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Post by mengsk on Oct 10, 2008 0:58:39 GMT -5
Thoughts after a cursory flick through the next hundred issues.
- Phil & Normie are the dream team!
- Normie ended up with Raptor? This is going to become a long drawn out thing isn't it. How many issues did it take for spidy to get Mary Jane? Are they together yet?
- I don't read many comics. Doesn't anyone ever die in these things?
- Mrs Dr Oc? Magneta? Couldn't they be original?
- All the men in this thing are morons aren't they?
- Interesting ploy with the Venom/Normie suit. And it was a her! I liked the idea of the symboite responding to the wearer. Not to mention Normie's strutting around on top of the world. Boy could be an awesome "Lex Luther from smallville but kinda good" character.
- Amazing Spidergirl was same old, same old for a start. Then got so much cooler with the clone revelation. Oh naco is this next story ark going to be a thrill.
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Post by danman007 on Oct 10, 2008 7:26:46 GMT -5
Thoughts after a cursory flick through the next hundred issues. - Phil & Normie are the dream team! - Normie ended up with Vulture? This is going to become a long drawn out thing isn't it. How many issues did it take for spidy to get Mary Jane? Are they together yet? - I don't read many comics. Doesn't anyone ever die in these things? - Mrs Dr Oc? Magneta? Couldn't they be original? - All the men in this thing are morons aren't they? - Interesting ploy with the Venom/Normie suit. And it was a her! I liked the idea of the symboite responding to the wearer. Not to mention Normie's strutting around on top of the world. Boy could be an awesome "Lex Luther from smallville but kinda good" character. - Amazing Spidergirl was same old, same old for a start. Then got so much cooler with the clone revelation. Oh naco is this next story ark going to be a thrill. Brenda, is not exactly who I would called Vulture as she is called Raptor. Normie and Brenda got married in Spider-Girl #100. Yes, some people do die in the book, you'll just have to actually read the previous 100 issues of the original run to see who dies. One of the deaths affects Mayday and her actions afterwards really haunt her. She is actually called by most people, Lady Octopus. She first appeared in the mainstream Spidey books when they had temporary killed off the original Doc Ock. Magneta, yeah the name could have been more original. As for men being morans in the book....I don't think so As for The Amazing Spider-Girl, the relaunch was off to a slow start storywise but got better as it went along. The new arc is advancing at a stellar pace. SPOILERS and SPECULATION!Don't read if you haven't read Issue 25, yet.It seems the Goblin Cult is going to implant the persona and memories of Norman Osborn into Peter Parker. But the one thing that proves to be more intriguing is the battle for Mayday's destiny...going to get mystical. I do believe the third soul within Mayday is her namesake and great aunt, May Reilly Parker. A much younger looking May Reilly as she did say her name is also 'May' and even though Mayday does not recognize her, Mayday and her destinys have intertwined before. In a way it would make sense for May Reilly to guide her great niece in confronting and embrace her destiny, in the form of a giant Spider-Girl. She tries to fight/avoid the giant SG, therefore she neglects her destiny. 'May' and Mayday are both clothed in white so she belongs to Mayday not Arana, who is clothed in black. Mayday is weaken when she questions her identity, it kinda allows Arana to actually have the chance to manipulate her into merging with her. Whew, all the symbolism. Now next Issue, we will find out just how much Arana is in control of Mayday's body and if the third soul, May, will try to fight back or urge Mayday to seperate herself from Arana. I believe the Black Tarantula is going to have a role in seperating the two, he is going to notice something is different with Spider-Girl with their next meeting in ASG #27. The Tarantula is not a fool and will see through Arana's ruse. The New May, well I have an idea how things will play out with her but it's interesting to see how she interacts with May's friends. She could very well blow Mayday's secret identity if she continues to exhibit her spider strength like she did on Gene.
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Post by mengsk on Oct 10, 2008 23:24:22 GMT -5
Raptor, my mistake.
Magneta - They could have been a little more original with the name. And the custume. And the bad attitude. She is a Magneto clone.
