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Post by elvisjj on Feb 21, 2008 1:31:45 GMT -5
Now normally I keep the Fight For Five stuff at the Fight For Five. But this article effects all Kim Possible fans who feel the same passion for the show as I do. It's courtesy of our friend A good Zephyr...thanks for bringing this to our attention. This guy Peter, needs a life, but please read it and judge for yourself. www.oregonlive.com/movies/index.ssf/2008/02/when_passion_becomes_a_pain.html |
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Post by ArtFan88 on Feb 21, 2008 2:28:29 GMT -5
This is why I really feel we need to stop and rethink our effort. I think we’ve needed to rethink how we conduct this fight for a while, but, it's just on and on with the e-mails. I think it's time we all sat down and rethought our plans. We need to stop and take a good look at what we're doing, because this I think article proves something very problematic for us; that all we've become are mere spammers. There's no neatness or professionalism in it anymore. We just get together on the SKP days and send the e-mails in massive groups with no real aim or kick. People don’t listen to hundreds of generic e-mails. It annoys them, and then we start getting attention like this. I don't know about you, but I’ve been seeing negative vibes from bloggers seemingly more and more often. This is not what we need; I personally don't like it or want to see it continue. You might say there’s no such thing as negative attention; that’s foolish. No matter what, there will always be people who will read and follow what guys like this say, and I fear it will hurt us if it continues like this. If we wish to get more posotive attention, let’s start thinking this out more, and at least try to match the quality to the quantity. At least you have a much better chance of these people paying attention to clear, well thought out letters. We should not let this become just us spamming every Disney and Media contact on the planet with hundreds of generic letters, like it apparently has become. There’s no plan of attack in that idea. If this is what the fight has come down to for some people, then this fight will run into problems. Here is what I propose. We stop everything for 1 week. We work on our letter writing, and our plan of attack. We make sure these letters have the quality that will hit hard and get people to listen. We must not go for quantity over quality. Make these letters count. I suggest that we seriously need to begin looking over the suggestions brought about here:ronstoppable.proboards89.com/index.cgi?board=fff&action=display&thread=1202739520 by ogehsim and implimenting them. This post is what inspired my views expressed here. Pay attention to this! He lays out everything we need to do to get ourselves more organised and back on point. Don't keep overlooking this!I seriously feel we need to do this, in order to better ourselves in this fight. People say we don’t have the time to stop? Not buying it, sorry. If we are to see better results, it’s time we starting thinking and planning for them, not just blindly attacking them and expecting it |
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Post by mkw00 on Feb 21, 2008 3:44:48 GMT -5
First of all, I have to say... screw this guy... but anyway,
It is true that people tend to tune out anything after being bombarded with them. I think it is a good idea to pause the letters and then continue with a few well-written, well thought out ones. It might be a good idea to apologize for all the blitz letters, too. I suggest hand-written letters if at all possible, too.
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Post by Ot@ru on Feb 21, 2008 4:21:04 GMT -5
Screw that guy..that guy wrote this crap...We can't just send e-mails.We need to send letters too...& postcards...
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Post by blak on Feb 21, 2008 9:55:46 GMT -5
The guy who wrote that article is annoying (for me), not completely wrong, though.
But still:
Now THIS is annoying (again, not completely wrong).
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Post by manofevil on Feb 21, 2008 11:48:07 GMT -5
My First Reaction:  ARRRRRRRGH!!!! WE KILLED THE SHOW!!!!!! 
ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!!! (doesn't mean I'll stop writing.)  |
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Post by Luke Danger on Feb 21, 2008 14:34:15 GMT -5
*sigh* this is where quality is better then quantity.
Still, he was acting hot-headed and didn't exactly act civil, like he should of. If you're going to say you're sick of something, try and be polite, failing that, don't do stuff like 'if it were up to me, I'd wipe Kim Possible off the face of the Earth.'
