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Post by nabusan on Jun 30, 2006 15:33:05 GMT -5
Can someone fill me in on the ARA conflict? That's the only one I haven't heard about. I'm guessing we have a truce now?
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Post by wallaceb on Jun 30, 2006 15:34:31 GMT -5
Can someone fill me in on the ARA conflict? That's the only one I haven't heard about. I'm guessing we have a truce now? i have not heard much about it either
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Post by captainkodak1 on Jun 30, 2006 15:48:47 GMT -5
Nothing there about ARA. This is all about DeviantArts.
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Post by Nightspade on Jun 30, 2006 15:50:48 GMT -5
Can someone fill me in on the ARA conflict? That's the only one I haven't heard about. I'm guessing we have a truce now? It was a brief Civil (Cross-board Flame)War in the fandom between two of the Biggest KP boards on the net.
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Post by captainkodak1 on Jun 30, 2006 15:51:38 GMT -5
ARA and RS.net are two different forums. Each has their own niche. There have been misunderstandings between the two and between members of the two. No big! I am a member of both and have enjoyed being at both. Each has it's own flavor.
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Post by Nightspade on Jun 30, 2006 15:53:43 GMT -5
Problem was, a few people on both boards didn't like how things were being run on the other board. Things were said, FF.net and DA were dragged into the conflict, and then we all made peace. Let's just drop the subject now.
And, back to the point I was trying to make- Why is there such turmoil involving the KP fandom?
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Post by captainkodak1 on Jun 30, 2006 16:08:59 GMT -5
I think it is new expectations of the coming season, not having new shows until then, new people coming into the fandom, others leaving, and just generally things happen. I was half expecting this to happen at DA, just not to the limit they may take it. RS.net had problems, the slash board had problems. All of it boils down is there apparently a few people out there complaining enough that something was done. Personally I think they took it too far. In any group you will have egos/personalities fighting. Personally I didn't have a gripe with any of Rich's pics. BUT I will also say that I am close to Rich and that may effect my judgement. I guess it all boils down to different egos and personalities. Sooner or later there will be a ruckus. Like the thread I started here sometime ago about "oversexualizing Kim" There were many different opinions about the subject. Some people have a little different opinion of what Kim is or will be in the future. Some see her a still a yound innocent teen girl. Others see her as a growing maturing exploring young woman. Put all that together and something is gonna crash. Just my thoughts on the whole thing.
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Post by Nightspade on Jun 30, 2006 16:31:37 GMT -5
All the new fans coming in... Yes, I can see how that would cause a bit of skirmish, since they might be younger, and will tell their parents if they find something. Though, as much as I love KP and all the people I know who like it, I have a major problem with many of them: They're taking it a little too seriously. I know it's a great show, but it seems that some people are forgetting that is just that, a show.
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Post by wallaceb on Jun 30, 2006 16:34:46 GMT -5
true it is just a show, but should be not be allowed to express our fondness for the show?
even if we may take it seriously... only because we like the show so much?
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Post by Nightspade on Jun 30, 2006 16:37:25 GMT -5
But's it's almost becoming a religion! People are turning a children's show into a faith! And anyone who blasphems is the subject of persecution from one sect, and praise from another!
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Post by wallaceb on Jun 30, 2006 16:39:18 GMT -5
i do not think i would go that far, but if you say we are going that far, then yes, we have gone too far
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Post by Nightspade on Jun 30, 2006 16:50:27 GMT -5
Just like with the oversexualizing topic, and the in depth reinterperitations and analyzations of the writer's presentation of each character and each scene... It's causing rifts in the fandom. Take Christianity for a example. The Bible was re-written and reinterperated in so many small ways, and it caused different sects to form. And they've lost sight of the one thing that unites them, despite their differences: They all agree that Jesus is the savior. Just as all KP fans believe KP is awesome.
I can see, how an artist having his work censored would offend the artist. Spending long amounts of time on a picture to be viewed by all, just to be denied the joy of others seeing it. I'd be pissed. But, in all honesty, looking at children's cartoon characters in a sexual light is kind of creepy. Like people who look at Brandy from Brandy and Mr. Whiskers as a sexual being.
Now, see, this is where the Church of KP experiences it's Protestant Movement. Many believe that Sex and KP shouldn't be mixed, while many believe that Kim is a teenager, and probably does think about sex every now and then, and still others have made her and the other characters out to be sex maniacs!
If fans would just learn to ignore the content that offends them, and focus on the stuff they love, then everyone would get along fine. But, nooooo. People have to crusade, they have to stop the blasphemy, they have to convince others that their faith is right, and that all the others are wrong.
