Post by yes4possible on Oct 13, 2007 22:48:35 GMT -5
Some of these ideas I am hearing, Drakken and Shego are no longer villain characters, but just plan characters. And they don't even have to confront Kim and Ron to be in an episode.
Drakken and Shego are basiclly what Zuko and Iroh are on Avatar, there have been many episodes especially since season 2, in which there is a gAang story line, and a Zuko and / or Iroh storyline. So there would be episodes in which there is a Kim / Ron storyline and a Drakken / Shego storyline, which may or may not interact with each other.
Not criticizing, just breaking it down. I even like that idea.
What I would do is have Drakken and Shego, have to overcome the evil temptation from time to time through out the season.
As hilarious as I think that would be eddybob, I don't see how.
Well, think about it. Rufus has saved Kim and Ron (and the world) more times than you can count, he has MMP (not as much as his master, but still), he has obviously retained some of the brain power Project Pheobus gave him, and he has done many things that is normally impossible for a mole rat (not that a mole rat would do half the things Rufus does). Just like his teammates, Rufus can do anything. I think an evil version of Rufus would be even worse than Zorpox.
Post by sombershadow on Nov 8, 2007 12:21:28 GMT -5
I had a little free time recently, say yes to no sleep, so in effort to liven up this thread, I elected to jot down a possible episode outline detailing the rise and fall of an Evil Kim that popped into my head. Unfortunately for someone like maetch I went the traditional route of only having the original Kim instead of a second naturally evil Kim. Note that this is just a rough outline of a possibility.
Evil Kim Episode Outline:
The episode opens with Drakken on his knees in the corner of his lab throwing miscellaneous items over his shoulder cursing that he cannot find what he needs. He finally locates a portable laser generator and holds it over his head in triumph gloating to Shego that he has completed phase one of his greatest plan ever. Sitting in a chair reading a magazine, Shego makes one of her typical sarcastic comments regarding the successes of his previous 'greatest plans ever'. Drakken ignores her and begins to search another pile in another corner.
Kim and Ron are together in the university library struggling with their math homework. Kim continues to study where Ron has taken to the strategy of repeatedly slamming his head into his math book trying to learn by some form of osmosis. Kim catches Ron's head in her hands, smiles and suggests that they take a break at Bueno Nacho. Ron happily agrees, but still complains about the homework. At Bueno Nacho, Kim forgoes her usual salad in favor of a naco due to frustration over her poor performance. Over the course of the meal Kim and Ron work out their schedule between real dates and math study dates as well as discuss other matters.
At Hench Co. Jack Hench is talking to one of the heads of marketing about their lack of profits and customer retention. Despite all of the trouble caused by Drakken and Electronique, the R&D department was able to replicate the attitudinator, but the main problem is that its effect is too pronounced and the customer becomes too evil for too long reducing repeat business. With the intent of creating a greater profit margin Hench cancels further production of the full-blown attitudinator in favor of an attitudinator-type headband that requires a special battery-based power source that only Hench Co. would supply thus forcing customers to continue to purchase new batteries if they want to keep their evil edge. Of course to encourage sales the headband offers two different settings, the first setting just allows the wearer to think evil and the second setting makes the wearer act evil.
While walking with Monique Kim comments that between college classes, dating Ron and the world saving she has no time to work anymore which means no extra spending money to buy the things she wants. She knows it is shallow, but sometimes she just wants to buy herself something just because she wants it. Ron is sweet buying her the occasional surprise, but he is even more strapped for cash than she is because of the difference in scholarship money they receive.
In an attempt to 'accelerate' the learning process, a montage of Ron trying various quick, yet ultimately unsuccessful fixes is shown ending with him purchasing the new top of the line money back guarantee 'smart headband'. Unfortunately for Ron he accidentally purchases one of Hench Co.'s attitudinator headbands, which were mislabeled and confused with the new 'smart headbands'. Ron tries the first setting when studying on his own and remarkably understands the material perfectly. He quickly finishes his homework in record time, although during the work he is confused by the doomsday device ideas that sporadically pop into his head, but thinks nothing of it.