Now that's just sad, he's saying it's his new purpose, but he's pretty much trying to do the same thing as the Romans tried, problem is, theres internet, and if he wants to wipe it out, he has to do the same as most bad guys, doomsday. Problem? Well, let's see, he'd have to murder anybody remotly connected to Kim Possible, which, considering how many fans, probably their friends and their friends friends. Now, I'd go into the faults in execution of such a plan, but that isn't important. Anyways, if he wants to wipe a TV show off the face of the Earth, every trace, well, he'd have to get rid of alot of things. Fanvids on places like YouTube, KP fanfics (including X-overs with it) at FF.net, take out several websites (such as Rich's site or this very one), which, considering how many there are, would require a army, and I don't think he has one.
But bottom line, this guy's just nuts.
So let's stop the pethetic quality and extreme quantity and up the quality, and maybe down the quanity.
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Post by Loser7 on Feb 21, 2008 16:32:22 GMT -5
I agree with Artfan. I would even suggest that if you wanted to promote bringing KP back we should consider doing nice or fun things to the execs to show a new route of persuasion.
I often see FFF-ers promoting FFF by using war analogies and I don't think we should continue this. While it does build up passion it kind of makes us view the execs and whatnot as the enemy- and that isn't the right strategy either. I think befriending them is just as, if not more important than attacking or beating them at anything.
I think the route of action should definately be inspired by Artfan's "quality over quantity" outlook.
I know I'm not an avid FFF-er, but I'll always give my input and help when asked if reasonable ;D
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Post by foothills30 on Feb 21, 2008 18:20:09 GMT -5
Hello,
I’ve been a silent member here for several months and have been closely watching and sometimes participating in the “Fight for Five”. Because I don’t post, I hesitate to make any suggestions or critique of your valiant efforts, but still thought maybe I might find a sympathetic ear.
I heartily agree with members who think the FFF campaign need be rethought and refocused. Its current state seems, at least to me, to lack the wholesome spirit and integrity that KP herself embodies.
One of the early elements that drew me into becoming a member here was a long ago mention about how some KP fans raised money for some Children’s Hospital or charity. Now, why can’t some of the FFF effort be turned towards another charity event or fund raiser. Let the public and media see the morality; the compassion the show generates. Then perhaps the media will seek you guys out and the curious might just watch an episode or two to see what is inspiring the FFF. Basically, send Disney canned food for the needy, not Tabasco sauce.
Anyway, just an idealized thought.
Foothills30
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Post by Luke Danger on Feb 21, 2008 19:03:31 GMT -5
Hello, I’ve been a silent member here for several months and have been closely watching and sometimes participating in the “Fight for Five”. Because I don’t post, I hesitate to make any suggestions or critique of your valiant efforts, but still thought maybe I might find a sympathetic ear. I heartily agree with members who think the FFF campaign need be rethought and refocused. Its current state seems, at least to me, to lack the wholesome spirit and integrity that KP herself embodies. One of the early elements that drew me into becoming a member here was a long ago mention about how some KP fans raised money for some Children’s Hospital or charity. Now, why can’t some of the FFF effort be turned towards another charity event or fund raiser. Let the public and media see the morality; the compassion the show generates. Then perhaps the media will seek you guys out and the curious might just watch an episode or two to see what is inspiring the FFF. Basically, send Disney canned food for the needy, not Tabasco sauce. Anyway, just an idealized thought. Foothills30 I like this guy already, great insights man. |
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Post by Ot@ru on Feb 21, 2008 20:33:50 GMT -5
Now that just wrong...who is this fella?Someone from Disney...  |
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Post by FarAwayGirl on Feb 21, 2008 20:37:33 GMT -5
Wow, that guy's a real smart @$$. That makes me so angry
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Post by Ot@ru on Feb 21, 2008 20:39:36 GMT -5
Wow, that guy's a real smart @$$. That makes me so angry What a dirt bag... |
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Post by Fusion Fox on Feb 21, 2008 20:41:43 GMT -5
I don't think you can fill a guy's inbox with hundreds of what he considers to be 'spam' emails, then blame him when he gets angry.
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Post by The Legend that is KPCrusader on Feb 21, 2008 20:47:57 GMT -5
lol
I cant help but laugh at this for some reason. I dont really feel hurt or angry at this guy but I cant stop myself from laughing.