Ah, here we go. The death of Crazy Eight with the "Nuff Said" silent issue for her funneral. It took me five pages to realise there were no words. Man, what a neat idea.
Ok, the men aren't morons. But there can have an amusing childish element to them.
HA! A closet Disney Fan, I love this guy! Stuff the Goblin heritage, Normie's cooler without a custume. I've got my fingers crossed for ruthless white collar, a something between Oracle and Luther (using some DC examples). Hit the Goblins with the power of his wealth and influence.
Yeah, I'm going to have to give Spidergirl a more focused look through at some point.
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Post by danman007 on Oct 11, 2008 0:29:44 GMT -5
Raptor, my mistake. Magneta - They could have been a little more original with the name. And the custume. And the bad attitude. She is a Magneto clone. Ah, here we go. The death of Crazy Eight with the "Nuff Said" silent issue for her funneral. It took me five pages to realise there were no words. Man, what a neat idea. Ok, the men aren't morons. But there can have an amusing childish element to them. HA! A closet Disney Fan, I love this guy! Stuff the Goblin heritage, Normie's cooler without a custume. I've got my fingers crossed for ruthless white collar, a something between Oracle and Luther (using some DC examples). Hit the Goblins with the power of his wealth and influence. Yeah, I'm going to have to give Spidergirl a more focused look through at some point. To be fair, we don't know who Magneta is and her relation to Magneto so lets not judge her character yet, maybe Tom and the crew could do another MC2 miniseries with the X-People. The 'Nuff Said Issue actually was part of a special moth with Marvel where every Issue was a silent issue, the Spider-Girl issue was well done. So your becoming a big Normie fan, I like the fact that Tom DeFalco made him an ally rather than remain a villain and have the Spider-Goblin war take on a more organic nature with Norman Sr.'s Goblin Cult. What are your thoughts on Mayday's "cousin", Reilly Tyne aka Darkdevil?
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Post by mengsk on Oct 11, 2008 3:25:56 GMT -5
I didn't mean a literal clone. Just..., she a Magneto clone. .... Can't say I've formed much of an opinion on Darkdevil. Just flicking through at the moment, only stopping to pay attention at the sight of a Goblin or other interesting moments. I laughed my head off the first time Darkdevil met Golden Goblin. And when he caught May swinging into a wall.
I'll give them a proper read in the summer (Southern Hemisphere).
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Post by mengsk on Oct 11, 2008 16:44:15 GMT -5
Caught a glimpse of #25. Your theories seem right on the money, though I have to question how the "Mystical May" knew about the clone and a Norman Osborn plot. I read her as May's subconcious guardian, but she knew things May did not. Mystical realm free information, where's the fun in that? Missed out on her horrified expression as Normie as to explain everything a third time. I was looking forward to that little dicussion.
Unless..., May somehow already knew deep down in her subconcious that she was a clone and part of an Osborn plot? ....
Also, because I'm evil and I like the drama, I've got my finger crossed for an Evil May Vs Evil Possessed May with the friends crowd caught in the middle. Though I consider it an incredibly unlikely possibility. ....
Norman Osborn's return. As cool as that plot sounds I have to reiterate and adjust an earlier statement:
"Dosen't anyone ever stay dead in these things?"
While I'm at it I'll throw in,
"Doesn't anyone ever stay locked up in these things?" & "Where is the FBI and other authorities in these things?"
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So Darkdevil is actually Peter Parker's clone's son who is also part demon and has Daredevil's soul? Oh man, I was happier not knowing.
This is exactly why I avoid comics, the plot's are more convoluted than a soap-opra. I can only follow Star Wars: Legacy because I already have extensive knowlege of the expanded universe and Wookiepedia to lean on.
