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Post by morefood2001 on Dec 18, 2007 21:30:56 GMT -5
Hello everyone, I have a small idea that I have discussed with leaders of both the Fight for KP and ADJL movements. I have also asked RD about this from the RS staff. We all agree that this should goto a public discussion then general vote. So far, I have not heard much negative talk about this, however if you feel this shouldn't be done, it doesn't have to be As you know, the Fight for Five began here on RS.net! Darth and Chin were the main leaders of the movement, then later elvisjj and I joined. Recently we formed an alliance in the terms of "separate but together" for ADJL and KP. I did not see this together in the least but, other than there are links and a little talk between the leaders of the movements. I am not looking for any merger between FFADJL and FFKP, however I feel that the forum for the Fight for Five movement be moved onto the ffkp website so that website will gain more attention, and more people are likely to read whats going on. Lets face it, I do not recall seeing any mention of ronstoppable.net's forum in the articles that we are working on getting. Its all FFKP.com, and soon to be FFADJL.com. So why am I suggesting we hold a discussion on this? With this move, I would be able to merge the login system between FFADJL and FFKP to where you could register on either site once, and your information and session would carry over between the two sites. In early to mid January, improvments to the website including possible avatar and fan video hosting, email address hosting (@ffadjl.com and @ffkp.com addresses), unlimited emailing using the email program while logged in, etc; for these sites would use the same login. This would also make a common forum section called "the alliance section" which would allow FFKP and FFADJL members mingle without leaving their own forum. This would create a clear "separate but together" movement which I feel everyone wants badly. When I first saw this idea on paper, I saw some potential problems with it. The FFF started on RS.net and we are finally getting attention from the entire forum and it's staff. It would be very hard for many members to want to check both RS (their home) and the new FFF forum regarding the fight. This would also affect many of my friends and even me. In my mind, I am not sure which way you want to take this, but there are a lot of pros and cons to consider. At this point, it is only an idea, and if it is agreed upon (like a few people think it will), it would be implemented shortly after the new year because I would have to make the login system integrated with both forums and the site. I have talked with the other leaders fully and a select few RS fans, and they are behind me, so now its time to hear what everyone thinks! Remember, this is what you think, not what I think. I will take Q and A's if you wish since I probably did not explain this fully! Please and thank you! Booya! Phil
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Post by ArtFan88 on Dec 18, 2007 22:18:39 GMT -5
Personally, I don't think there's really anything to gain by picking up and moving the FFF's forum to a totally new site. The FFF began here, it has it's roots here, and everyone seems most comfortable with it here. I only see major problems forming if, after all this time making a name for itself through this site and it's members, it was suddenly moved somewhere else.
I say keep this forum right where it is. The heart of the FFF is on RS and should remain here.
With regard to media attention, I've noticed that the reason we only see FFKP is because that's all anyone ever mentions. FFKP is important to the cause, but as it stands it's only an informative site. Again, the fight began here on RS. That should be the most important thing to get out there; that this is where it's all coming from.
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Post by The Legend that is KPCrusader on Dec 19, 2007 0:35:38 GMT -5
I agree with Artfan. This is our home, this is our HQ and moving to a different site just wont be the same.
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Post by rd on Dec 19, 2007 0:44:10 GMT -5
I'm gonna sleep on this question and get back to it tomorrow afternoon.
I'm leaning towards a consolidation all of the people in all of the efforts.
RS is here to stay, and isn't going anywhere. Don't worry about that.
We just need to make a spearhead. There are too many naysayers here for my taste.
Good Night.
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Post by morefood2001 on Dec 19, 2007 0:49:17 GMT -5
Hmm, I suppose that I should make a small update and a few other points that I have thought of: I made this pitch somewhat because of professionalism. I didn't really hit on this in my original post because I forgot entirely about it other than the "FFKP is in the news, not RS". I feel that it looks much more professional to the public viewers who goto this site to see a forum that is hosted directly on the site that the main fight is happening at, not off at another site that is hardly affiliated with the fight other than a single thread that was just recently made into a section. Another point is, RS is hosted on proboards. I have looked into this a while back, and I checked again to make sure, however it is impossible to get a backup of a proboards forum even as an administrator of that forum. They do this to make sure you cannot move it to another location to avoid advertisements, including private servers. Therefore, RS's forum will always be stuck here unless someone copies and pastes every topic to their computer, which I doubt that is happening. This is mainly an fyi about archival. Moving it would make the fight much easier to archive Anyways, think on it long and hard. I have talked to a lot of people who have just started showing some negativism to this. Look at both sides of the coin before deciding as Tuc told me (founder of the Season 4 fight on Mission Kim Possible). Its hard for me too because I am not even sure what outweighs the other. Family is a very strong factor when put up against a lot of pros. EDIT: Completely forgot... If the vote does come close, we can have most of the FFKP stuff on the FFKP site while major topics can be copied to this forum, that is just another idea Phil
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Post by Redquill on Dec 19, 2007 0:59:58 GMT -5
I really want to think a lot on this, RS is kind of Like home Sweet Home, but I want what is best for KP
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2007 1:17:22 GMT -5
EDIT: Completely forgot... If the vote does come close, we can have most of the FFKP stuff on the FFKP site while major topics can be copied to this forum, that is just another idea That was a thought running through my head while reading your first post. It would be the most reasonable way to handle things if the move actually happens.