Drakken gleefully laughs watching as a laser reflects off a unique mirrored alloy shining back on a second piece of metal cloaking it from view. He gloats to Shego that he, Dr. Drakken, has just completed phase two of his greatest plan ever. With a bored look on her face Shego looks up from her magazine and comments that phase two still needs work as she throws an energy shot at the cloaked piece of metal knocking it off of its pedestal. Annoyed by Shego's antics Drakken orders her to acquire a special metal alloy that is necessary to complete his plan. Shego complies after stating that she needed to go out and stretch her legs anyways. Drakken mumbles about how Shego was able to strike the metal.
The next day in class Kim is in shock as Ron actually understands the material and receives a perfect score on his homework while she is still lost. She thinks to herself that Ron or Rufus have not been hit by any genius rays lately, so she questions him and after much prodding he tells her about the headband, but Kim is having a hard time believing that such a quick fix actually worked.
Still struggling, Kim first tries to get Ron to tutor her, but even with his help she just cannot understand the material and Ron begins to freak her out with his occasional doodling of doomsday devices. Determined to uncover exactly how Ron is able to understand the material, she stakes out his room waiting for him to leave on one of his frequent naco runs. Sneaking in, she sees the headband on the desk and decides to try it out just to prove to herself that it can't be the reason behind Ron's newfound intelligence. With the headband still on the first setting she proceeds studying as normal, but notices no change in her ability to understand. Frustrated she amps up the headband setting from one to two, but immediately after she does homework does not seem so important, instead she exits Ron's dorm room and proceeds to the nearest jewelry store.
While returning from his naco run, Ron is flagged down by the assistant manager from the local bookstore, grateful he ran into Ron. He informs Ron about the mix up between Hench's attitudinator and the actual smart headband. He tells Ron that he will make the switch between the products tomorrow if Ron wants. Armed with that new information, Ron begins to connect the dots to why he was having those periodic thoughts about creating doomsday devices. As he walks into his room he is startled when he cannot find the headband. He responds to spying Kim's math book on his desk with only the words "Oh No!"
While breaking into the local jewelry store 'Evil' Kim meets up with Shego with a similar intent, but a different goal. Shego has set her sights on a specific piece of jewelry constructed out of the special alloy that Drakken needs. At first, Shego curses her luck that Kim has somehow been able to anticipate her movements and has arrived to stop her. This opinion changes when 'Evil' Kim begins randomly looting the store including the piece that Shego wants. Shego and 'Evil' Kim engage in battle with 'Evil' Kim winning easily, but Shego is able to acquire her target as 'Evil' Kim simply dismisses it as unimportant because it is not expensive. She also dismisses Shego as a non-factor after Shego's defeat. Thrown off by the viciousness of Kim's assault, Shego retreats with the item. Unfortunately for 'Evil' Kim the ruckus at the store alerts campus security spoiling her 'shopping spree' forcing her to return to the dorms.
While admiring her ill-gotten gains, Ron confronts 'Evil' Kim and is forced into combat. Unable to fight at his full strength for fear of injuring Kim, Ron is soundly defeated, but manages to escape before Kim can finish him off. Ron comes to the reluctant conclusion that 'Evil' Ron will have a better chance at defeating 'Evil' Kim, so he works out a plan with the tweebs where he will become evil to capture Kim and then the tweebs will capture him, so both headbands can be safely removed and destroyed.
Drakken melts down the metal Shego recovered and remolds it as the base for a special prism. Drakken places the prism into his laser that he brags will be able to render his hideout invisible within all spectrums. Shego expresses disappointment in the overall use of the laser in that it is not an actual weapon and questions the probability that Drakken's plan will succeed. Drakken explains that if no one is able to find them then no one will be able to foil his plan to conquer the world. Shego interjects that he will still be able to foil his own plans and didn't he already have an invisible base and the sidekick was still able to find it. Drakken retorts by telling Shego to zip it, this invisibility cloak is full proof. He invites Shego to try and knock down the piece of metal this time, Shego laughs and throws an energy shot to where the metal was before vanishing and the shot ends up singeing the wall instead. Angered Shego fires off another six shots, all which have the same result. Drakken laughs back stating that this cloak is special because it phases the object not just cloaks it, so with this laser no one will ever be able to find his base.