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Post by danman007 on Oct 11, 2008 18:23:52 GMT -5
Caught a glimpse of #25. Your theories seem right on the money, though I have to question how the "Mystical May" knew about the clone and a Norman Osborn plot. I read her as May's subconcious guardian, but she knew things May did not. Mystical realm free information, where's the fun in that? Missed out on her horrified expression as Normie as to explain everything a third time. I was looking forward to that little dicussion. Unless..., May somehow already knew deep down in her subconcious that was a clone? .... Also, because I'm evil and I like the drama, I've got my finger crossed for an Evil May Vs Evil Possessed May with the friends crowd caught in the middle. Though I consider it an incredibly unlikely possibility. I am more looking forward to the inevitable showdown between Mayday and Peter(Norman Sr. Possessed). Too much is hinting towards this match up. The New May is obviously the clone or atleast there is more to her, Benjy was reacting to her that morning before she head to school. Guess his Spider-Sense was tingling. I'll have a better idea how things will playout once the Januray solicits come out. I could see Arana taking over the New May's body after she is cast out of Mayday's. It's a possiblity but there is a high chance it won't happen. It's an idea though. Next Issue will be interesting though. So much build up! If you have more questions on Spider-Girl or want to discuss the book and the characters join up on the Spider-Girl boards: www.comicboards.com/spidergirl/?layout=flatWriter Tom DeFalco frequents the boards there and will answer a question for you if you have one.
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Post by mengsk on Oct 11, 2008 18:32:23 GMT -5
Just while I'm thinking about it:
I call Mayday as clone, tank girl the original!
Though neither outcome would affect opinions on who the real Spider-Girl is.
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Questions will be answered when I read it. Besides, I like running a million different scenarios through my head. Though I hope this ark lasts a while. It would be too easy if they got Peter back in six or so issues. ....
Some random thoughts....
- Wasn't it a little odd that the imposter May thought she battled Sara? Had a vague memory of running into an imposter?
Which May ended up where again?
- Osborn said he would initiate the project in a year or two. If the plan was to take Peter's body and replace him then it could be assumed he planned May's role in these events was to be his heir, raised as his daughter.
But, would Osborn be satisfied with an heir not of his blood? Dispite my earlier call I think it's plausible tank girl is the clone and she has Osborn DNA.
And now I'm voicing convoluted plots!
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Post by danman007 on Oct 11, 2008 18:59:32 GMT -5
Questions I'll answer when I read it. Though I hope this ark lasts a while. It would be too easy if they got Peter back in six or so issues. And wasn't it a little odd that the imposter May thought she battled Sara? Had a vague memory of running into an imposter? Which May ended up where again? .... Just while I'm thinking about it: I call Mayday as clone, tank girl the original! Though neither outcome would affect opinions on who the real Spider-Girl is. I'm sure alot will be reveal as time goes on, I think Mayday will eventually learn that she is the original and that the New May is the copy. Mayday was questioning her identity in #25, Arana took advantage of it. Mayday is afraid to know the answer. I believe the New May may have got caught in the blast radius of the explosion by Sara Hingle, which could explain her memory loss. My theory at the moment. One reader put it best, at Spider-Man Crawlspace, what the arc really is: Most Spider-Girl fans believe this is DeFalco finally telling the modern version of what he wanted for The Clone Saga...to basically bring down the main character, replace the person in the costume, then build up the main character and restore the character to the costume. A three-act structure that didnt culminate the way he intended with ASM. I don't know if they will save Peter at the end of the arc, and also wonder if he will make it out of this arc alive. I'll wait to more details are clear on Project:Changeling before I try to figure out exactly what Osborn was planning.
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Post by mengsk on Oct 11, 2008 20:41:49 GMT -5
You'll have to explain the details of the Clone Saga to me. Marvel Wiki's aren't as easy to follow as I'd like.
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Post by danman007 on Oct 11, 2008 22:48:14 GMT -5
You'll have to explain the details of the Clone Saga to me. Marvel Wiki's aren't as easy to follow as I'd like. The thing about the Clone Saga is that it's long, confusing and sometimes frustrating. It would take me a loooonnngggg time to explain the details. But if you truly want to understand it you must first learn about Mayday's "Uncle Ben", Ben Reilly. A key character in the Clone Saga. I'm not going to explain it for you though. Someone, along with some of the key writers and artists of the long and drag out saga will explain it for you: lifeofreillyarchives.blogspot.com/It's a lengthy read but it's the best way to understand the Clone Saga. Note: May "Mayday" Parker was concieved during this particular time in Spidey History and born towards the end.
