels kinda weird saying Kyle is hot. At least without being kind of facetious
Yes, you have authoritah (neener) to give me crap for Paris Hilton crushing, which is just superficial. I mean, I still think she's an awful person and completely agree with what Mr. Slave says at the end of
Stupid Spoiled Wh0re Video Playset,
"Being spoiled and stupid and whorish is supposed to be a bad thing, remember? Parents, if you don't teach your children that people like Paris Hilton are supposed to be despised, where are they gonna learn it? You have to be the ones to make sure your daughters aren't looking up to the wrong people." And Mario is very gorgeous. I wish I knew Spanish so I can say that in Spanish. LOL.
How about in French? Mario Lopez est tres beau.
So we agree on this... Looks aren't everything.
And if someone who can hold a deep meaningful conversation with you is what you're looking for, I hope you find it one day.
Thanks.
All I can say to all of this is...
South Park isn't that serious. It's not that deep.
Funny? Yes. Clever? Sometimes. Deep? No.
Not to me, anyway.
If you get something deep and meaningful out of Kyle's speeches, that's fine.
It's just that I recall the absurd circumstances under which most of those quotes were said and what the other characters responses were and find it hard to take them that seriously.
Over 10 years ago (has it really been that long?), I was a huge SP fan when it came out and used to watch it every week.
Now, I'm generally indifferent to it. If I happen to catch an episode that doesn't turn me off with shock humor (which is pretty rare these days), I usually enjoy it. Violence for the sake of it seems to be a permanent thing now on SP and it's not something I particularly like.
BTW, I have a feeling you're not gonna like my overall impression of Imaginationland.
We'll agree to disagree here. Most of this is just relative.
That's perfectly fine. You don't have to have any feelings towards SP. We can be friends and not like the same stuff. I like to watch the show because it makes me laugh, can sometimes make me cry (sometimes for no reason), want to slap Cartman or another character (usually Randy or Garrison and on the very, very rare occasion Stan, Kyle, Butters), is sometimes really fun to watch (I can't help but just giggle insanely whenever they have misadventures), it sometimes helps me cope with real life (I mean,
Osama Bin Laden Has Farty Pants really helped me cope with 9/11 especially given that when that happened I was just a scared 13 y/o) and sometimes I can learn something (For example, I mean, I do not eat veal, eggs, lamb, or any sort of baby animal meat because of
Fun With Veal).
It just works for me. It provides what KP was not able to provide to me due to certain limitations. I understand it may not work for you. I mean, my mom likes Survivor and most reality shows, I don't.
We don't feel the same way and that's cool. I don't believe how a person feels about a show, book, hobby, anything should be shaped about how other people feel and say about it. (If I did that, I probably wouldn't read Harry Potter for fear of going to Hell like I've heard some crazy Christians say; or I certainly would have stopped watching KP after the first person made a crack about it.) You know what I mean? I mean, I give my grandma and mom crap for watching certain reality tv shows all the time (Wife Swap and Survivor respectively), and they still watch it. My grandma and I both give my mom crap for watching MASH, and she's still watching it.
I have noticed more violence, yes, for example, in
Imaginationland (which I'm sure you didn't like, but that's all right, too), I found the violence kind of messed up, but I actually wasn't watching for that part, I was watching for the Cartman and Kyle character arc. And, to see if they actually succeeded in saving Imaginationland. I could have gone without the Internet Stars killing each other in
Canada On Strike, so I get what you mean. I won't lie though that the Woodland Critters do scare me. It's surprising I've never had nightmares about them (but I have had nightmares about the T-Rex in Jurassic Park - even more so because I was a teenager!)
I'm actually not offended by violence that often anymore, or violence, period, I mean, is it worse than what we see on the news all the time? I mean, I don't even react to any of the bad news nowadays (unless it has to do with animals, in which case, I probably will cry). I suppose that that's where our age difference comes into play. My generation is used to violence. I grew up in the age of
Power Rangers, school shootings, terrorist attacks, and
Grand Theft Auto. I've been desensitized to violence (and sex to a great extent)*, and I know that sucks. I think the only time violence ever bothered me in South Park was in
Cripple Fight. That fight is horrible, I can't even watch that episode all the way through (very rare that I will).
Though, I can understand what you're saying. I HATE slasher flicks. It's probably why I don't watch most horror movies. When I see a movie, I want to be able to relax, not cry in fear. (Which is my reasoning for not seeing Snakes on a Plane yet, even though I want too.) Kenny dying all the time back in the old days of the show is part of the reason I was so surprised when I nearly cried watching
Imaginationland Episode II (when Kyle is dead, and Cartman's yelling at him and doing CPR). And that was before I got my crush on him. I was so shocked that I could be emotionally attached to a cartoon character on a show where one of the characters died regularly for the first 5 seasons.
