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Post by eclogite on Jan 14, 2009 21:56:19 GMT -5
I don't really care for chatrooms. The chaotic character and execution of discussion is rather unappealling in most that I've encountered. Transcripts of chats are sometimes interesting, but the activity itself, not.
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Post by elvisjj on Jan 14, 2009 22:41:38 GMT -5
Your right artfan I take most of the blame for The Fight For Five, but your not without any guilt yourself either. I'm not even going to bother bringing back the past, cause the past is the past and it's done. We can look at the past and argue about it all we want, but it would just be like a chapter out of a Christmas Carol. We can only learn from the past and try to do better in the future. Which I've been trying to do and which I will be doing. I made promises and I haven't given up on those promises, but I don't have the resources that Viacom has to take on Time-Warner. (Mind you it would be nice and so much more easier) www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28440958/?gt1=43001An article worth reading, as if The Fight For Five or even myself had that kind of money and power there would already be a Season Five of Kim Possible. But I don't have that kind of money, or power or those kind of resources and neither does the diehard fans fighting to save Kim Possible. So all we can do is try to convince the media to help our cause and not just to help us, but all those other fans out there fighting to save there shows. You see for me in the beginning it was just about Kim Possible for me. As I never asked for this, I kinda of got hooked on the show and I respected Darth Comrade and Chin and still do and I thought maybe I could help these guys out and Kim Possible fans at the same time, and it didn't hurt that I was a diehard fan and I wanted Kim Possible back myself and still do. Then I met some extraordinary fans of American Dragon, Jake Long who only wanted the same as Kim Possible fans. A season Three of American Dragon, Jake Long. It wasn't much to ask for from Disney, and I mean the show never deserved to be cancelled in the first place. But since when did Disney ever care on what they should cancel or not and Disney's not alone in this, as CBS/Viacom/Paramount, Warner Bros, Universal, ABC, NBC, even Fox they really don't care much about their fans. The bottom line is what they want and think and profits. But then again even profitable shows can be argued if someone at the studio or network doesn't want the show around such as the case of the Incredible Hulk back in Universal times. Now for me it isn't just about the Fight For Five anymore. I'm just as much with the Fight For Five as before, but it's now about working with so many others who share the same dream as I do. It's about the fans, it's about listening to the fans and not just treating them like mindless puppets like how all these studios and networks do, Disney isn't the only guilt one in this. What CBS did to the Jericho fans (And I'm a huge Jericho fan) was literally a hatchet job. And the Jericho fans haven't stopped fighting for their show since, there hope is now that Jericho is on CW with reruns that maybe something will happen. But hope is what keeps a show alive. The same with Moonlight fans, Danny Phantom fans, American Dragon fans, and now Pushing Daisies. A show that so didn't deserve to get axed but it did and I knew it would. Cause AC.Nelson viewers weren't watching it, even if we the Pushing Daisies fans were. Nothing will change folks if you think this is just about Kim Possible alone. You can fight the system. You can make a difference. You all have the power here to get all four seasons of Kim Possible released on DVD NOW! Not five or six years down the road like Disney is probably planning too, it could even be longer. You all can get quality Kim Possible merchandise if you really want too. But it won't happen if you stay silent, cause then you just become a voice lost in the crowd. And finally I apologize again as I did so many times before to all the Fight For Five fans of Kim Possible. It's not me guys that have made this possible...it's YOU! Each and everyone of you who still believes in a good fight have kept Kim Possible alive since 2007 and together we will keep her alive for a long time to come.
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Post by slicknickshady on Jan 15, 2009 0:30:40 GMT -5
Oh, right, the FFF room is holy ground and spouting random non-sequiturs and veiled threats instead of actually elaborating on anything and debating like a poorly-educated 13 year old is the only form in which you can say "I don't want to argue, kind sir, and you aren't worth talking to in here because you don't support the FFF so you might as well leave." wow....you have sunk to a new low. Turning S till Ali ve into Very Dead is pathetic.
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Post by YFWE on Jan 15, 2009 0:37:19 GMT -5
If I could say something for a moment:
The 'still alive/very dead' incident has nothing to do with the FFF/FAF argument, if that's what you're getting at. Check out the song "Still Alive" from the video game Portal. As I recall, the filter was created as part of a joke because everyone was going through a 'Still Alive' phase a few months ago. Once that died down, I guess the filter was kind of forgotten about.