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Post by wallaceb on Jun 30, 2006 16:53:18 GMT -5
it is sad, but that is true why can't we all get along?
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Post by nabusan on Jun 30, 2006 17:06:02 GMT -5
But's it's almost becoming a religion! People are turning a children's show into a faith! And anyone who blasphems is the subject of persecution from one sect, and praise from another! I couldn't have put it better myself! lol. I'm sad to say that I'm one these people ^^
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Post by Mr. Dubois a.k.a IvyMae on Jun 30, 2006 17:38:59 GMT -5
All the new fans coming in... Yes, I can see how that would cause a bit of skirmish, since they might be younger, and will tell their parents if they find something. I'm sorry... but I have to laugh at this... you mean to tell me that a young teen looking at fanart will go and tell their parents that they found half naked pics of their favorite cartoon characters? even a pre teen? I seriously doubt this, for one thing they aren't going to tell their parents infear of getting in trouble for looking at stuff they shouldn't, and two they probably liked what they saw (the young teens anyways) I personally wish that DA would do something to resrict the younger members from viewing the art beside a clickable button asking if they want mature deviations showing or not. God know's I'm not entirely happy knowing I've got 13-14 year olds commenting on some of the things I've got posted... meh... I don'tknow where I'm going with this... all I can say is that yeah I've got things on there that violate the policy, I know this, and if they delete them I really can't complain too much.
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Jun 30, 2006 17:41:45 GMT -5
But's it's almost becoming a religion! People are turning a children's show into a faith! And anyone who blasphems is the subject of persecution from one sect, and praise from another! I couldn't have put it better myself! lol. I'm sad to say that I'm one these people ^^ I am also one of these people too. ;D
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Post by Nightspade on Jun 30, 2006 17:44:38 GMT -5
All the new fans coming in... Yes, I can see how that would cause a bit of skirmish, since they might be younger, and will tell their parents if they find something. I'm sorry... but I have to laugh at this... you mean to tell me that a young teen looking at fanart will go and tell their parents that they found half naked pics of their favorite cartoon characters? even a pre teen? I seriously doubt this, for one thing they aren't going to tell their parents infear of getting in trouble for looking at stuff they shouldn't, and two they probably liked what they saw (the young teens anyways) I meant younger kids then younger teens. Everyone knows they won'd tell.
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Post by SonicElectronic on Jun 30, 2006 18:16:47 GMT -5
nope, I agree with deviantART imposing their rules that you agreed to (whether or not you actually READ the acceptance) when you joined. It is their website, not yours. They're allowing you to have a space on their site as long as you follow by their rules.
True, I DO agree they've got to do something about all those 'artistic nudes' constantly popping up on the DD. I've ranted about that before, it's completely disgusting and I'm so sick of it. MOST of those are not artistic nudes, they're nasty and the artist just slaps 'artistic nude' on it and thus it becomes so. And if you complain about people doing that, then you're being hypocritical by saying 'KIM'S 18 80!!!1!one' in a picture that depicts her suggestively & maturely. However, you still broke rules when you posted your artwork and have no reason to complain. Props to you, Ivy for recognising that. You're spiffical♡ but if the art goes over their limits, then, well, it's gonna go and whatcha gonna do :/
They're not 'raging war' on Kim Possible, they're not saying you can't draw that kind of artwork. They're saying you can't post that kind of artwork on their website. Yes, theirs, not yours :/
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Post by blak on Jun 30, 2006 18:19:48 GMT -5
nope, I agree with deviantART imposing their rules that you agreed to (whether or not you actually READ the acceptance) when you joined. It is their website, not yours. They're allowing you to have a space on their site as long as you follow by their rules. True, I DO agree they've got to do something about all those 'artistic nudes' constantly popping up on the DD. I've ranted about that before, it's completely disgusting and I'm so sick of it. MOST of those are not artistic nudes, they're nasty and the artist just slaps 'artistic nude' on it and thus it becomes so. And if you complain about people doing that, then you're being hypocritical by saying 'KIM'S 18 80!!!1!one' in a picture that depicts her suggestively & maturely. However, you still broke rules when you posted your artwork and have no reason to complain. Props to you, Ivy for recognising that. You're spiffical♡ but if the art goes over their limits, then, well, it's gonna go and whatcha gonna do :/ They're not 'raging war' on Kim Possible, they're not saying you can't draw that kind of artwork. They're saying you can't post that kind of artwork on their website. Yes, theirs, not yours :/ I'll go with SE. I agree.
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Post by Nightspade on Jun 30, 2006 18:20:22 GMT -5
It's the cold hard truth. People just need to stop making porn and calling it art, when it is, in fact, porn!
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