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Post by fazhou on Jan 29, 2009 23:26:43 GMT -5
Approve of ships? Heck, I live for ships! Oh, you mean non-canon ships... Hey, even if I'm not part of their club, I'm very supportive of many kinds of non-canon pairings. Kigo, Rongo...perfectly legit in fanworks, as far as I'm concerned. And I always thought Ron and Yori would have made a cute couple, too.
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Post by Loser7 on Jan 30, 2009 1:44:21 GMT -5
I think it's okay to prefer one ship over another, but when it creates arguing it stops being okay.
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Post by maetch on Jan 30, 2009 12:50:25 GMT -5
Depends. I've got no real preference. I can imagine the "canon" ships (Kim and Ron) that I respect as the true pairing, and the "other" ones, like Kim and Shego, that I can do for fun. However, non-canon pairings have to have some level of believability, or else it's crack. Still, the biggest problem with any kind of ship is that, sooner or later, they all sink. This comic (not KP, but still relates to my point) sums it up nicely: krossfire.deviantart.com/art/The-Ship-Destroyer-79713501
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Post by eclogite on Jan 30, 2009 18:17:08 GMT -5
Well done, I've got to agree with the pirate captain in the cartoon (though Kim/Roachie 4eva.....)
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Post by fazhou on Feb 6, 2009 23:45:36 GMT -5
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Post by mtkau on Feb 7, 2009 20:19:34 GMT -5
I've never really been against shipping, or against specific shipping ever. My main introduction to fan communities came from the stargate franchise, and tbh the main ship there is Jack/Daniel, so really having a problem with shipping in that franchise would drive you out pretty fast.
As for Fanfics, this community (KimPossible), is probably the first I've started getting into fanfics with, and again, I don't have a problem shipping anyone with anyone.
Reading them on the other hand. I take the stance that it's simply for fun. If it's written well then it's good reading fun, if it's bad then it's good snark bait.
It's not srs bsns, I don't partake in ship wars anymore (I did enough of that when I shipped Shep/Weir against Shep/Teyla for Stargate Atlantis, although that was motivated in part by a belief that Shep/Weir made much, much better television than the bland cliche of S/T, along with much better personal chemistry in S/W.)
I've read probably a dozen various ship pairs so far, including (and my personal take on them):
* Kim/Ron (I shipped this from the start of the show.)
* KiGo (especially after Stop Team Go).
* Drakken/Shego (Evil shipping is fun.)
* Bonnie/Kim (When reading these I usually take Bonnies behaviour towards Kim in the show as "hurt the one you love" subtext, it's probably my "favourite" ship to read in fics)
*Ron/Bonnie (I find this is usually a pretty good ship for reading about the writer of the fanfic, as it's not established at all by more than Bonnie being a gold-digger or wanting food chain rep, so writers need to build above that).
A few involving Monique/Bonnie, Drakken/Kim, Shego/Ron. And one disturbing one involving Drakken and a Potato.
On the flipside, I have a few things that I won't read out of personal preference, I'm not going to go "zomg you are sick!!!" or anything, I'd just avoid: * Serious Incest fic. Something which is obviously written comically and not meant to be serious one-shots I can handle. Parental incest is a no-go. * Rape. I can read dark/deathfic (murder/torture, but rape is too much. * Male Slash. [Seinfeld Disclaimer]. Not for me. I also accidentally clicked on one last night, and the words "Sexual Blueberry" scarred me for life. * Anything pairing Joss with anyone other than Wade, and only if it's non-squicky. * Anything with Rufus.
But yeah, I won't lambast anyone who writes or reads such fics either, I'd simply move on.
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Post by eclogite on Feb 7, 2009 21:38:28 GMT -5
Of course FEDEX (formerly Flying Tiger) ships nearly everything (Oh come on, you know you were expecting it....).