I do get really upset when they show corpses on television (on the news) or in pictures. I was so outraged, for example, when several news places were showing pictures of James Brown in his casket. And I still hope that the tape that showed Steve Irwin's death was destroyed. But, actual violence in movies, etc doesn't really bother me. Unless somebody is getting the crap kicked out them (I really hate that). But, usually, it's because I care about the character (seeing Romeo get kicked up by Tybalt in the '96 version of Romeo & Juliet annoys me a great deal). I understand where you're coming from. And of course, I've only seen The Passion of the Christ twice, because it was far too violent even for me. If you saw
Passion of the Jew, my general reaction was like Kyle, except no anxiety about being Jewish. I can't handle watching The Passion at all. It's too much violence, blood, and gore even for me.
I still don't like toilet humor. Stuff like
More Crap (Season 11), or seeing Butters get crapped on by dogs in
Good Times With Weapons makes me wanna puke, and most of the things with Mr. Hankey are lost on me. Though, I appreciate Mr. Hankey's spirit. I'd rather not see 8/9 year olds holding a piece of crap, though.
And asofar as the serious thing, I don't watch South Park because it's serious. I watch it because it isn't. Though I do enjoy when they play something off as super-duper serious, even if it's not. I don't like serious shows. I watched Commander-In-Chief for it's full run and it was too dramatic and serious for my taste. Though, I don't mind when I'm on the edge of my seat, actually caring what happens - every so often, that is.
With a cute butt.
Yeah, and for a moment I thought you meant Kyle, so I was prepared to say something like "Bebe first said so in
Clubhouses" LOL. Haha, yeah, cute butts are always nice, which is funny because I kind of detest butts for some reason.
I know.
All I know is if anyone touches my niece or nephew, they will feel my wrath (if their mom and dad don't get to 'em first:).
Yeah, same here. I feel the same way. Anyone touches my cousins, and I'm gonna go after them.
Okay. Fair enough.
I think all I was saying was that you licking theoretical honey off a fictional 9 year-old in his boxers creeped me out. Even knowing Kyle isn't real, the mental image of you doing that squicked me. As a friend I feel the need to say, "Ash, WTF, dude?" Stuff like that creeps me the eff out. It just felt wrong not to speak up, y'know?
Yeah, I know. I can 100 percent see where you're coming from, there, and I can see how it was effed up. It is kinda weird. I apologize for weirding you out. I value what my friends think.
This may seem like an odd thing to say, but I'm glad it made you feel weird to think about it. I'd be worried if it didn't.
Yeah, I know.
Off topic but... This is going to sound weird, but after hearing Cartman voice his opinion since at least season 4 of Kyle wanting to get AIDS (
Cartman Joins NAMBLA, Red Man's Greed,
Woodland Critter Christmas, and a few others), I'm actually glad that he did have the opportunity to give Kyle AIDS earlier in Season 12,
Tonsil Trouble (Spoiler warning:
AIDS was cured at the end). At least I won't have to hear him say something like that again.
It's all relative, I guess. Only two out of those four do anything for me.
*sighs dreamily* Will.
*remembers a shirtless Will Smith doing pull-ups in "I am Legend"*
*swoons*
*sighs* Stephen.
*thinks of Stephen Colbert at the 2006 White House Correspondents' Association Dinner roasting Dubya, zones out*
God, I love satire. *shakes head*
Sorry... What was I talking about?
Oh, right. I was trying to figure out what you think is hot about Paris
that scrawny praying mantis-faced racist stupid spoiled whore.
Ah, I guess it could be worse. You could be saying Ann Coulter's hot. Or Justin Timberflake.
*dry heave*
I think I'm gonna be sick.
I do love Will and Stephen. And I'm not sure what in Hell attracts me to Stephen. But, apparently it works for me, because I have had naughty dreams about him. Sometimes I'm attracted to somebody and not know why. I mean, I have a thing for the Weasley twins of the Harry Potter and I don't have a reasonable explanation at ALL. Maybe it's Paris's blue eyes. I dunno. I have no reasonable explanation.
Ew... Ann Coulter... I may vomit. *gags for several minutes before gaining composure* And, I said Paris was hot, but that hardly means I like her as a person. I, for example, I think Cartman is funny, but do you think I like him as a person? Hell to the no! Are you crazy? He's the exact opposite of everything I believe in and hold dear. But that doesn't mean I can't think he's funny. I'm sure if I met Cartman in real life, I'd want to slap him so hard. I think Bush is funny but I don't like him (I love that he told the Pope "Awesome speech").