Using a new designer line of clothes imported by Wade from THE Country Club Banana as a lure, 'Evil' Ron executes his plan successfully capturing 'Evil' Kim. The tweebs execute their plan to capture Ron, but fail. The tweebs feign disappointment as Wade sneaks up behind Ron and immobilizes him with the motion deactivator, which was the real plan all along. Kim recovers long before Ron and after lamenting injuring Ron in their previous confrontation, heads off to retrieve what Shego stole and if necessary, stop Drakken.
Unfortunately for Drakken timing is everything and just before he is able to activate his phasing laser Kim and the tweebs arrive on the scene. Kim and Shego engage in combat while the tweebs make for the prism. Drakken and the tweebs engage in a rather humorous fight as Drakken attempts to ensnare the tweebs with his plant powers while the tweebs hold him off using elastic discharge guns (recall Tick Tick Tick) while the more serious combat between Kim and Shego continues. During his 'battle' with the tweebs Drakken is able to successfully activate his phasing cloak hiding his base from the outside world. Ron finally recovers and using a jet pack speeds off to Kim's last location as the communicator's signal has mysteriously vanished. Arriving at the appropriate location a confused Ron unsuccessfully looks for Kim, who is concealed inside the phased base. After a long struggle the tweebs are able to extract the prism from the laser as Kim kicks Shego into the newly solidified wall of the lab. Removing the prism converts the laser from a device that phases to a device that pierces and the laser, still operational, wildly commences cutting through the floor and walls of the lab. Drakken and Shego retreat leaving Kim and her brothers in the crumbling lab. However, finally being able to see the now crumbing lab, Ron pulls Kim and the tweebs to safety.
Jack Hench is talking to one of the heads of marketing, the same one as before, about the poor performance of the attitudinator headband. It appears that the customer base is dissatisfied with the length of battery performance and is unwilling to continue to pay Hench Co.'s price. Hench is noticeably annoyed by the fact that the attitudinator project is failing. Classifying the attitudinator as not worth continuing due to all of the trouble it has caused Hench elects to cut his losses and terminates the project. However, before all of the product can be successfully destroyed a hand originating from the shadows takes possession of a pair of attitudinators.
Back in class the next day Ron drops his head against his desk after looking at another F. Kim tries to cheer him up by showing him her F. She laughs saying that they just have to study harder and this time no shortcuts. Kim and Ron leave their class hand in hand.
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Hey sombershadow, I said before that you can come up with great ideas and that story of yours proves it. Let's hope the writers doing Season Five would come up with a storyline similar to yours. Cause an episode like that could rock big time and prove just how much Kim Possible needs to stick around for a couple of seasons at best.
Episodes like that would make Season Five the best of all KP seasons and would make us craving for Season Six.
Post by Mysteryman on Nov 11, 2007 23:59:01 GMT -5
I tried to think of general ideas for the season instead of specific stories, since things would have to change a lot. There probably won't be a real season 5, but it's fun to think about.
I like the idea of the season starting with a two-parter showing what they do over the break and ending with them entering college. I think the best way to get them together at the same school would be to have Kim tell Ron which one she'd decided on, and then have Ron reveal that her school was the only one that accepted him, so he's stuck going there, meaning they end up at the same school without realizing it. I like that better than one of them just following the other to a college.
I'm not sure what would happen to minor characters like Monique and Bonnie, since it'd be a bit too unrealistic for them to end up at the same school as well. But I do like the idea of Barkin having an identical twin brother who happens to teach there. Their families would be a problem, but I guess they could call and visit home a lot. Wade wouldn't be a problem since they usually didn't see him in person anyway. But you'd have to introduce new characters, like roommates and other students.