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Post by Alexlayer on Feb 7, 2009 21:42:43 GMT -5
Well, that's a nice attitude to have, if you ask me, mtkau. I see your point, and I like that you respect other people's likes. Wish there were more shippers like you around ^_^
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Fusion Fox
Pink Sloth
READ THIS POST IN A MUMBLING BRITISH ACCENT
Not a bad problem to have if you ask me.
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Post by Fusion Fox on Feb 8, 2009 1:15:44 GMT -5
Where did SNS go? He was making this thread hilarious to read It's a sad state of affairs when we have to bait him. DraKim is REAL and Kim/Ron could never work! Ron is completely the wrong person for Kim, she would've dumped him the second they met if any of this was realistic! Prove me wrong!
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Post by slicknickshady on Feb 8, 2009 1:49:43 GMT -5
I speak the truth. I tell it like it is. I mean a lot of people are in denial. I mean it doesnt get more definitive then Bob and Mark saying..."Kim And Ron will be together forever." and "Kim And Ron were meant to be together from the start." and "Kim And Ron will never break up.".
People who think anything but Kim and Ron being together is possible then i feel sorry for them. They are watching a show they shouldnt be watching. I believe those people need serious help if they think two straight females, who hate each other, and who have tried to kill each other would somehow get together...it's so hillarious to even fathom.
I have said it numerous times...the people who destroy the characters are on par with murderors and rapists.
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Fusion Fox
Pink Sloth
READ THIS POST IN A MUMBLING BRITISH ACCENT
Not a bad problem to have if you ask me.
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Post by Fusion Fox on Feb 8, 2009 2:11:15 GMT -5
I mean it doesnt get more definitive then Bob and Mark saying..."Kim And Ron will be together forever." and "Kim And Ron were meant to be together from the start." and "Kim And Ron will never break up.". What makes Bob and Mark so amazing that they get to decide what I should think?
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Post by ArtFan88 on Feb 8, 2009 2:13:48 GMT -5
Hey slick, you know when it comes to fandom there's an awesome thing called a "point of view", and you know the crazy thing? EVERYONE HAS A DIFFERENT ONE OMG Part of the whole idea of being a fan is to be able to take what you're a fan of and put it into your point of view. That's why we have fanfics, fan vids, what have you. Things like that allow you to actually have FUN with the given thing you're a fan of. People like you, and I'm gonna be blunt, are like a buzzkill to the fandom because you don't want anyone to express their viewpoints on things or have fun with the show. You want everyone to conform only to "proper" cannon, and frankly dude, that makes being a fan SUCK. I wouldn't want to be a fan if all I was allowed to do with my ideas what stick strictly to cannon . The KP fandom would have been dead ages ago if we were all like you man. Just cut loose and have some fun with it, its not something to be afraid of. Don't think of it as "murdering the characters", think of it as exploring a new angle you might never have thought of before. Like I said, things like this make being a fan FUN
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Post by The Yetimonster on Feb 8, 2009 2:41:17 GMT -5
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Post by mtkau on Feb 8, 2009 2:45:45 GMT -5
I almost want to believe slick is just playing.. but surely you would get bored of that after the first 3,000 posts? I've also seen his behaviour on other sites (TV Tropes for one), and yeah.
Calling people murderers and rapists is just going a bit too far.
If I had that much trouble with it, I'd either walk away or think of it as an alt-uni. I've had enough experience with them through trek, gate and various other shows.