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Post by morefood2001 on Dec 19, 2007 1:25:57 GMT -5
EDIT: Completely forgot... If the vote does come close, we can have most of the FFKP stuff on the FFKP site while major topics can be copied to this forum, that is just another idea That was a thought running through my head while reading your first post. It would be the most reasonable way to handle things if the move actually happens. That was Redquill's idea (Thanks Red!). I just forgot to mention it during that 2n'd post. Personally, I see it happening this way come the new year, but I want to see what everyone else thinks first.
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Post by Comrade_Chin on Dec 19, 2007 21:00:32 GMT -5
I'll follow the majority's decision on this one. though i feel a lot of people have memorable moments and feel attached to RS
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Post by name on Dec 20, 2007 13:22:59 GMT -5
i think its a bad idea. have you brought this quesiton to the ADJL fans, besides STS. no.
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Post by morefood2001 on Dec 20, 2007 20:05:36 GMT -5
i think its a bad idea. have you brought this quesiton to the ADJL fans, besides STS. no. This isn't going to affect the ADJL fans, so there was no need.
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Post by ogehsim on Dec 20, 2007 22:08:19 GMT -5
Personally I'm unsure. I don't have a lot of free time and bouncing around and keeping up with multiple forums is hard. I'm having a hard enough time stayig current on RS.net which I really enjoy. If the FFKP relocates I feel like I might start to drift away from the movement.
However, I think I will wait a bit before stating a clear opinion.
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Post by tidus on Dec 23, 2007 0:37:44 GMT -5
i think its a bad idea. have you brought this quesiton to the ADJL fans, besides STS. no. This isn't going to affect the ADJL fans, so there was no need. Phil you should know by now, everyone needs to be involved.
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Post by lordvictorino on Dec 24, 2007 1:18:05 GMT -5
Hi all,
I was waiting for others to chime in here. Well, I think it's time to put in my two cents.
First off, rs.net is the Best Kim Possible Fan Site that I have seen, so far. The site has done so much in bringing Kim Possible Fans together, and having a Fun place to Socalize. And has done so much for the Fight For Kim Possible, including the Fight for Four and the Fight for Five. And for me, I will not stop going here for socializing with other Kim Possible Fans. But IMO, it has not gotten the respect that it deserves in the Fight for More Kim Possible.
With all of that said. This is the way I look at the Fight For More Kim Possible and The Fight For Five. The Fight For Five is barried too deep inside rs.net as a Sub Board. Anyone looking for the Fight For Five on the internet by Google or any other means, will have problems trying to find it, even if they come across the rs.net message board.
Some have said that we should just put the Fight For Five more in the front on rs.net. Well, this is a Good Idea, but IMO, even with this, it just won't be enough of a change. We need to do more, Much More than just that, to have a chance to really Win this Fight. And I'm in the Fight For Five to Win!
To be serious for a moment. This Fight is not going to be an easy one, and is not as easy as the Fight For Four was, that is for sure. We need another place outside the confinds of rs.net to bring the Fight to the forfront of the Internet. A place where we can focus our Fight For Five and where the Fight could be seen by all who surf on the Internet. Giving the Fight New Life and much more Exposier than rs.net could ever do for it. Including but not limited too New Kim Possible Fans, The Media, Disney Corp. and etc... With more Exposier, we can not only give the Fight For Five more, but can also help in giving rs.net more exposier, as well. It has always supported the Fight, and we should help in supporting it, by giving it more Exposeier from another source outside of rs.net and getting the respect is so deserves.
No one is going anywhere. No one is leaving rs.net which will still going to be here doing what it was made for, which is a Solcial Site for Kim Possible Fans. We are just taking the Fight For Five to New Levels, which IMO is needed to be done for the sake of the Fight For Five.
The Question simply becomes this: Do we just want the Fight For Five to stay where it is on rs.net and Fight from a Safe Room from afar, or to face our fears and bring the Fight to the forfront of the Internet? IMO. the risks, if any, are minimumal at worse, and the benefits are too much to ignor.
In short, This Idea of Phil's of The Fight For Five having it's own Web. Site outside of rs.net is the Best way to go for the Fight For Five, and for rs.net, as well. There is no looking back! We must push Forward!