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Post by manofevil on Feb 21, 2008 20:52:23 GMT -5
Kudos to foothills30. In the face of a terrifying setback, a positive strategic suggestion. Welcome to the cause friend. ;D
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Post by elvisjj on Feb 21, 2008 23:30:23 GMT -5
Sunday January 27, 2008 Terry Richards The Valdosta Daily Times P.O. Box 968, Valdosta, GA, U.S.A, 31603 Dear Terry Richards, I'd like to thank you for writing about Kim Possible in one of your past articles. As your aware the media has supreme power when it comes to swaying public decisions, and the Walt Disney Company would rather listen to public opinion, then listening to all of the Kim Possible or American Dragon fans worldwide, who are all loyal Disney consumers. We feel that Walt Disney Company feels that it's loyal fans are irrelevant. It's only when public pressure is placed upon Disney, does Disney react. The media Mr. Richards is our most powerful ally, as it gets Disney's attention and allows us to make a case for renewing Kim Possible and American Dragon. Two quality family animated shows, that didn't deserve to be cancelled. Your article on Kim Possible has taken us to great lengths. We are stronger and more determined then ever before to win back Kim Possible and get a season Five of Kim Possible. We've joined an alliance with Disney's American Dragon fans, to save both Kim Possible and American Dragon and to see American Dragon fans get a Season Three of their favorite show. This alliance has given us somewhat of an edge, but still we need to go mainstream public with our campaign. All we want is for the Walt Disney Company to reconsider their decision, as we all believe in quality family entertainment and tradition Walt Disney animation which is Kim Possible and American Dragon. Most recently we had an article written up on us by Mr. Peter Ames Carlin. Please feel free to check out this article, as Mr. Carlin did a great job at hurting a lot of Kim Possible fans in his raving. Mr.Carlin didn't have to do that, all he had to do was politely contact anyone of us trying to save our shows and we would have gladly stopped e-mailing him and even apologized to him. But instead Mr. Carlin decided to go on a hurting streak and unfortunately he had the power to do so. www.oregonlive.com/movies/index.ssf/2008/02/when_passion_becomes_a_pain.htmlOnce again Mr. Richards, we want to thank you for your time and effort and for what you did for us in the past. Yours sincerely, Julius elvisjj@excite.com This letter pretty much sums up what I feel about this whole incident. And I've made sure certain key public media personnel know about the article and judge for themselves on whether Mr. Carlin was in the right or wrong. |
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Post by ArtFan88 on Feb 21, 2008 23:33:04 GMT -5
So, you're spreading around a negative article for them to read and judge?
*shakes head
Why bother spreading the negative? Let's focus on getting an equally if not stronger posotive response, and go spread that around.
And also, this is about KP, not ADJL. Maybe, leave the "alliance" out of it. Makes the FFF look that much stronger
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Post by fazhou on Feb 21, 2008 23:44:17 GMT -5
I don't think you can fill a guy's inbox with hundreds of what he considers to be 'spam' emails, then blame him when he gets angry. Amen! This guy has written in no uncertain terms how annoyed he was about the spam, and people want to dismiss him as "needing to get a life"? Good God, talk about irony! When people write stuff like this in articles and blogs, how do you think that makes the world view us? You dismiss people like that by saying "screw 'em", and you can kiss your dreams of a KP season 5 goodbye forever. I say, stop with the spamming, STAT, and take a whole new approach. |
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Post by ArtFan88 on Feb 21, 2008 23:45:26 GMT -5
I don't think you can fill a guy's inbox with hundreds of what he considers to be 'spam' emails, then blame him when he gets angry. Amen! This guy has written in no uncertain terms how annoyed he was about the spam, and people want to dismiss him as "needing to get a life"? Good God, talk about irony! When people write stuff like this in articles and blogs, how do you think that makes the world view us? You dismiss people like that by saying "screw 'em", and you can kiss your dreams of a KP season 5 goodbye forever. I say, stop with the spamming, STAT, and take a whole new approach. THANK YOU! And Amen! This is exactly what some of us have been talking about. |
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