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Post by yes4possible on Oct 20, 2008 10:25:07 GMT -5
Something that came up with the ToonZone board, and let me ask your opinions?
Wouldn't it have it been better, would it have improved their characters, if each season Drakken and Shego plots were connected?
Like for example Monkey Fist throughout the series, and more specificly in season 4, and Dementor in season 4.
It would make Drakken less of a loser if he kept to a plan for an entire season, instead of just different unrelated plots ever episode. And sometimes in season arcs, the villains win sometimes in an episode or two to advance the plot. Like in the second to last episode of American Dragon, the Dark Dragon won.
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Post by vampirenaomi on Oct 20, 2008 10:57:49 GMT -5
If it was well-written, why not? I'm a huge fan of deep and complicated plot lines that keep developing throughout the series, but they're difficult to pull of. There is the danger of getting boring and alienating casual viewers. The series should still be episodic enough for people to be able to keep track of the plot despite missing an ep or two.
This can lead to a seemingly connected plot that doesn't stay together and has lots of unfortunate holes. Something like this has happened to the Italian W.I.T.C.H. comics. I sent the Finnish publisher feedback about the artificial plotlines the comic has these days, and they confirmed that it's a conscious development from the creators because the comic wouldn't sell that well if it had a plot you actually have to follow in each issue.
To be honest, I think Monkey Fist's storyline didn't get very solid until the fourth season. True, he always had the same goal, but he had a different method of trying to accomplish that in every episode. Pretty much just like Drakken was trying to conquer the world with various means.
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Post by yes4possible on Oct 20, 2008 11:14:29 GMT -5
Well when I say continous season plot I meant only for a season, not the whole series.
Each season finale would conclude a storyline.
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Post by eoraptor on Oct 20, 2008 11:29:25 GMT -5
so something like the did on Teen Titans, with a few episodes dedicated to one specific character (IE Terra in s2, cyborg in 4, beast boy in 5, etc) but the actual plots not being particularly interleved or comlicated and not exceeding their season.
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Post by yes4possible on Oct 20, 2008 12:16:29 GMT -5
so something like the did on Teen Titans, with a few episodes dedicated to one specific character (IE Terra in s2, cyborg in 4, beast boy in 5, etc) but the actual plots not being particularly interleved or comlicated and not exceeding their season. Yeah like that. But the best example is season 1 and 2, because they had the repeat villain of Slade. Season 1 Slade episodes build towards the Apprentice plot, season 2 Slade episodes Slade had a whole new plot with Terra. The idea is every season all of the Drakken episodes have a connection with a specific plot. Than it concludes at the end of the season, than the new season premere Drakken licks his wonds after his defeat from the previous season, and starts with a whole new plot to take over the world.
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Post by PoisonousAngel on Oct 20, 2008 15:26:15 GMT -5
No. Because the Monkey Fist and Dementor plots were boring after the first four times seeing the same thing. I like it that Drakken mixes it up. Boring is something he is not.
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Post by RedBlueGreen on Oct 20, 2008 16:40:16 GMT -5
I think Drakken's defining aspect was that he didn't have a theme. Monkey Fist was always about the monkey ninjas and Shego about fighting with Kim, but Drakken could be onto mind control or robots or killer plants or whatever caught his interest (or the plot needed.) I think it was because the plots weren't so much about Drakken's plan as Kim's issue of the week: "Blush", for instance, is about Kim facing embarrasment on her date with Josh, ramped up to crucial levels by the plot to "embarrass her out of existence"; "Mother's Day" isn't so much about the syntho-plasma as Kim and Drakken spending time with their mothers. Otherwise, you could say that it's because unlike Dementor obsessing over the supersuit or Motor Ed building a sweet ride, Drakken goes all out for global domination or nothing, so he gets nothing. Then he come back for another try. An overarching plot might be interesting, but I think I prefer the new plot every episode approach, though it does leave open questions of "Why didn't [either side] use [that thing from another episode] again?", (to which the answer is probably " Yeah, that was last caper. This is new.")
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Post by cadmus on Oct 25, 2008 3:04:16 GMT -5
Something that came up with the ToonZone board, and let me ask your opinions? Wouldn't it have it been better, would it have improved their characters, if each season Drakken and Shego plots were connected? Like for example Monkey Fist throughout the series, and more specificly in season 4, and Dementor in season 4. It would make Drakken less of a loser if he kept to a plan for an entire season, instead of just different unrelated plots ever episode. And sometimes in season arcs, the villains win sometimes in an episode or two to advance the plot. Like in the second to last episode of American Dragon, the Dark Dragon won. Bob and Mark have said many times that they are not continuity guys, but they have never been opposed to using continuity references when the opportunities presented themselves. (Which begs the question- why was the Bebe's revival explanation taken out of the 1st episode Greg Weisman wrote?) They said they embraced continuity because the fans on the internet liked it. Anyways Drakken's problem wasn't that he didn't have an arc. It's that he appeared countless times only for the same result to be seen nearly every time. Kim and Ron vs. Drakken and Shego had been done so many times, like in season 2 that the attempts to freshen it up had started to wear thin. The fact that the Drakken episodes had started to become dumber, unimaginative, and more juvenile in terms of writing didn't help either. If they were going to have Drakken appear that much, the writing needed to be much more creative in their usage. Some season 2 episodes with them were good: -The Golden Years -A Very Possible Christmas -Hidden Talent -Go Team Go -Blush -Ron Millionaire But others ranged from mediocre to dull to wasted opportunities that added to his over exposure: -Naked Genius -Car Trouble -Job Unfair -Rufus vs. Commodore Puddles -Partners -Mother's Day -Showdown At The Crooked D -Rewriting History Some of these episodes like Car Trouble or Showdown could've easily been rewritten to feature different villains. Or *GASP* introduce new villains to expand KP's rogue's gallery. What they needed to do was be more creative like shake things by having a few episodes where Drakken and Shego appear separately like they did in Attack of The Killer Bebe's, Two to Tutor, and Adventures In Rufus Sitting. If they had done a better job of this then maybe Drakken and Shego wouldn't have become so stale. It wasn't until So The Drama that Drakken had regained some of the dignity he had lost on countless occasions. Just because Drakken was a good villain doesn't mean he should've appeared that much. Did Joker ever appear countless times in Batman: TAS? If things like Drakken and Shego being kept fresher had occured KP might of been remembered in a better light.
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Post by Ashfangirl20 on Nov 10, 2008 15:24:29 GMT -5
Well isn't Draken trying to take over the world a plot? I mean sure it got boring after the how many times he failed at it LOL But I considered it a plot ^^
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