It wasn't meant as an attack on the FFF. But you don't have to take my word if you don't want to, it's your call. Decide for yourself.
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Post by ArtFan88 on Jan 15, 2009 1:06:37 GMT -5
Your right artfan I take most of the blame for The Fight For Five, but your not without any guilt yourself either. I'm not even going to bother bringing back the past, cause the past is the past and it's done. We can look at the past and argue about it all we want, but it would just be like a chapter out of a Christmas Carol. We can only learn from the past and try to do better in the future. Which I've been trying to do and which I will be doing. I made promises and I haven't given up on those promises, but I don't have the resources that Viacom has to take on Time-Warner. (Mind you it would be nice and so much more easier) www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28440958/?gt1=43001An article worth reading, as if The Fight For Five or even myself had that kind of money and power there would already be a Season Five of Kim Possible. But I don't have that kind of money, or power or those kind of resources and neither does the diehard fans fighting to save Kim Possible. So all we can do is try to convince the media to help our cause and not just to help us, but all those other fans out there fighting to save there shows. You see for me in the beginning it was just about Kim Possible for me. As I never asked for this, I kinda of got hooked on the show and I respected Darth Comrade and Chin and still do and I thought maybe I could help these guys out and Kim Possible fans at the same time, and it didn't hurt that I was a diehard fan and I wanted Kim Possible back myself and still do. Then I met some extraordinary fans of American Dragon, Jake Long who only wanted the same as Kim Possible fans. A season Three of American Dragon, Jake Long. It wasn't much to ask for from Disney, and I mean the show never deserved to be cancelled in the first place. But since when did Disney ever care on what they should cancel or not and Disney's not alone in this, as CBS/Viacom/Paramount, Warner Bros, Universal, ABC, NBC, even Fox they really don't care much about their fans. The bottom line is what they want and think and profits. But then again even profitable shows can be argued if someone at the studio or network doesn't want the show around such as the case of the Incredible Hulk back in Universal times. Now for me it isn't just about the Fight For Five anymore. I'm just as much with the Fight For Five as before, but it's now about working with so many others who share the same dream as I do. It's about the fans, it's about listening to the fans and not just treating them like mindless puppets like how all these studios and networks do, Disney isn't the only guilt one in this. What CBS did to the Jericho fans (And I'm a huge Jericho fan) was literally a hatchet job. And the Jericho fans haven't stopped fighting for their show since, there hope is now that Jericho is on CW with reruns that maybe something will happen. But hope is what keeps a show alive. The same with Moonlight fans, Danny Phantom fans, American Dragon fans, and now Pushing Daisies. A show that so didn't deserve to get axed but it did and I knew it would. Cause AC.Nelson viewers weren't watching it, even if we the Pushing Daisies fans were. Nothing will change folks if you think this is just about Kim Possible alone. You can fight the system. You can make a difference. You all have the power here to get all four seasons of Kim Possible released on DVD NOW! Not five or six years down the road like Disney is probably planning too, it could even be longer. You all can get quality Kim Possible merchandise if you really want too. But it won't happen if you stay silent, cause then you just become a voice lost in the crowd. And finally I apologize again as I did so many times before to all the Fight For Five fans of Kim Possible. It's not me guys that have made this possible...it's YOU! Each and everyone of you who still believes in a good fight have kept Kim Possible alive since 2007 and together we will keep her alive for a long time to come. Same old Julius, you go right around the points I laid out and keep doing what you've been doing since you came around. And this time you try to put some of the problem on ME? lol what a shocker. Is it cause I left the fight? That means I'm a traitor to KP, right? I'd try to get you to respond to any one of my points from my previous post but its clear to me that I'll never get you to respond or give a straight answer to ANYTHING, so whatever. I'm not picking any fights. You want to keep stuffing the truths of the real world under the carpet to keep the FFF alive that's fine. Its a shame; I mean even though I'm not with the fight anymore I still think they deserve better
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Post by manofevil on Jan 15, 2009 1:09:54 GMT -5
I will eventually give a fairly well considered response to all of this. But right now I just don't feel like hanging out with any of you, even virtually. Talk to you later.