Ron's powers would have to be used sparingly or else they'd be too much of a deus ex machina. Some missions involve sneaking around and investigating more than fighting, so there'd be reasons not to show them.
The season could have a running joke about Drakken trying to pull off incredibly minor schemes. Each would be smaller than the last, and Kim would get more and more incredulous that he would bother with them. Then she'd basically scold and embarrass him instead of fighting him. You could also have a running subplot about a dysfunctional romance between Drakken and Shego, which would be a good contrast to the more stable relationship between Ron and Kim.
I'm not sure how to handle Drakken and Shego doing more heroic things. I don't see Drakken really being an active hero. Maybe other villains could find some of his old equipment and try to pull off some of his old plots (after all, he seems to have various lairs around the world), and he'd have to help stop them. Or Ron and Kim could need his advice about a problem. I can see Shego being an active hero, if for no other reason than because she hates the other villains. I don't think it would work for her to rejoin Team Go, since then they'd always have to be together, but she could advise them or something.
Lot of good ideas there Mysteryman. I personally would still like to see Bonnie and Monique and the original Mr. Barkin be added to the same college Kim and Ron go too. I'd like to see Drakken wrestle throughout the whole season of trying to be bad and yet keep coming up with be good. The Ying-and Yang of Drakken and I'd like to see where Drakken and Shego would go together, there is something there. Just like with Kim and Ron.
I mean it's just a tad far fetched that Bonnie and Monique and Mr. Barken would end up in the same college together, but then again it's Disney and it's Kim Possible and it was done on ABC's "Boy meets World" where the majority of the cast stayed on from elementary school to senior high school all the way to college and graduation.
So if it could be done in Boy meets World, then why not in KP?
And if we want to ever even see the possibility of a Season Five we have to let Disney know that. So hopefully those posting ideas here have considered fighting to get those ideas to become reality in an actual Season Five that will happen if we fight for it.
Well, I had a random thought with regards to this the other day, so I figured I'd share...
The basic story is that I was in the chatroom, talking about how I was a little uneasy about where things would go if there were a season 5. Not that I don't have faith in the writers to do a good job, but I'm just one of those people who has trouble with things they can't see themselves. So I was musing about how having a really serious romantic relationship between Drakken and Shego would sort of interfere with how they act around each other somewhat, for instance it'd be a little harder for Shego to be kinda cruel and sarcastic towards Drakken if we're supposed to buy that she actually has feelings for him and isn't covering them up ala the third-grade method of concealment. Though, you know, they could also just have the single most awkward romance ever and it would probably work...
Anyway, I/we got off on the whole "is Drakken going to officially turn good now?" question, and it occurred to me, if the fans aren't sure, wouldn't it be interesting if Drakken -himself- wasn't sure? So here's my thought:
Drakken, having now saved the world, feels lost and uncertain of his purpose in life. He's achieved -a- victory, a first for him, but he's still really failed to take over the world. So, confused, he tries to come to grips with his identity, whether it was more satisfying to successfully save the world than failing at taking it over, etc. Shego is, of course, absolutely no help. And so, our beloved, blue, beflowered evil mastermind turns to... self-help books! Dun dun dun! *Insert -lots- of jokes involving bizarre philosophical nonsense.* However, Drakken's seeking of self-betterment rapidly runs up a bill which he realizes he's going to have trouble paying without various criminal activities to draw upon for funding. Being on volume... I dunno, 21 or so of a 30 volume set of self-help books which guarantee that he will discover his purpose in life by the end of the series, he is left with no recourse but to steal the remaining volumes. This actually rekindles his love of villainy, thus making the self-help books themselves moot. And so the status quo is maintained! This could theoretically take place over several episodes as a sub-plot, or they could actually make a Drakken-centric episode and have Kim and Ron show up just long enough to remark that nothing interesting is going on with them as a sort of fourth wall-breaking joke (that would actually work in the ending credits or something).
