Would you find it more palatable?

[eoraptor]

Okay, this is not a "yet another why not kigo" thread.

It's actually tangentially related to a plot bunneh I had, and am trying to work out the details of. The two loudest protestations against Slash in general, and Kigo in particular that I come across are "Kim's Not Gay!" and "Kim Loves Ron!". Not always in that order, but about evenly split.

The Kim Loves Ron argument? Well, can't really ARGUE that one without discounting Season 4 and STD, but that's why we write fan fictions, so that we can re-imagine the characters in situations they weren't in on the show.

Lets face it, NO ONE in the Disney multiverse is gay. Just like no one has sex before marriage, and heroes don't kill villains on purpose, and all those other MouseHouse banalities. So screaming Kim Isn't Gay is counter-productive.

But, the thought occurs to me. Kim and Shego have much in common. Both alpha types, both strong willed to the point of arrogance, both athletes, etc... So they'd pretty much be bound to interact if not for the hero/villain thing, and either be closely connected, or bitterly opposed.

Of course, they do both in the show depending on which episodes you're watching.

So, (since I haven't seen this particular question asked in the months I've been coming to RS.net) would those of you not into Kigo for one of the two above reasons find Kigo more palatable if either Kim or Shego were male?

Obviously "butch" accusations have been made against both characters, and how often do you see either one in the traditionally feminine role on the show to begin with? Change a chromosome here or there, and does that make the argument evaporate?

[Muzzlehatch]

I think that KiGo works because two women being affectionate with each other is more attractive to most people than two guys. Zaratan asked his readers if they were OK with some male-on-male action in his fanfic "Late Night Home", and I don't think that there was much enthusiasm. I can't see men getting mushy and I've been acquainted with a few gay male couples. I once knew a mobile home repairman whose boyfriend was a military cop, They were both masculine and I couldn't imagine them smooching or whispering sweet nothings into the other's ear...maybe they took turns raping each other.

[mtkau]

I think turning one of them into a man to soothe anti-kigo people is a copout. Changing your work just to make someone else feel better isn't the way to do things.

I don't doubt that making one of them a man is something interesting, but doing it just to do kigo without attracting anti-slash heat isn't a good reason.

If you want to do KiGo, then do KiGo and darn the torpedoes.

If you want to do an AU with Shego/Kim as a man, then do the AU and ship them anyway.

It's a huge character change (especially if you turn kim into a dude, because you are then going to have to deal with changing her high school status, relationships with Ron, Monique, her parents), and failing to write the change in character in a coherent fashion could make it bad.

Shego is probably easier to switch, but if you do that you might as well be doing KiGo anyway. You might be able to do some easy UST, but a male shego is probably going to be someone who likes the conquest far more than what happens after, and probably leave a female Kim hanging.

This is just my opinion of course.

[eoraptor]

Well, as I'd said, I'd already had an idea for a fic which I am now nibbling away at, no I would never stoop to changing a pairing based on what fans did or didn't want. 1.) I'm not paid, so I;m doing this for myself, not a paycheck or the wants of others (though I'd be lying if I said I didn't heed my reviews occasionally) and 2.) I think you need to be able to write even things you don't like or consider distasteful to consider yourself any kind of writer.

The question just occurred to me, since that is the most common complaint against Kigo and any ofther KP femslash fics. and since there's not many viable men to pair her with, femslash is about all you're left with for the show. Hence begging the question would people find it more permissible?

[KillerBebe Obeys Zita]

The main problem that I find with "Kigo" is not the femslash but the age difference, even if you changed one to a male they would still be about a 15 year age gap. If it was a later years story say with Kim 25 or older it would or could be more acceptable. As for other age appropriate pairings, for Kim you have a wide range to pair her with, from Bonnie, Tara, Monique, Zita and the girl in blue. For Shego you are right in saying that there are few to pick from because of her age or main characters, but you could still have Kim"s or Ron's mother hooking up with her.

[mtkau]

I really doubt Shego is in her mid-30's (to make the 15 year difference from Kim around being around 18).

[RedBlueGreen]

I'd say Shego was in her late twenties by the time Kim was 18.

I don't see the idea idea as "more palatable", but it's curious and could be interesting.

[slicknickshady]

Sick and wrong.

[lordvictorino]

Hi All,

But no one seems to have any problem with the Canon Shipping they did of Dr. Drakken and Shego at the end of Graduation. Isn't there a bit of a age difference there? But they did not have a problem with that. As far as I'm concerned, age only matters if you are shipping adults in adult situations. As long as both are of legal age, Example 18+, I don't have a problem with any shipping at all when age is concerned.

But since I'm more of a Drakkim shipper, I'm probably have two strikes against me in this thread.

WRONGSICK!!!

Please and Thank You,

Tony M. Victorino

[shockwave]

May 28, 2009 23:37:53 GMT -5 slicknickshady said:

Sick and wrong.

Kigo.

[Nightspade]

Hello everyone. Prepare for massive ridicule, quotes, and links to TVTropes.

[Nightspade]

"Most fans ship. Some of them have a distinct ship that they like over all others, while some of them support several, sometimes contradictory, pairings. Some of them like to debate a pairing while keeping in mind its status in canon, while some of them discuss it believing their pairing IS Canon (or will inevitably be).

Now throw in the power of the Internet to connect everybody (and everybody's opinions) with everybody else...

Shippers tend to become emotionally invested in their pairings, and Internet shipping discussions can be hard to keep peaceful. All too often, however, they can't help but devolve into heated quarrels where preferences are insulted, ad hominem attacks are thrown, and comparisons to Nazis are made (though, to be sure, the latter aspect is just as capable of arising from any subject of disagreement currently known to exist).

These Flame Wars are known as Shipping Wars: verbal arguments between people with different opinions about romantic relationships between fictional characters. There are those who bash whoever doesn't like their ship of choice, those who bash whoever likes a certain ship, and those who do both, usually basing their attacks on how canon/Fanon the discussed ship is. The fact that most ships really aren't canon and will never be is usually ignored. Particular hatred for a pairing or a character who gets in the way of a pairing manifests in the form of Die For Our Ship. "

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShipToShipCombat


For a more simple explanation: Fan Dumb, basically meaning that if you have any sort of emotional investment in how someone else feels about the romantic life of two or more fictional, FICTIONAL (I cannot stress this word enough) and you feel the need to have a serious, heated, and passonate debate about this subject, you're a moron. Quit breathing my oxygen.