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Post by Ninnik Nishukan on Feb 8, 2009 13:17:48 GMT -5
This thread has officially made my bucawk soft O NOES NOW YOUR WEEKEND THREESOME WITH FUNKY AND FUSION IS RUINED D: Me, I basically reserve the right to bi tch about the ships I don't like, i.e. express my opinion, with my friends in a fun and social way-- --but actually seeking out those who ship ships I don't like and attempting to ruin their fun, just because their opinion opposes mine, would be immature, inconsiderate and an all around douchebaggy thing to do. I may personally think ships like KiGo and Drakkim are WTF!Crack ships, but why in the world should I go around bothering people about it? They can do whatever they want, just as I expect to be able to do what I want. Somebody thinks those ships are interesting, just as I may think that some ships are interesting that make others gag. I've shipped non-canon ships before, and I even like some crack ships (one of my guilty pleasures being Peach/Bowser fanart-- oh, the shame D:)-- and I wouldn't like it if the shipping police suddenly rolled around and told me I was doing something wrong, wrong, wrong when I was just having fun. Getting into a political debate and the like is okay, but trying to argue about things like preference in ships is just futile. For a few minutes, you might be able to uphold a calm discussion about how plausible a ship is or why you think somebody should be together, but it inevitably always turns into a retarded net fight. If I were to, say, walk up to a soccer field with a bunch of friends who liked basketball and start bothering the soccer players, saying soccer was worthless and basketball was the only thing they should be playing, I'm pretty sure people would think I was insane. *looks at post* Now I'm tempted to tell myself tl;dr. I'm sure I've just repeated a bunch of stuff somebody's already said. >___> Ah, well. EDIT: One more thing...while I believe everyone should be able to ship whatever they want, I have to admit the only thing that bothers me about people who ship non-canon/clearly not interested in each other kind of ships is the shippers who take it a bit too far, insisting that it's true, that they obviously already are in love on the show/in the movie/in the book etc, that it's practically canon etc...I have to say they just come across as nuts, like the more militant Harry/Hermione shippers-- or so I've heard. I'm not too into the whole HP scene. The whole 'subtext' deal just tends to make me roll my eyes in general. Like I've said, I've shipped non-canon ships before, but I did it because I thought it would be interesting if they were together, not because I believed they already were together on some sort of level. Then again, even canon ships have their extreme SERIOUS BUSINESS weirdos. Just my pet peeve there-- not written to deliberately provoke anybody.
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Post by The Yetimonster on Feb 8, 2009 13:27:13 GMT -5
The planned tryst between my beard, Funky's hair, and Fusion's unrelenting Britishness is still full steam ahead, though.
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Post by slicknickshady on Feb 8, 2009 17:10:13 GMT -5
I may personally think ships like KiGo and Drakkim are WTF!Crack ships. The whole 'subtext' deal just tends to make me roll my eyes in general. We see Eye to Eye on that... They are Crack Ships. I find it funny that people who like those ships say they are not Crack Ships. Those same people name ships they think are Crack Ships. Basically if they want to make an argument those are not Crack Ships the only way they can do that is say there are no such things as Crack Ships. There is no subtext. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
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Post by Ninnik Nishukan on Feb 8, 2009 17:31:48 GMT -5
I may personally think ships like KiGo and Drakkim are WTF!Crack ships. The whole 'subtext' deal just tends to make me roll my eyes in general. We see Eye to Eye on that... They are Crack Ships. I find it funny that people who like those ships say they are not Crack Ships. Those same people name ships they think are Crack Ships. Basically if they want to make an argument those are not Crack Ships the only way they can do that is say there are no such things as Crack Ships. There is no subtext. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Actually, if you'll just read the rest of my post and not just quote the things that you want to see because they don't contradict your already set views, you'll see that we don't see eye to eye on most things at all. I especially like how you see fit to edit out the rest of that part about KiGo and Drakkim. I may personally think ships like KiGo and Drakkim are WTF!Crack ships, but why in the world should I go around bothering people about it? They can do whatever they want, just as I expect to be able to do what I want. Somebody thinks those ships are interesting, just as I may think that some ships are interesting that make others gag.Can you see it now? The people who take 'subtext' way too seriously are thankfully a minority, as are the people who take canon way too seriously. Please don't quote my posts. Your hate is fogging up my karma.
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Post by Knife Wife on Feb 8, 2009 17:39:29 GMT -5
So, in short: why should this silly canon thing stop someone from having fun?
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Post by Ninnik Nishukan on Feb 8, 2009 17:42:50 GMT -5
So, in short: why should this silly canon thing stop someone from having fun? You just won the thread, I think.
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