Linus Van Pelt better watch out for you, then. He's one smart kid and is as deep and philosophical as any fictional little kid can be.
See, I can't forget how old they are. They look like cute little boys to me.
Linus is adorable. I do love Peanuts as well, and still read them to this day (in fact after I finish this, I'm going to go read the comics). I'm a Lucy/Charlie shipper -- almost 5 years now.
Yeah, I know. I do see them them as cute little boys about 95 percent of the time.
Matt and Trey are both about my age (mid to late 30's?) so of course Kyle is going to sound eloquent when they want him to. Most of the time he talks and acts like a little kid. All the SP kids have moments like that. Then they revert back to being kids.
They also are a lot like the "Peanuts" kids. They had huge vocabularies and sometimes were wise beyond their years. If I recall correctly, Peanuts was an early influence on SP's creation.
And Peanuts is talked about in
A Very Crappy Christmas.
And, I can see what you're saying Stan, Kyle, Cartman, and Kenny are kids. You said it enough times. LOL. I was gonna say something smartassy but nah...
And as for them saying something deep and then going right back to being potty-mouthed 9 year olds? Isn't that how most television shows are? Something crazy happens and then at the end, it's all good? I recall shows like Power Rangers where Angel Grove is destroyed by the monster and then the very next episode, it's okay. In KP,
Stop Team Go, Shego was good for a while, and by the end of that episode and the next episode, she was back to normal, and nothing really changed. Don't we all care about Bonnie in
Bonding a bit and then go back to hating her when that episode ends? I know I do. What about Prince Wally, he got the Class Presidency at the end of
Royal Pain, we never see him again. Or in
All The News? Whatever happened to The Ron Report. That had marketablity. I mean, the only show I can think of with a relatively pretty good story arc following that actually works when you think about it, is Scrubs. I mean, at the end of season... 2 I think, Cox clocks Kelso in the nose, and in the next episode, that next season, everyone can hear him breathing. I'll go with either way. I do like a nice storyline, but if there's no continuity I can deal with that (do NOT, I repeat, do not get me started on continuity errors in The Golden Girls that include their children's names, the ages of their children, and how long they lived in that house together). I'm okay with that kind of stuff and, seeing as it's tv, and the average (read: casual) television viewer has the attention span of a goldfish... so, as a result, there's no continuity in most shows.
I mean, really, if the show (read: the boys) was/were deep all the time, talking about philosophical ideas all the effing time, that would BORE the crap out of me. I've read books about philosophy, it bores me at some point and I LOVE philosophy! Crazy stuff going down, then a nice little gem about "what they learned today" and then the episode ending happily.. that works for me.
I wasn't worried about Panther. If I was, I would have said something.
I don't even think I'm worried about you. I just found that sitch... off-putting.
Now that I think about it, I've only said something
one other time. Even then, Panther seemed worried about you. She can correct me if I'm wrong, of course, but that was my impression.
Yeah, I completely understand. And, I got that impression from her too. Sometimes I do act a little crazy fangirl-y about the boys, which I recognize and I try to keep it in rein, but I do get a little out of control sometimes. But, at least I keep it in mostly my head. Which is probably best.
Given the wide variety of 'ships on this board, I have a feeling there's a very small minority of hardcore K/R shippers who would hold that against you.
I know. That's okay. I don't care. But, I won't say "it's just a cartoon" because my mum once said that when I told her how I cried first viewing of
Tonsil Trouble and I was very offended. Cartoons and other fictional things (Harry Potter, a huge deal) have greatly affected my life (Kp to a huge extent, and some South Park; actually, the first time I ever saw a major sex scene was in South Park:
Proper Condom Use (Mackey/Choksondik), but that could be blamed on the awful sex edu in Texas). I could go on a rant forever about that remark.
BTW, believe it or not (and I'm pretty sure I've said this before but I'll repeat it), if the end of StD had ended with Kim and Ron as friends and S4 had resumed with the two of them happily dating other people, I would have been happy with that.
And when I say happily with other people, I mean remaining friends and maintaining healthy romantic relationships with other people without secretly pining over each other.
Kim and Ron's friendship is the most important aspect of their relationship, with or without the girlfriend/boyfriend stuff. The best part of K/R is that they not only love each other, they like each other, too.
I understand. I don't know if I can agree, but I can appreciate fully what you are saying. It would be interesting to see how that would have worked out.