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Post by Captain Serge Stiles on Jan 15, 2009 2:03:02 GMT -5
Oh, right, the FFF room is holy ground and spouting random non-sequiturs and veiled threats instead of actually elaborating on anything and debating like a poorly-educated 13 year old is the only form in which you can say "I don't want to argue, kind sir, and you aren't worth talking to in here because you don't support the FFF so you might as well leave." wow....you have sunk to a new low. Turning S till Ali ve into Very Dead is pathetic. You quoted me and then talked about something completely different. But I responded to this in your ~epic new thread~ you made about it. Which works fine, since at least people won't read over the truth in the hullabaloo of these other threads. I did that a long time ago, had nothing to do with the FFF at all.
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Post by eddybob15 on Jan 15, 2009 2:14:35 GMT -5
ArtFan, I think what Julius is saying is that despite how it looks like the FFF is a vain cause, he still has hope that Disney will hear us. Now, I don't care how many of you decide to jump ship (though I won't have the same respect for you as before) just stay out of our way. As for me, I'm sticking with Julius and what's left of the FFF to the end. We still have hope and we refuse to give it up. ArtFan, I know how the real world is, and from what I see, it's getting worse all the time. Think of the FFF not just bringing back a popular show, but also trying to make the future brighter than it seems to be going. Now, the FFF is planning an SKP event next weekend from the 23 to the 25, and I have recently suggested an SKP day on the 28, the day of that KP attraction's grand opening. It would be a perfect opportunity. I know some of you are throwing in the towel, that some of you don't want to fight anymore, and that some of you have just decided you don't want a fifth season anymore, but the FFF is going on, with or without you. You think we haven't made any progress? Well, let me tell you this: Kim has been off the air for over a year now and it still airs on Disney (albeit late at night). It's also aired many times on Toon Disney and hopefully, it will still air after that new show airs in February and Toon Disney becomes Disney XD. The point is, the FFF isn't giving up till the end, no matter what happens! I hope I made my point.
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Post by ArtFan88 on Jan 15, 2009 2:33:13 GMT -5
ArtFan, I think what Julius is saying is that despite how it looks like the FFF is a vain cause, he still has hope that Disney will hear us. Now, I don't care how many of you decide to jump ship (though I won't have the same respect for you as before) just stay out of our way. As for me, I'm sticking with Julius and what's left of the FFF to the end. We still have hope and we refuse to give it up. ArtFan, I know how the real world is, and from what I see, it's getting worse all the time. Think of the FFF not just bringing back a popular show, but also trying to make the future brighter than it seems to be going. Now, the FFF is planning an SKP event next weekend from the 23 to the 25, and I have recently suggested an SKP day on the 28, the day of that KP attraction's grand opening. It would be a perfect opportunity. I know some of you are throwing in the towel, that some of you don't want to fight anymore, and that some of you have just decided you don't want a fifth season anymore, but the FFF is going on, with or without you. You think we haven't made any progress? Well, let me tell you this: Kim has been off the air for over a year now and it still airs on Disney (albeit late at night). It's also aired many times on Toon Disney and hopefully, it will still air after that new show airs in February and Toon Disney becomes Disney XD. The point is, the FFF isn't giving up till the end, no matter what happens! I hope I made my point. ...first of all, paragraphs man. They're a big help, use 'em Second of all, while there's just so much I could go into that I can't be bothered to, I'm seeing stuff in your post that shows EXACTLY what I'm talking about when I say there's so much wrong with the FFF. Just one example: Those SKP dates you got? Have you taken a good long look at that schedule? There's 4 of them in ONE WEEK. One week, do you have any idea how bad that is? Now just multiply that by a month or h ell, a YEAR. Holy God, and you people wonder why Disney execs are getting frustrated and asking you to stop contacting them and why you've gotten negative press before. You want them to listen to you, not bash their heads into the monitor looking at their flooded inboxes. Its stuff like that that's killing you guys; I've already shined the light in your direction. All I ask is that you open your eyes
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Post by eddybob15 on Jan 15, 2009 2:39:30 GMT -5
So, what you're saying is that the FFF might have a chance if we don't frequent Disney so much?
