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Post by Commander Argus on Sept 18, 2006 22:15:29 GMT -5
There are 3 dead links on Lev's list
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Post by drakkenfan on Sept 18, 2006 22:18:44 GMT -5
What bugs me the most is how DA deleted my pic of Kim pregnant, wearing her normal clothes.
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Post by Whisper from the Shadows on Sept 18, 2006 22:21:02 GMT -5
What bugs me the most is how DA deleted my pic of Kim pregnant, wearing her normal clothes. That's just (because derogitory remarks about other websites are discouraged this portion of this post has been deleted). Was it the one where Ron was leaving on a mission without her?
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Post by Commander Argus on Sept 18, 2006 22:25:12 GMT -5
I think you're thinking of Ivymae. DF's had Drakken as the father
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Post by drakkenfan on Sept 18, 2006 22:28:40 GMT -5
What bugs me the most is how DA deleted my pic of Kim pregnant, wearing her normal clothes. That's just (because derogitory remarks about other websites are discouraged this portion of this post has been deleted). Was it the one where Ron was leaving on a mission without her? No... It was this one...
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Post by Commander Argus on Sept 18, 2006 22:30:35 GMT -5
I've never heard of anyone's "Ron as the father" pictures being deleted (one was taken down by the artist)
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Post by Whisper from the Shadows on Sept 18, 2006 22:31:29 GMT -5
That's just (because derogitory remarks about other websites are discouraged this portion of this post has been deleted). Was it the one where Ron was leaving on a mission without her? No... It was this one... That's really cute, I musta missed it flipping through your thumbnails before. And they deleted it? Did they give you a reason?
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Post by drakkenfan on Sept 18, 2006 22:37:34 GMT -5
No... It was this one... That's really cute, I musta missed it flipping through your thumbnails before. And they deleted it? Did they give you a reason? You probably missed it because it was only up for 2 days before they deleted it. It's really sad because it took me 4 days to draw. They just said it was a policy violation, but never told me what policy. I've never seen anything in their policies that would apply to this drawing. I just think someone hates DraKim and wants it all deleted.
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Post by Whisper from the Shadows on Sept 18, 2006 22:43:11 GMT -5
That's really cute, I musta missed it flipping through your thumbnails before. And they deleted it? Did they give you a reason? You probably missed it because it was only up for 2 days before they deleted it. It's really sad because it took me 4 days to draw. They just said it was a policy violation, but never told me what policy. I've never seen anything in their policies that would apply to this drawing. I just think someone hates DraKim and wants it all deleted. Well, this coming from someone who's not the biggest Drakkim fan, that pic was great, and I'm sorry that the (deleted for content) people at DA deleted it. I would write them and ask if you could get a response about why they were deleted, see if one of the mods there might give you a real answer.
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Post by Ezbok58a on Sept 18, 2006 22:47:56 GMT -5
You probably missed it because it was only up for 2 days before they deleted it. It's really sad because it took me 4 days to draw. They just said it was a policy violation, but never told me what policy. I've never seen anything in their policies that would apply to this drawing. I just think someone hates DraKim and wants it all deleted. Well, this coming from someone who's not the biggest Drakkim fan, that pic was great, and I'm sorry that the (deleted for content) people at DA deleted it. I would write them and ask if you could get a response about why they were deleted, see if one of the mods there might give you a real answer. You'd have better luck finding a needle in a haystack. Judging by their crackdown recently, I would say it is because the pic shows a rather young looking Kim pregnant with Drakken as the father. Someone probably saw that as offensive (Kim looks underage+pregnant+Drakken as father=Illegal in most US States) and it is gone from their board. Drakim, is not a art that goes over well on DA, mainly for the age difference, DA doesn't really check into it that much, if it got flagged then that's it.
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Post by drakkenfan on Sept 18, 2006 22:48:12 GMT -5
Maybe I will... I'm just afraid that when they see they actually have no policy against it, they'll make a new policy that showing a minor in a relationship with an adult is a violation. Then they'd go delete my few remaining DraKim pics. I know that sounds paranoid, but after I've had so many pics deleted, I fear drawing any attention to myself would just make them delete more.
