My Official FFF proposal

[ArtFan88]

Hello all.

I’ve been noticing a slight lack of activity and a lack of focus with the FFF recently. I wish to step up and do all I can to help get things bet back on, and stay on track.

After some recent issues, we need to take the fight totally back to basics and refocus. I feel that the way things are now, the fight will only encounter problems, and it will weaken our chances of winning. I am not afraid to say this, I am only telling it as I see and how I feel it is. Lately, there has been more and more negative attention on the FFF, and more and more people just shrug it off as though nothing is wrong.

This is not how we are going to win the fight.
The first thing we need to do is stop and realize why we are getting this negative attention; our letter and e-mail writing. Our first major step should be to reform how we handle this aspect. Instead of shrug it off like it's nothing, look at it, see the reasons why that person said what he said, and learn from it so that next time we get media attention, it is more in our favor. I want to propose here and now that we instate an entire day before each SKP day devoted to preparation and planning.

On this day we will go over fight letters and e-mails, and I am hoping that some people would set aside time to help proof read and make suggestions that will help bring out the best quality in our letters. I will help in this regard as much as possible. We will also discuss as a group the best contacts to send letters to. Obviously, sending huge masses of e-mail to every media and Disney contact is not doing nearly as much good. We should instead begin to focus on the media and Disney contacts that are the most promising at that time. Each SKP day, we will mix it up and hit another group with more intensity than the others, and so on until we find the area we would be able to hit with the most effectiveness.

Also, as a group we should discuss ideas for things we want to try, and filter out the best ones and put them up for a vote to see what the majority wants to do. Everyone can contribute, never be afraid to speak up and say what you think. We want all of you to participate in this because this is your movement.

I know that a lot of you will look at these ideas and call me crazy. But a good fight, which I am sure that is what we all want, takes time, preparation, and focus. We need to start doing this in order to win, I strongly believe that. Better to take our time and have a totally efficient, quality effort, than stay as we are and possibly harm our cause.

I also suggest we stop going about this like it were a military operation, and just let ourselves have fun. I fear a lot of people take this to seriously and this could soon be a problem. We are fighting for a show we love, something that brings us joy and we have fun watching. Let’s have fun fighting for it as well, while also keeping in mind we have to be focused. Trust me, what I am prosing is a lot of work, but Kim Possible is worth the work, is it not? And work can still be fun, and it is up to all of us to make it so.

I will soon be talking to people about my idea, to see if others want to come aboard and help us out. I leave nothing out of the light, as I support the FFF and it’s fighters and you deserve to know what’s up.

Thank you.

[Darth_Comrade]

I totally agree with what's being proposed by Artfan, and I encourage everyone to take part in this as well.

Now that we've got Disney and the media's attention it's time we presented ourselves decently, by that I mean in a manner that is efficient, attractive and most importantly professional.

And yes, as Artfan said, that may mean we need to take a little more of our time our time and put in a little more effort...but no one ever said this fight was not gonna require sacrifices.

But here's the most important thing that Artfan highlighted and I want to emphasise...


FUN!


When I was taking part in the old SaveKP fight I remembered how much fun it was, that was why I was so willing to go ahead with the Fight For Five- and indeed it was fun!

Anyone who was around last year would remember that...

We've forgotten how to enjoy this fight, and I think it's time we remembered.

So, let's go for it guys!

[manofevil]

Amen to all of the above!!!
And in addition, perhaps we should reexamine the first fight and see what worked there. Perhaps a careful reapplication of these techniques will gain us some ground.

[lordvictorino]

Hi All,

I also agree with ArtFan88 that we need to focus on the Fun part of saving Kim Possible. And we need to come up with new ideas on how to contine the fight. That is why I posted this Thred, so people can post ideas. The more Ideas that people can come up with, the more options we can pull from.

ronstoppable.proboards89.com/index.cgi?board=fff&action=display&thread=1203808135

But remeber that some people will be negetive to what we are trying to do no matter how we do it sometimes. So, not to take negetive press too seriously, but not to ignor it either. Just take it for what it's worth. And don't be discouraged by it.

I am also going to be more active on this KPFFF. And hope that more of you will do the same. KP could not Save the World alone, and neither can I without all of us working together. Just remeber, We Can Do Anything!".

Please and Thank You,

Tony M. Victorino

[ArtFan88]

Manofevil, I like that. I think it would benefit us to also learn from the previous fight at this time, though, I think that we have also made a lot more ground with our Fight for Five this time around. But, it never hurts to learn from the past.

Tony, thanks for the reply. I for one will keep an eye on that thread. Like I said, everyone feel free to participate and submit ideas. As we move ahead, I think it will be good to see what the fighters themselves might want to incorperate.

[elvisjj]

Very good artfan...you got the ball and your running with it. What your saying is something that should be considered by all.

Very good words, very well chosen, keep up the good work artfan and everyone here.