Please and Thank You,
Tony M. Victorino
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Post by KillerBebe Obeys Zita on Dec 26, 2007 1:26:46 GMT -5
This is a copy of an PM that I sent and then posted here.
Just finished reading the post, I’m afraid that have to vote a no on moving the whole Kitten Caboodle. The fightforkp..com site is fine the way it is IMO, people that find it or are sent to that site are then lead to us at RS.net. My fear is that if we move off the RS board we will lose the fringe element (those that never go to another board) and the eyes of TPTB and may pass into obscurity and only hold the hard core of us(also this is what I believe, that many of the naysayers would like to get us out of here).
I like our FFKP.com site as central nexus that we can place on the post cards, business cards and our letters to which they can then spread out to us here and the ADJL sites. Again all this is IMO and I will also go with the majority as a show of unity.
Things to be added to FFKP.com, a press section with their own click here link (this is a must) expand the video section; add templates of the post cards, flyers and the such for down loading for members to easily obtain for mailings.
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Post by executor on Dec 26, 2007 4:56:20 GMT -5
For me personaly is no problem to have one more site open on my explorer when it is for good of FFKP. Other thing is that RS.net is really not so easy to find through google if you dont know what are you looking for. I was looking for it for about month.
And if we move FFKP elswhere than it doesnt mean that RS.net will stop exist.
So Im for it.
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Post by KillerBebe Obeys Zita on Dec 26, 2007 11:55:17 GMT -5
Yes RS.net is not that easy to find, that is why I believe it is better to have the FFKP.com site lead all those interested in saving Kim to us here, or to have new fans to join our ranks. The more fans that think as we do on this board the better.
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Post by morefood2001 on Dec 26, 2007 12:55:11 GMT -5
Yes RS.net is not that easy to find, that is why I believe it is better to have the FFKP.com site lead all those interested in saving Kim to us here, or to have new fans to join our ranks. The more fans that think as we do on this board the better. I agree with you Killerbebe, but you are only looking at the negative side of the coin. I see the same negatives as you have told on a crystal clear coin that I can see both sides of equally . What I am trying to do is figure out what side of the coin is going to help our fight more. However, lets put it this way, RS.net is hosted on proboards Thats the problem why I cannot integrate any login system into the site or make any cool features for that site from RS. Everyone is going to have to get a login at FFKP eventually because all of the features that I am working on are going to require a log in. I felt this way it would be easier to keep track of abuses of the system, and clear them up faster. The forum will be made available under this same site login when it gets done. If its used, thats another debate Its far better to do it now without a lot of activity then trying to with a ton of site traffic when crashing the server could easily happen (the current KPFW server status). Regardless of what is decided on the move, right now I don't feel a complete move is totally necessary or would even benefit the FFKP all that much right now, so I am going to look forward to seeing both the FFKP forum and RS section exist at the same time. I think that this is the most logical way of approaching this coin. At this time, I am still unsure of how to integrate the forums together the way that I am working for, and it will definitely take into the new year after this email program is done, however once its made, it will be available. Right now, I am continuing to make the site features that we have on the books, and everyone will likely register eventually once they learn of all the cool stuff that will be available. As these features are made, announcements will be made and everyone will be welcome to go there to register and use them. Ok, enough blabbing, I'm sure I repeated stuff, so don't mind my random thought process
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Post by Guru Mandi (will return) on Dec 27, 2007 0:17:04 GMT -5
*ready to dodge bullets*
Eh, well... I understand the sentimental value that the FFF on RS.NET has to many of us, but I feel that a move (though difficult to set up) would make the whole thing seem a bit more professional, and I'm all for it. It would be cool to see the fight grow in a special area designated for just that purpose.
Just my two cents...
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Post by Luke Danger on Jan 4, 2008 21:28:06 GMT -5
I feel we should use this as a hidden HQ (though after the 'Robet Iger' inccident I don't know how secret it is anymore) and route the efforts through the FFKP sties and such.
But also, we should also do real work there, but do the key things, like a 'extra' save *insert show name here* day to catch Disney off guard, if it's the other sites that get the attention, we can fight from the shadows. In other words, soft fighting.
There are many kinds of strategies in battle, call gin. There is positive Gin, which is attacking. Negitive Gin is retreating. Nuteral Gin is doing nothing. There is also Soft Gin, which is secret shadow stuff, you know, a suprise here, get out before the bullets rain in. And hard Gin, which is your stereotypical battle, two armies clashing.
Now, translate it to verbal use, and we could have a 'soft' fighting position at RS.net, also a back up home base, and the FFKP site, which acts as a public face, but also, what Disney is really observing.
Now, i don't mean put false dates on the 'public' sites, but we add things here and there to catch Disney off guard.
Just a bit of stratigic insight by me.
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