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Post by mengsk on Oct 12, 2008 7:46:44 GMT -5
Nuts! I skipped to the end after part seven. Then went over it on Wiki. I see what you mean by bringing our boy down than building him back up. He was messed up even before the clone thing. Not that the ending was any happier.
Ben & Peter really are brothers. Same powers, same motto, both destined to lead a tradgic life. If only they had seen it earlier.
The Goblin ending didn't make much sense, but that must have blown some minds! Worth it. (Though now I question those journals Normie found. Still call Tank May as original.)
So Spider-Girl isn't a true sequal? Nuts again. And now eyes have been peeled for the last 11/12 years for a clue to her fate. Afte all, "no one dies in comics but Uncle Ben." How long does it take for fifteen comic years to pass?
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Post by danman007 on Oct 12, 2008 16:02:00 GMT -5
Nuts! I skipped to the end after part seven. Then went over it on Wiki. I see what you mean by bringing our boy down than building him back up. He was messed up even before the clone thing. Not that the ending was any happier. Ben & Peter really are brothers. Same powers, same motto, both destined to lead a tradgic life. If only they had seen it earlier. The Goblin ending didn't make much sense, but that must have blown some minds! Worth it. (Though now I question those journals Normie found. Still call Tank May as original.) So Spider-Girl isn't a true sequal? Nuts again. And now eyes have been peeled for the last 11/12 years for a clue to her fate. Afte all, "no one dies in comics but Uncle Ben." How long does it take for fifteen comic years to pass? Spider-Girl is more of an indirect sequel to the Clone Saga as the events in that story arc lead to what is called the MC2(Marvel Comics 2) Universe where the Silver Age of Heroes happen 15 years earlier. Don't worry yourself not understanding the entire Multi-verse, made famous or infamous by DC Comics("Crisis on Infinite Earths"), put it this way they are parallel realms to the regular Marvel Universe. The book is written as a way to be accessible to new and old readers alike. Now to understand Norman Osborn's true intentions for Project: Changeling, we'll just have to hear it from himself once the Goblin Cult emplant his persona/memories into Peter. Though I think Tom DeFalco is dropping hints to which May is the real one through the book. As for the time changes in comic book time, it depends on the writer, and the editor of the book to decide how much time has pass in the comic book. So Fifteen years in comic time could happen at the snap of an editors finger.
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Post by danman007 on Oct 12, 2008 16:57:12 GMT -5
Some sad new....
Tom DeFalco has just inform fans at the Spider-Girl boards that AMAZING SPIDER-GIRL #30 will be the last issue of the book.
Hopefully the fans will rally together and campaign to save the book again.
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Post by mengsk on Oct 12, 2008 22:38:55 GMT -5
Well nuts! Just as I was taking an interest.
I honestly expected the comic to last to #100. Well that throws long term plots out the window. I retract call, Tank May is clone.
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Post by danman007 on Oct 12, 2008 22:54:20 GMT -5
Well nuts! Just as I was taking an interest. This is not the first time the book has been threaten with cancellation. The Fan Campaign is starting up again to save the book. It will include sending fliers to local comic book stores to help advertise the book since Marvel barely markets the book. In order to boost sales in the Direct Market. To a letter campaign to Marvel and Book stores accross the US. You can help, Mengsk, I'll post some details how to help out with the campaign. Best you can do now is promote the book and convince others to read and buy it. It has work before, and it will work again! Save Spider-Girl!