[mrpotty]

It's also important to stop the infighting. I hear all the time that some people here go way to far to be the "leaders" of the FFF, but in fact we don't need leaders, we just need people with good ideas.
(Even if it was a waste of time, because nobody is watching the new episodes, but)Do you think the people from the "Save Jericho"-campaign were running around and acting like Generals? One day someone just said "Send nuts, here is the adress." There were no stupid fights about the administration of a message boards or something.
I repeat: We don't need leaders, we need people with good ideas!
We have many places where we can discuss the new events for the FFF democratically. You got something to say? Say it and we all will decide - without military language and infights.

[ArtFan88]

Mr. P, as of now, I want to put all that behind us. This is our chance to bring the Fight for Five back to what it used to be; a fun, enjoyable time fighting for the show we love. I don't want to see things become any more serious or complicated than that. Not again.

Hopefully with these proposals, we can be focused and strong, but of course, enjoy what we're doing and just have a good time.

[jamesburningstorm]

agreed

[dracko19]

In my opinion, your email blitz wasn't all negative. Sure, people get annoyed with spam and you went a bit overboard, but everyone of the media knows there is a force out there that wants new episodes. That's not a bad thing.

I agree continuing on with the email blitz is going to result in negative returns going forward. I'm glad you are revisiting your tactics and are shifting gears. I wish you luck.

[tucsoncoyote]

If I could interject here on the FFF movement, A lot of what has been said is true. Things do need to get back to basics here. After all I will say that the Fight for Four wasn't all about expecting it to happen, because without people doing their part, then it's definitely not going to happen.

I would like to also suggest that maybe it would be best to write quality letters, rather than just posting letters saying that you want Kim to have a fifth season. In short you have to give major reasons as to why it should happen. After all if you just write, I love Kim Possible and Pizza, Give us Season 5, it's not going to work.

You have to find some reasons as to why it should happen. Maybe state that you want to see New merchandise (Video Games, toys, books, or whatever), or maybe video box sets of the first four seasons (after all Family Guy got back on due to people buying boxed sets..

In short give reasons not just write a letter and hope someone reads it.. Because without reasons to back it up, you might as well be spamming Disney rather than given concrete reasons as to why this series deserves another year..

Finally don't expect to get season 5 at all.. Now this goes against conventional wisdom, but remember this about getting Season 4. I nor anyone else at the Mission Kim Possible Yahoo group were trying for 4 but we gave ourselves a time limit as well. After all if you go 5 years without a reply, bow out graciously and leave it at that..

But then there's also options..(See my second to previous paragraphs.. What if You can't get a fifth season? Then look for Options.. An animated feature film, or even another DCOM much like so the Drama. After all the series doesn't always have to be about 22-26 episodes.. you can do things that would otherwise be overlooked.

Finally as a simple word of advice. Be flexible, and keep it fun. Because when saving a show becomes work, then there's no fun at that...

I think these simple tips plus keeping it focused (as Dracko19 points out) might get folks somewhere.. Else all anyone is doing is just spinning their wheels.

Well that's all I can think of.. But remember these philosophical points, and keep it fun. Who knows? You just might get what you want.

Tucsoncoyote--

Finally a

[ogehsim]

Y'all know I agree with this (see my "New Battle Plan?" if ya don't know what I'm talking about).

Less quantity, more quality, better variety.
I think that sums the letters up.

I know I haven't been around much, but even though robotics build season is over, there's a regional next week and 4 weeks after that so I've been pulled into some major last minutes things. (Such as having 3 days to write 2 essays to be submitted in the hopes of winning awards.)

I just want you all to know that you have my support and when I come back I expect this to be up and thriving, 'kay?

[sombershadow]

What's the Sitch - Regaining Focus

"What we've got here is failure to communicate…" Captain, Road Prison 36 (Strother Martin) from 'Cool Hand Luke'

Thank you Captain, you have summed up what I believe to be the major problem with the Fight for Five quite nicely. Despite the variety of issues that have played out over the last month within the Fight for Five the chief problem is a lack of communication between members. Misinformation and a lack of information fosters speculation, inefficiency and conflict, three elements that of course and not needed nor desired.

In the past and in private I communicated to elvisjj that we need to have multiple chats where we can flesh out new strategies and ideas and get everyone up to speed on what strategies are currently being executed. Unfortunately nothing really ever came from this suggestion. Similar to what KillerBebe said on the 'Healing' thread, I believe there needs to be a static time when members can get together and chat about the present and future of the Fight for Five. Speaking from an Eastern Standard Time perspective, for the sake of specificity, Saturday seems like the best day to have these chats with early to late evening probably be the best time frame, but that is up for debate. In addition whether the chats are conducted through RS, KPFFF, MSN or some other medium should be discussed. Regardless of what day, time and medium are selected to be effective those elements need to be static, so members know that there will be people available to talk at that particular time. If a special chat session needs to be organized that can be done as well. Of course these chats do not and probably should not be reserved for Fight for Five business, but can also be used to engage in small talk and discussion of other events in one's life.

Moving on to addressing the gigantic elephant in the room a.k.a. the future relationship between the Fight for Five and the Fight for Three. For me I do not care if both parties go their separate ways or if they renew efforts to cooperate as long as everyone concerned with Kim Possible's renewal is fighting for it. However, it appears to me that the primary problem with the partnership comes down to those on this board not seeing any advantage to it. I recall at one point in defense of the arrangement elvisjj reporting that American Dragon supporters numbered far less than Kim Possible supporters, but they were committed and devoted just like us. The problem, how I understand it, is that one of the major reasons behind the arrangement was the belief that more people would increase the probability that Kim Possible and American Dragon would return; the arrangement was not driven by a love for both shows. Therefore, if the numbers are not there then most people are not going to see a point to the partnership.