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Post by surforst on Sept 19, 2006 8:34:36 GMT -5
Judging by their crackdown recently, I would say it is because the pic shows a rather young looking Kim pregnant with Drakken as the father. Someone probably saw that as offensive (Kim looks underage+pregnant+Drakken as father=Illegal in most US States) and it is gone from their board. Drakim, is not a art that goes over well on DA, mainly for the age difference, DA doesn't really check into it that much, if it got flagged then that's it. Pretty much the truth on this one. I'm actually surprised they haven't deleted everything yet and issued a very firm warning followed by a ban. Drakkim depending on how you view it is an illegal relationship after all and I give credit to DA for holding back as much as they do. Would you want to deal with issues like that on your site? My only advice Drakkenfan is to find somewhere else where you could possibly host your pictures. DA I doubt will ever change its mind on this one.
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Sept 19, 2006 8:57:37 GMT -5
Yeah, I hate to agree, but I agree with surforst. As an adult, I'm kind of against minor/adult relationships cuz it's just messed up.
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Post by teztor123 on Sept 19, 2006 15:07:15 GMT -5
If you really look through lots of KP related material on DA - there's tons of stuff still there that is a lot worse than anything DF has ever done.
What has been apparent to me for quite some time - is that there is a person or persons who have it in for her and are monitoring her work and reporting anything they don't like, although she obviously is far from the only person they are going after.
DA itself is completely inconsistent about what they delete. I've seen pages where they deleted one pic while other pics on that very same page, which were far worse, were left alone. Obviously, the admin doing the deleting didn't even bother to look at the rest of the page - they just responeded to a pic they'd gotten a complaint about.
Mostly, their site is to big for them to administer their own policies so they just go after things people report to them, letting Digital Vigilantes dictate what is deleted and what isn't.
So ... it actually isn't an issue of what "DA" has it in for ... it's a question of what the Vigilantes going around reporting things have it in for.
It's the path of least resistance for DA to just delete things - so that's what they do.
Now ... as has been mentioned by some people who are fans of DA - it is a great resource for artists - there are just some things you are going to have to put up with if you want to post there. Inconsistency being one of them.
It's their board and they can have any rules they want.
The fact that they don't even know their own rules - is another thing ... but then that's another story ...
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Post by surforst on Sept 19, 2006 19:54:06 GMT -5
The fact that they don't even know their own rules - is another thing ... but then that's another story ... No I think their rule about showing a minor in a relationship with a way older adult has been a very consistent one with DrakkenFan. If I had to guess I'd say the Admins have actually ignored requests to delete some of her pics and just go after the worse of the lot. Lets face it a lot of fans will not like Drakkim and that's their right. Its also their right to let their feelings be known and ask the moderators to delete the pic. Heck if I wanted to I could complain to Dracko about the picture in this thread and then let him decide what to do. That is if I cared...which I don't but I'm not one to slam people for objecting to what they view as obscene artwork. Freedom of Speech does not apply here after all. Anyway as I stated before Drakkenfan should probably consider moving to a more liberal art site that will allow whatever. That way her artwork will be left alone.
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Post by teztor123 on Sept 20, 2006 1:47:23 GMT -5
The fact that they don't even know their own rules - is another thing ... but then that's another story ... No I think their rule about showing a minor in a relationship with a way older adult has been a very consistent one with DrakkenFan. If I had to guess I'd say the Admins have actually ignored requests to delete some of her pics and just go after the worse of the lot. Lets face it a lot of fans will not like Drakkim and that's their right. Its also their right to let their feelings be known and ask the moderators to delete the pic. Heck if I wanted to I could complain to Dracko about the picture in this thread and then let him decide what to do. That is if I cared...which I don't but I'm not one to slam people for objecting to what they view as obscene artwork. Freedom of Speech does not apply here after all. Anyway as I stated before Drakkenfan should probably consider moving to a more liberal art site that will allow whatever. That way her artwork will be left alone. 1) My remarks were not merely addressing DF's pictures but all the KP deletions. Overall, in their deletion of KP pictures, they have been very inconsistent as I described. On the issue of KP being made pregnant by Drakken - yes they have deleted a number of those pictures probably for exactly the reasons you describe. 2) The quoted remark I made about them not knowing their own rules was not KP related. That had to do with an issue regarding a picture of mine they deleted. It was a screen cap they said I didn't have permission to post. I asked them if I couldn't post screen caps. They said I needed permission. I obtained permission. They THEN told me I couldn't post screen caps. I didn't really care that they didn't want me posting screen caps but I did care that they failed to answer my specific question about them, causing me to bother the source for permission and only THEN tell me I couldn't post caps. Had the person who answered my very specific question said "You cannot post screen caps" I'd have had no complaint but given the fact that they didn't seem to know their own rules - I do have a complaint. DA is a really big site with lots of pictures. I'm sure they have lots of issues with pictures people post. Like many big sites - they don't even try to monitor all the pictures themselves but rely on protests to screen them. The problem with this - is that they are letting people with a grudge against a particular artist, or subject, dictate what is deleted and what isn't. Given their rules - where "alluring" is one of the criteria, almost anyone's pictures could be deleted. Given the fact that any number KP pictures have been deleted from DA, yes ... those desiring to post more mature pictures of KP might well find somewhere else to post them. Espeacially since they do seem to be allowing some self appointed vigilantes to go about reporting people. Now ... you may think these people have a "right" to be vigilantes - but I don't think much of a site that lets people use their admins for personal grudges.