Yeah, I agree. I valued their friendship a lot. It's one of the top five reasons I watched the show (Kim's season 1-3 mission outfit was actually in the top five as well). I like shows about friends. That's why most of my favorite shows will be about a couple of friends (W&G, Scrubs, SP, Golden Girls) having adventures and whatnot. I must say this... that some point in Season 4, the bf/gf-ness did get old for me. It was great to see them together, but, I dunno, it kind of ruined the show. Maybe it's because I expected so much and had this huge level of expectation, or something.
Will/Grace 'shipping. Oh, yeah, I remember you ship that.
A gay man and a straight woman in a romantic relationship. Yep, that's healthy.
I know it will never work out, and I don't care. I'll still ship something even if it has a snowball's chance in Hell. I mean, I ship Kyle/Cartman and I know FULL well that probably would never work out at all.
I can dream can't I?
J.D. and Turk? If they weren't so into women, I bet they'd be gay for each other.
Definitely. J.D.'s already thisclose to being gay. In one episode, Carla says to them that she has dreams of them running away together, and J.D.'s all like "Where do we go?" and Turk's like, "One time we went to Aspen." And plus, there's Guy Love, which is a great song.
I know this will seem weird coming from someone who's written K/R smutty fluff, but some relationships are best as best friends.
It doesn't always have to be a romantic or sexual thing.
I agree. Maybe it's just an ideal from watching KP so much for 4 years, but I always wanted to have a guy best friend and then we end up becoming more than friends. Yeah, that's definitely a KP ideal. KP forever warped my mind.
I'm kind of an idealist. I'm young, so it's to be expected.
Exactly.
That's all I meant to do.
Yeah.
Even now, as I get ready to post this, I'm adding more stuff and fixing typos n' crap.
Hopefully after messing around with this, this makes some sense.
It made a lot of sense to me. And this time around, I'm not going to mess around fixing typos. This already took a long time to write, like plus an hour (the time stamp on this page I'm on is 9:34 am and it is now 10:40 am). And I'm still editing some 8 hours later (5:14 pm now). And I'm doing yet another edit nearly 24 hours after this is posted. I'm sure if I hadn't stopped myself 12 hours after I posted that first post, I would have kept doing it for 2 weeks. LOL. I'm a perfectionist. LOL.
I know I did.
Unless you've confessed to thinking Paris is hot in your own thread or your blog, I think your secret shame is pretty safe. I doubt a lot of people read my "Ask Me" thread, anyway. If they do, it's news to me.
If I was harsh about your Paris Hilton crush, I didn't mean to be. It's just a knee jerk reaction.
'Cause it's Paris friggin' Hilton.
Paris Hilton??? *gags* I must admit, that after seeing you go after me for that worse than Cartman going after Kyle for being a Jew, I was getting really annoyed. Not that I'm comparing you to Cartman, it's just the best example I have, next to Draco calling Hermione a Mudblood in the HP series.
And I guess it is kinda a secret shame, that's sort of not secret. I have no problem with saying it without first being apologetic for it. I like Britney Spears music, even now... but I will be apologetic for it. Usually I'll be like, "I know this is SO lame, but..." But, yeah, I know, Paris is a nasty skank with lots of venereal diseases, and a horrible person but she's nice to look at sometimes. I try to see stuff with an open mind (of which a remark similar "I like them on some aspect, even if I disagree with them," was kind of a theme through all this)..
For example, I read Mussolini's Doctrine of Fascism this semester. I found it offensive and I disagreed with all that he said, but I still appreciated it. I wrote in the paper for it (for which I got a B+ on) for my conclusion:
In finality, Mussolini’s beliefs are valid when considering the historical background, such as what Italy was going through at the time, and what this time period was like. Of course, if I look at it from my own standpoint, his beliefs are total rubbish and very offensive. But, the way he words it near the end about Fascism is slightly touching and I can see how he can have such love and passion for his beliefs, irregardless of the fact I completely disagree with him, “If every age has its own doctrine, it is apparent from a thousand signs that the doctrine of the present age is Fascism. That it is a doctrine of life is shown by the fact that is has resuscitated a faith. That this faith has conquered minds is proved by the fact that Fascism has had its dead and its martyrs,” (page 169).And yes, I use the word irregardless. I know it's non-standard, and I don't care. I like being a little unorthodox sometimes. Heh.
This was fun, we should do more stuff like this. I love when I end writing a whole lot of stuff...
Me, too.
It's always fun. I do love that about 65 percent of this goes on random tangents. But that's basically how I am. I'll talk about something, which leads down something else.
*On a side note, in early 1998 (like, January) when I wanted to see Titanic, I remember my grandma (who saw the movie before me), was all like, "This one chick bares all!" (paraphrasing), and she told me not to look. And I actually tried not to look! But, then again, my grandma used the "it's a sin" guilt trip, and I was like... 10 at the time.