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Post by YFWE on Jan 15, 2009 2:44:28 GMT -5
So, what you're saying is that the FFF might have a chance if we don't frequent Disney so much? Not to tell you how to run your organization or anything, but if I were Disney, I'd be more keen to listen to you if you didn't email them with as much frequency. I mean, if you want a raise from the company you work with, do you think you'd have a better chance of obtaining said raise by constantly barraging your boss with complaints about not getting a raise or if you did so less frequently (or perhaps even not at all, although that's probably not the best course of action from the FFF perspective)? It's not the best example, I know, but think of it in a similar manner.
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Post by ArtFan88 on Jan 15, 2009 2:49:02 GMT -5
So, what you're saying is that the FFF might have a chance if we don't frequent Disney so much? DING DING DING! That's EXACTLY what I'm saying. An organized movement would hold a save ( insert show here)day by the month, not by the week, or in some other way that makes sense. I'll give you an example out of my own head; if I were running a movement like this I'd have a save day maybe once every month at MOST. You guys need to adapt a more... at ease type of method for contacting Disney, something like I just said above. That way it gives Disney a break in between days (which god knows they need from you guys by now), and it gives you guys time to actually THINK AND PLAN how the movement will go from there. You know, actually GET ORGANIZED. And its not about how many emails you send, its how well they're thought out. Would you rather read the same email spammed hundreds of times over by the same 3 people on one day, or only 1 well thought out email from one person that made you actually WANT to hear that person out? Its things like this you NEED to think about if you want to give the FFF even the slightest degree of success.
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Post by eclogite on Jan 15, 2009 7:11:16 GMT -5
Might I also suggest Strunk's Elements Of Style and The Writer's Handbook? You would get more favorable attention with well written and coherent requests.
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Post by atecom on Jan 15, 2009 8:40:35 GMT -5
This message was deleted by the original poster.
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Post by atecom on Jan 15, 2009 8:43:32 GMT -5
This post was deleted by a homo named Serge
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Post by Captain Serge Stiles on Jan 15, 2009 9:07:05 GMT -5
This post was deleted by a homo named Serge I should just write that in the place of a post instead of deleting anything.
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Post by tidus on Jan 18, 2009 22:45:38 GMT -5
SDS holds a save day once a month, and rarely is it ever a save weekend. That was the tried method along with the show being popular in G.ermany. And also Eddybob just because Julius has hope doesn't mean he's doing it the right way, it just means he has the "right intentions", the FFF needs newer and more effective solutions to suceed.
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Post by Tenkan on Jan 19, 2009 9:07:12 GMT -5
*Wipes a sweat off his forehead*
Relieved Statement: Finally, the tension got just a little less...we can all have a breather, now, please.
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Post by elvisjj on Jan 19, 2009 20:14:18 GMT -5
Well one thing for sure it's never boring here, now whether that's a good thing or a bad thing I leave that up too you. Thanks for the vote of confidence there Eddybob it is appreciated.
But personally I'm tired of the drama here, as it doesn't get us anywhere, but this place has always had drama and always will. Until the lights are on here, the drama will continue.
And I suggest for those who are Fighting For Five, or just want to thank Disney for Kim Possible to focus onto Wednesday January 28th and make sure we praise and thank Disney for the Disney Showcase at Epcot. The Disney e-mail addresses can be found at the Fight For Five thread.
Though I suggest as many of us that can, to write to Disney or send post cards thanking Disney and Disney executives for the Kim Possible showcase at Epcot Center. Again the Disney mailing addresses can be found at The Fight For Five thread.
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Post by Captain Serge Stiles on Jan 19, 2009 21:44:09 GMT -5
, but this place has always had drama and always will. Until the lights are on here, the drama will continue. Drama is part of the entire internet. There would be something wrong with us if there was no drama - that would be a miracle. When you have a place that's easy access for any type of person all around the world, heck yeah there's going to be some disagreements of all sorts and extremes as we all clash with each other. And anyway, not all of us like ' the lights on' - I prefer and feel more comfortable in a dimmer room.
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