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Post by YFWE on Jan 12, 2009 10:31:43 GMT -5
So we've all started this group because we believe that KP should not, under any circumstances, return for a fifth season.
The question now is this: why do you believe that the show should stay cancelled? What are your reasons for your fears or dislike of the notion of a fifth season. Why are you 'fighting against five'?
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Post by kittypuppy on Jan 12, 2009 20:55:31 GMT -5
So we've all started this group because we believe that KP should not, under any circumstances, return for a fifth season. Well, to be perfectly honest, like I said in the 'FFF Lead/Follow/Outta The Way' thread Now, if it were to be a non-Disney fifth season, then I'd be all on board. But in the hands of Disney, it's just a given that they won't care enough to make it worthwhile and KP will go down as one of those shows where they should have just quit while they were ahead. Pretty much sums up my stance on the subject.
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Post by eclogite on Jan 12, 2009 23:17:29 GMT -5
As stated earlier, I feel that a movie type format, even a DSM (not Distinguished Service Medal, Disney Special Movie) would be far preferable to a return to serial format. I just don't think that there is a lot to be had from KP returning as a series. The folks involved with the show have all scattered to new ventures and some are even trying to shed their Disney personae, though not, fortunately, in the fashion of say Lindsay Lohan. It would be hard to get the team back together for the years of work it would take to do another series. A movie might be doable, but even that is a stretch. I would be content with a solid box set release, hopefully featuring some commentary and interviews (unfortunately unused footage has gone to the digital great beyond, may His Noodly Appendage touch it in all ways, Ra-men). An occaissional DVD movie or DSM would be icing on the cake. I'm also of the opinion that coming up with something as good as the first three seasons would be difficult to manage at this point, especially since the writers pretty much shot their bolt in terms of attempting to provide fan service (I found much of S4 enjoyable, a couple of episodes even splendid, but it just didn't seem to have the spark of the first 3). Even then they were subjected to abuse for not catering to everybody's desires in 40 odd minutes of show, I expect that this experience probably soured them on a lot of this (one notices they don't visit any of the boards much anymore, so the whole thing is probably fading into the background). As they have said, the show belongs to the fans now, so the various fanfic folk can continue the adventure in their own fashion, sould they desire.
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Post by slicknickshady on Jan 13, 2009 1:33:41 GMT -5
Even then they were subjected to abuse for not catering to everybody's desires. Hold on a second. The only people who abused TPTB were the people who hated that Kim/Ron and Drakken/Shego were canon. The people who hated that TPTB didnt leave more Ambiguity. The people who hated that TPTB answered questions about the futures of the characters. The people who did this are not really fans of the show imo. If people can't respect the creators of the show then why do you watch it. So don't you dare assume the FFF people are the ones who soured the creators to come on this board. It's the people i mentioned above. Look it up. Read the series finale review thread... ronstoppable.proboards89.com/index.cgi?board=episode&action=display&thread=8691Read this thread... ronstoppable.proboards89.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=villains&thread=6952&page=5You got to love Loter's post.. Loter pwnned the Haters.
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Post by eclogite on Jan 13, 2009 6:37:23 GMT -5
Who dares, wins....
Don't you find issuing threats over the internet, to people you don't even know and will never meet, rather pointless?
The impression I got from those threads is that he was just tired of the whole thing and making statments to get people to quit annoying him. In any event, one needn't agree with the decisions made towards the end of something to enjoy that entity. There have been a great many shows that started very well but lost their flavor after some point in production, hence the term "jumping the shark". It is not uncommon for people to continue watching reruns of something prior to the point of change and be utterly disinterested in later episodes. This is the case here.There are many episodes in the show that I treasure, however there are less of these in, proportionally, in the terminal season than in the three that preceded it. One of the reasons that series end is that a change in the style, direction, quality or writing of a show induces viewers to lose interest inthe show. "Respect" has nothing to do with it.
The overall feel of the show changed during the fourth season, much of the spark seemed to be lost, the general impression of many of these instalments was that of the writers trying to crank out episodes while cleaning out their desks. In the military this is refered to as the FIGMO effect.
Another aspect was the feeling that some of what they put out was more in the vein of "people keep bugging us about this, so we might as well include it in an episode, rather than put up with more whining". Sort of the fan service version of Grande Size Me (I happened to enjoy that particular episode, having seen the pseudo documentary it spoofs shortly before).
The emphatic manner in which one of the writers stated that there would be no more episodes at the luncheon tends to reinforce this, I can't recall which one it was, but the overall tine was that they were done, it was time to move on and they (or he)no longer wanted to be pestered. It's understandable, most people eventually tire of things they do and move on to other activities. It's not unusual to want a clean exit when that point is reached.