The main reason I like Drakken returning to villainy is... there's not much call for him on the side of justice, you know? If he and Shego stopped acting as antagonists and started acting as allies they'd be likely to appear -about- as often as... well... any of the other assorted crime fighters in the KP universe besides Kim and Ron. Which is not very often at all. Plus I don't see much of a change of heart going on in Graduation, to be honest; it definitely had more of an "enemy of my enemy" feel to it. After all, Drakken can't conquer the world appropriately if someone else already beat him to it. And anyway, Drakken -is- persistent to a fault... plus if he's still in the evil community there's potential for more things like the end of Graduation to occur, with his colleagues giving him a hard time about saving the world and generally not taking him seriously anymore. Cue peer pressure-themed episode!
And just for the heck of it, I'll restate my previous thought that, although it would be the only thing that they could -possibly- do at this point to make the Season 4 timeline more confusing, if KP is picked back up for a fifth season they could spend some or most of those episodes further fleshing out Kim and Ron's senior year instead of moving on beyond it. They'd have to also do -something- set after Graduation, just because Graduation did leave quite a few loose ends, but if Disney and/or the writers were really desperate to avoid focusing on college life, that allows for the series to not forcibly change much (keeping the supporting cast, keeping the school element, etc.) whereas even setting most of season 5 in the summer after Graduation would lose -something-.
I'm not sure I -like- this idea, but it's an option, and not one that seems to occur to most people, so I thought I'd throw it out there. To be honest, I wouldn't mind having a cartoon set in college just because I'm not sure it's ever really been done, though God knows there are lots of webcomics that focus on college life, and lots of live-action shows move beyond high school into college (and manage to not lose their fanbases, might I add... or at least, they had enough steam to keep going for a while). I would regret the loss of a great deal of the cast, but I guess you could manage to bring a few people, say, Monique, along, without it being too weird, and characters who appear very infrequently anyway, like Felix, could still pop in from time to time when it makes sense for them to do so.
Anyway, just a couple of thoughts. I should probably go through and look at what everyone else has to say, but I don't have the attention span for it at the moment, so... later perhaps I'll have comments on other's ideas.
Ok. Heres' my whole view on what I think would make season 5 cool.
The characters should change a bit visually, like the tweebs did. But , like in the first chase, the change should be very very small. People don't mutate form one year to another . Ron should still have his Monkey Powers but just like before , the writers should keep it something that comes and goes. If he'd be that powerfull all the time it would really mess up the show. He should be given acces to it in times of need, like Graduation. Drakken shouldn't overdo it with his plant powers. I mean Using that branch to destory things from time to time would be cool but constantly using it would really take the show in another direction.
About what timeline the show should focus on? Well I wouldn't mind it beeing in the Summer before College if Disney is adamant about not moving into another demographic area. I mean look at Ed Edd 'n Eddy. Most of the season are about one summer. The two shows aren't exactly comparable but E E n E is a perfect example of a show being only in the summer time.
But the best choice should really be a bout the College years. You know, get Ron and Kim through the whole academic experience. I mean picture this: In the first episode (or even the first couple) Ron and Kim go to different Colleges. Ron winds up in the local Middleton College while Kim goes somewhere like a big UK or France college. Things don't work with them being apart(this is a very short version as I don't feel like making a full story right now) and Kim decides she can study just as well at Middleton College. You can really incorporate all the other characters here really easy actually. Barkin could appear in the Teacher body along with one of his explanations " I felt I've done my part for high school kids and want to put some discipline in you college misfits and...Oh No! Stoppable? What are you doing here! Great." Love it ;D Bonnie could have missed her chance of going to a better college because of that summer school thing. Monique just wanted to be close to her friends..and club Banana and so on. I mean there are huge posibilities for the show to go on in college. Alot of stories and alot of ways to tie in all of the existing characters with them.
A season five would be so cool, but I really think that a shego spinoff would be great too. I think that it should be shego when shoes around kims age, when she is a part of team go, and then maybe there could be a movie when she turns evil.
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