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Post by mengsk on Oct 12, 2008 23:27:01 GMT -5
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Post by danman007 on Oct 13, 2008 0:23:39 GMT -5
... at this point I should probably point out I live in a foreign country. I don't actually think Spider-Girl is sold here. If it is, the nearest comic book store would be 600km north in Christchurch, some American chain called Borders. Fliers would be an inconvenient strategy. But here's another idea. Just 5 days ago I suggested on the FFF thread that links should be made to other save media groups, ironically the same day I surfed around and noted this thread. Couldn't hurt to plead your case and build support locally. And I guess I should check out Border's website, see what I can order in. Anything helps, I live on a small island in the Caribbean and it's very hard to keep up with any comic here.
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Post by mengsk on Oct 13, 2008 2:40:52 GMT -5
Tou'che.
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Post by danman007 on Oct 13, 2008 18:40:09 GMT -5
UPDATE:Writer and Spider-Girl creator, Tom DeFalco, has inform the Spider-Girl fans on the SG Boards that Issue #30 of Amazing Spider-Girl is the last issue and the title will be cancelled from there on end. The Fans have now started a campaign to help save the title again from cancellation. Here is how you can help: The main objective is to boost sales…. 1) Direct Market Plan: This is a book that comic book fans would enjoy right now! This is an intense story arc that’s changing the status quo, and we’ve got a brand new editor! People will read this if they knew about it. Unfortunatley a lot of comic book fans aren’t on the internet. So we gotta get to them by the grassroots method. (Sorry, Marvel, we appreciate what you’ve done for us but an interview posted on the internet only reaches just so many people. We need a grassroots movement.) We can start typing in zip codes here, csls.diamondcomics.com/Copy down the address. Print off a flier advertising Spider-Girl. Tell them that ASG is having the most intense arcs of all time, that it represents a certain continuity in Spider-Man, and that it’s under threat of cancellation—a book that a lot of little kids just love to read, as is evident by digest sales. Us talking to people will only effect one person at a time. But us taking the time to print off one flier and getting it posted will reach hundreds of people! That’s a big pay-off. 2) Marvel Plan: Marvel likes us SG fans. They are really impressed by the work we do. So let’s impress them again. Let’s ask Marvel to not cancel Spider-Girl but at the same time let them know just how far we’re taking this campaign. Publisher Dan Buckley, Editor in Chief Joe Quesada: Marvel Publishing 417 Fifth Ave. New York, NY 10016 3) Mass Market Plan: (Cut and pasted from Operaton: Mass Market Mayday) Spider-Girl is loved by little kids. This is a book they would buy if they had access to it… like at a major retailer! Retailers need to stock their shelves with this book. Not only that, but maybe we can print off a flier and have them post it in their stores. One flier in a major store can reach THOUSANDS! Address your letter (and a copy of the comic if you wish) to Mark Bottini Director of Stores Barnes & Noble Inc. 122 Fifth Ave. New York, NY, 10011 Send a copy of the letter (or CC it, for those of you who remember what that meant before e-mail) to Leonard Riggio Chairman Barnes & Noble Inc. 122 Fifth Ave. New York, NY, 10011 We�re not done yet, though. We want to keep Spider-Girl�s monthly comic in the big chains, so let�s also send thank you letters to Borders and Books-A-Million. And while we�re thanking them, let�s remind them to keep the Spider-Girl digests and trade paperbacks in stock. It�s called positive reinforcement, people! For Borders, send the initial letter to Kenneth H. Armstrong Executive Vice President Borders Stores U.S. 100 Phoenix Drive Ann Arbor, MI 48108 And CC it to George L. Jones President Borders Group Inc. 100 Phoenix Drive Ann Arbor, MI 48108 For Books-A-Million, address the letter to Terrance G. Finley President Books-A-Million, Inc. Merchandising Group 402 Industrial Lane Birmingham, Alabama 35211 And CC it to Clyde B. Anderson Executive Chairman of the Board Books-A-Million, Inc. 402 Industrial Lane Birmingham, Alabama 35211 Thanks to SG fan, Jarkoer, for providing the information above. I'm open to all suggestions that can be made to help with the Save Spider-Girl campaign.
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