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Post by Captain Serge Stiles on Jan 13, 2009 8:17:57 GMT -5
Who dares, wins.... Don't you find issuing threats over the internet, to people you don't even know and will never meet, rather pointless? The impression I got from those threads is that he was just tired of the whole thing and making statments to get people to quit annoying him. In any event, one needn't agree with the decisions made towards the end of something to enjoy that entity. There have been a great many shows that started very well but lost their flavor after some point in production, hence the term "jumping the shark". It is not uncommon for people to continue watching reruns of something prior to the point of change and be utterly disinterested in later episodes. This is the case here.There are many episodes in the show that I treasure, however there are less of these in, proportionally, in the terminal season than in the three that preceded it. One of the reasons that series end is that a change in the style, direction, quality or writing of a show induces viewers to lose interest inthe show. "Respect" has nothing to do with it. The overall feel of the show changed during the fourth season, much of the spark seemed to be lost, the general impression of many of these instalments was that of the writers trying to crank out episodes while cleaning out their desks. In the military this is refered to as the FIGMO effect. Another aspect was the feeling that some of what they put out was more in the vein of "people keep bugging us about this, so we might as well include it in an episode, rather than put up with more whining". Sort of the fan service version of Grande Size Me (I happened to enjoy that particular episode, having seen the pseudo documentary it spoofs shortly before). The emphatic manner in which one of the writers stated that there would be no more episodes at the luncheon tends to reinforce this, I can't recall which one it was, but the overall tine was that they were done, it was time to move on and they (or he)no longer wanted to be pestered. It's understandable, most people eventually tire of things they do and move on to other activities. It's not unusual to want a clean exit when that point is reached. This.
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Post by atecom on Jan 13, 2009 8:23:30 GMT -5
Cause 5 is Fusions favourite number.
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Post by Captain Serge Stiles on Jan 13, 2009 12:01:43 GMT -5
I also think it would be best if Kim Possible faded out so that people with unhealthy obsessions for it and letting it rule their life and actually cause themselves emotional distress about it can finally move the hell on and laugh at their ridiculous obsessive hold on it in the future. It's just a TV show there to entertain, not take hold so all you can ever do is live and breathe it and act like you'll die without it.
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Post by Lord FunkyHoof on Jan 13, 2009 12:03:07 GMT -5
Preach it to da crowd, sista!
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Post by Captain Serge Stiles on Jan 13, 2009 12:06:42 GMT -5
PRAISE THE LAWD, I'M GON SHOUT IT TO TH'STAHS! MMMM HM!
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Post by nakedmolecrap on Jan 13, 2009 12:09:23 GMT -5
Even then they were subjected to abuse for not catering to everybody's desires. Hold on a second. The only people who abused TPTB were the people who hated that Kim/Ron and Drakken/Shego were canon. The people who hated that TPTB didnt leave more Ambiguity. The people who hated that TPTB answered questions about the futures of the characters. The people who did this are not really fans of the show imo. If people can't respect the creators of the show then why do you watch it. So don't you dare assume the FFF people are the ones who soured the creators to come on this board. It's the people i mentioned above. Look it up. Read the series finale review thread... ronstoppable.proboards89.com/index.cgi?board=episode&action=display&thread=8691Read this thread... ronstoppable.proboards89.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=villains&thread=6952&page=5You got to love Loter's post.. Loter pwnned the Haters. I remember being a Kim/Ron shipper before reading slicknickshady's rants.
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Post by Fusion Fox on Jan 13, 2009 13:48:17 GMT -5
I also think it would be best if Kim Possible faded out so that people with unhealthy obsessions for it and letting it rule their life and actually cause themselves emotional distress about it can finally move the hell on and laugh at their ridiculous obsessive hold on it in the future. It's just a TV show there to entertain, not take hold so all you can ever do is live and breathe it and act like you'll die without it. I tried to put this as my signature but it's too long :<
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Post by Lord FunkyHoof on Jan 13, 2009 13:50:07 GMT -5
THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID.
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Post by lordvictorino on Jan 13, 2009 15:44:25 GMT -5
I also think it would be best if Kim Possible faded out so that people with unhealthy obsessions for it and letting it rule their life and actually cause themselves emotional distress about it can finally move the hell on and laugh at their ridiculous obsessive hold on it in the future. It's just a TV show there to entertain, not take hold so all you can ever do is live and breathe it and act like you'll die without it. Hi All, I think it's Best that the people of the Kim Possible Fight Against Five just move on with their Unhealthy Obsessions over The Kim Possible Fight For Five. For The Kim Possible Fight For Five is just a Hobie for a group of people to help bring back a show that should continue, in which brings them Happiness and Joy, unlike the Fear and Suffering that The Kim Possible Fight Against Five brings others. It's just a TV show there to entertain, not take hold of you and cause you all to suffocate and act like you'll die if there is another season. I would suggest that you not Obsess over what others do, and worry about your own Emotionally Distressed lives, instead. Back on Subject: Reasons for no season five? Hmmm... Sorry, Can't think of any. Take Care! Please and Thank You, Tony M. Victorino
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Post by eclogite on Jan 13, 2009 15:50:13 GMT -5
Could be a Hunter S thompson novel in there: Fear And Loathing In Cartoonland....