Here again is where a lack of communication hurts. I cannot remember the last time a Fight for Three supporter chimed in on this broad even just to say 'hi' let alone update on their activities and even if one has I have not recognized it as such. Granted they have their own board now, but I do not imagine that many people have the inclination or time to check it. I think that most people would feel better about this arrangement if they had more information regarding the activities of the Fight for Three and/or there were more special collaboration projects (not just combining Save KP/ADJL Days). Therefore, if the movement wants to make an attempt at salvaging this arrangement the next liaison (I assume there will be a new one if an affirmative answer is obtained due to elvisjj moving more to the background) for the Fight for Five (or whatever other communication method is decided upon) will need to provide objective and frequent updates on the activities of the Fight for Three, so there is more confidence and less speculation about both movements all around. Or we can regard it as a failed experiment and move on to different strategies.

With regards to Anna and her behavior, due to my limited interaction with her I simply viewed her as incredibly immature. Now if there were extenuating circumstances that influenced that behavior it would have behooved all parties to be informed of them earlier, otherwise it is unreasonable to fault the general reaction she received. Forgive me if I am in error, but I cannot recall any instance when such a thing was explicitly conveyed. For me if these factors have been alleviated or even neutralized then there is little reason to expect any future ill will if she elects to return as either a Fight for Three liaison or in some other capacity.

With regards to the role of leaders, in my opinion all organizations need leaders to thrive. However, there may be some confusion to how leaders are characterized. Leaders are those that aid motivation, aid organization, aid facilitation and aid execution. The corporate hierarchical structure, where a small number of individuals delegate tasks and make decisions on their own judgment, is not needed for this type of movement and as demonstrated can be detrimental especially when there is a lack of … (wait for it) … communication. Organizing and participation in the aforementioned chat sessions should aid in the advancement of the structure of the movement where we all can further develop leadership characteristics that benefit the movement and remove any perceived reliance on a select few.

It is true that movements like this can be hard work and at times depressing when results are not witnessed on a consistent basis; therefore, perhaps it would be a wise strategy to brainstorm a variety of contests and games we can post and play in addition to the idea, strategy and informational threads on the Fight for Five sub-board. Such things should help fill the lull periods as well as enhance idea creation generating a more exciting and productive Fight for Five. Note that I imagine these games and contests being more unique than those KP related games on the Fun Board, which tend to get lost amongst all of the other non-KP related games. On a side note with the impending release of the first season of Kim Possible on DVD in Germany on March 6th, is there any type of celebration, contest or something else that the RS.net board or even the Fight for Five would like to do to commemorate the occasion? Unfortunately it may be too late to do anything really interesting.

Finally based on the typical schedule there is a "Save KP" day fast approaching on Friday (March 7th). However, there have been some concerns expressed regarding the types of letters sent to both Disney and media outlets on this thread and another.

ronstoppable.proboards89.com/index.cgi?board=fff&action=display&thread=1202739520

The big question is should we postpone this "Save KP" day until a later date in order to address these concerns? I say yes for the concerns are indeed valid and to my knowledge have yet to be addressed through an executable strategy, but that is only my opinion.

With regards to emailing the media I have been on a small hiatus recently and I am unclear what others are doing, but I will offer a few suggestions. First, try to refrain from using any mass mailing programs because although they are easy and fast rarely do they yield positive results as media representatives have gotten used to them and do not treat them with much respect. Second, although it can be hard, do what you can to try to personalize your letter to the individual you are writing. Read some of their previous articles or blog postings to get a feel for their style, what they like and what they don't like and use that information in your communication. Although such action does not guarantee success or even a response it will raise your chances because you are taking the time to see how the Fight for Five correlates with the characteristics of the receiver. A side note in that no one should feel obligated to contact every media representative possible. Third, if possible compose your letter on a word processor to avoid any simple spell errors and when finished read your letter aloud to make sure it makes sense and sounds right. Remember there was positive and neutral media attention before most of the negative starting popping up in mid January and that non-negative attention was not just dumb luck there was a reason for it.

With all of that said and using the content in the first post of this thread, from my perspective there are three issues that need to be addressed in the very near future. First, how would people like to proceed with regards to ensuring continuing communication between members? Should there be static chats, a kind of newsletter thread posted bi-weekly on recent events, happenings and new ideas, something else? Second, what type of system, if any, would members like to see with regards to ensuring the quality of letters for Disney and the media? Should there be a thread devoted to editing where someone would post a letter and other members would offer advise, a thread where example letters that are considered high quality are posted to assist in future letter creation, should certain members be assigned certain media individuals to contact and only contact those individuals, so those being contacted generate a level of familiarity with the senders instead of just a bunch of names, etc.? Third, Fight for Five members should decide how they want to proceed regarding future interaction and cooperation with the Fight for Three movement.