I'm also somewhat dubious regarding the recognizing of trends equating to fear.
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Post by YFWE on Jan 13, 2009 15:52:24 GMT -5
And more of the personal attacks! We're emotionally distressed now, are we?
Sorry, Tony. We have a cause and we are going to stand for what we believe. Like it or not, no matter what names you call us or insults you fling our way, it's not gonna matter.
Also... I was not aware anyone was living in fear or was actually suffering over our existence! If anything, it seems as if some folks have said the opposite and claim US to be the fearful ones!
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Jan 13, 2009 16:03:56 GMT -5
Speaking as somebody who's chosen to just watch the FFF and FAF battle it out...
my reasons for no season five are quite simple, however hard to explain. Mostly because I like to go on about this.
Serge's post is the perfect reasoning why. I was one of those people who when I watched KP, I didn't just watch it, it was an experience, I lived it. I barely watched anything but KP, or Disney Channel for several years, but, as time progressed, especially through season 4... and I found out that this was it, I realised I've got to let it go. I watched other channels, I discovered and rediscovered other shows, I catalogued all my feelings on the matter, talked about it to no end, went through the stages of grief, and let them all go.
By the time the series finale aired, I was okay with it. Yes, I cried, but I found from the sadness a willingness to MOVE ON, being consoled by the idea of not knowing what the future holds. And I moved on quickly. I was onto my next obsession within a month of KP's end.
Now, when KP was ending/had finished, I had said, if I want season 5, I will know within two weeks. Or something to that effect. But, the finale aired, and two weeks passed after. It felt like the end, it gave me what I wanted, and I said, "This is the end of KP, but that's okay. Because what I've gained from this experience will be with me every day of my life."
Now, it's been like, what... nearly a year and a half since KP ended? A Time calculator I Googled tell me it's been a year, 4 months, 5 days... and so forth. I'm okay. You wanna know how many times I've watched KP since the series ended? Once. In June of 2008. I don't need to watch KP as much. I know I love it. I stopped watching KP everyday during 2007, and I was okay with, though at some point I was so distressed about it, but it's another experience. I don't have to watch my favourite shows every freakin day to get by.
So... to sum up, my reasoning to no season five is this: I've moved on. It happens. It was a nice couple of years, I'll never forget it.
Plus, don't think I'd want to see the same stuff happen for a third time. I mean, season 3 ended, fight for four, they won, season 4 came, then it ended, fight for five... you see the pattern? It'll be an endless circle. And that's not something I'm willing to see.
As I write this, I really wonder if I'd actually watch a season five if it happened. I can't even give MYSELF a definite answer.
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Post by lordvictorino on Jan 13, 2009 16:26:59 GMT -5
And more of the personal attacks! We're emotionally distressed now, are we? Sorry, Tony. We have a cause and we are going to stand for what we believe. Like it or not, no matter what names you call us or insults you fling our way, it's not gonna matter. Also... I was not aware anyone was living in fear or was actually suffering over our existence! If anything, it seems as if some folks have said the opposite and claim US to be the fearful ones! Hi All, Just remember that a Knife can cut both ways. And it's funny how some can dish it out, but just can't take it. I, for one, don't fear The Kim Possible Fight Against Five, it just makes me more resolved than ever to Fight even harder for a Fifth Season of Kim Possible. And I, for one, am not going to be Bullied out of it! OH NO! I said the ,"B" Word. Please and Thank You, Tony M. Victorino
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Post by YFWE on Jan 13, 2009 17:13:05 GMT -5
Haha, if that's the case, then we NEED each other, don't we? It only makes us stronger. And as for the name calling or whatever, I know you can take it, so whatever comments that were made on the matter were certainly not directed toward yourself. I can take it too and not mind--after all, we HAVE been called quite a lot over the past few days and I haven't gone and cried in a corner yet... I think the comments were mostly to those who called someone something but made an outcry when it was put back on them.
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Post by Knife Wife on Jan 13, 2009 17:56:00 GMT -5
There was a definitive conclusion. Actually, there were two of them. That's better than a lot of tv shows get. We don't need more.
Also, it seems like the quality was starting to drop in season 4. No need to to see it hit rock-bottom in a season 5.
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