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Post by surforst on Sept 20, 2006 2:33:51 GMT -5
Now ... you may think these people have a "right" to be vigilantes - but I don't think much of a site that lets people use their admins for personal grudges. How are these people vigilantes? To be a vigilante in this sense they'd have to hack into DA itself just to delete a pic they want gone. Instead what they are actually doing is complaining to an Admin who takes their side. It doesn't matter if everyone who complains about Drakkenfan artwork despises her. What matters in the end is that the Admin agreed that the picture are over the top. Seriously the Admins over there have decided that Drakkim is a set of pictures they don't want on their site. As I stated before I'm surprised that if this is just one in a many of series of pics deleted that they just didn't ban Drakkenfan and get it over with. I know when I did the whole Mod thing that was my solution to a problem so you've got to give them credit. Their giving her a lot of leeway and just taking off pics they think go over the top. That says a lot in my book.
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Post by teztor123 on Sept 20, 2006 16:41:47 GMT -5
Well ... if I'd ever been a moderator ... I might have some more sympathy for the way they do things ...
But since I haven't been - I don't.
But again - I'm NOT just talking about DF's pictures. Mostly I'm talking about a systematic campaign against mature KP pictures many of which did not include a DraKim relationship.
Having someone get upset about a few pictures is one thing - but there's someone over there going around to a lot of other people's pages just looking for stuff to complain about.
If you are a moderator - and you realize that the same set of people are going around looking to make complaints - then you should think about their motivations and not allow yourself to be used as a tool to push these individuals agendas.
Now ... that's what it seems like to me.
I've formed that opinion based on what I've seen going on. I don't have any proof as I'm not privy to the inner workings of DA but I've got a person or persons in mind as to who might be doing this. Since I don't have proof ... I'll just keep that part of my opinion to myself.
In any case - there is a wide spread but inconsistent persecution of mature KP pictures over there.
The people doing this are self appointed censors who are using the DA admins to further their own agenda.
Now - if the DA admins were behaving as you suggest - as proper admin's policing their policies, they'd have been more consistent in the way they did things. They'd have deleted ALL the pictures on some of these pages instead of just a few. But that's NOT what they've done. They'll delete one picture while on the very same page they leave others alone that are far worse than the one they deleted. That is an indicator to me that they are only going after things someone reported to them and then not bothering to check it out further. They get a report, they delete a picture and then move on to other duties.
You seem to feel they are giving this the type of attention that a mod on a smaller board would, carefully considering the report, the reporter, the reported item and the person who published it. On a large scale site like this ... I doubt that is what is being done. The evidence of spotty application of their policies would indicate that.
As to being generous ... for not banning her ... they get income from the ad's people view ... so it's probably not in their interest to ban people.
Also - considering the vagueness with which they tend to let you know what you did wrong ... it's a hit and miss proposition. DF for example seems to feel that there was a difference between her pic of KP delivering a blue baby while partially clad and her being shown pregnant but fully clothed with Drakken standing by. Obviously DA didn't like either of them but how clear were they in explaining the problem?
From my personal experience with these guys - on that non-KP related issue - the poster may or may not be given any indication of what EXACTLY they had a problem with. Despite SPECIFICALLY ASKING if there was a problem with posting screen caps - I was told I needed permission. So I got permission and THEN they tell me I can't post screen caps. Now obviously - from my experience - these people do not know what they are doing. I really couldn't care less whether I can post screen caps or not. But this experience has shown me that these people are not all that competent.
So ... if they banned everyone that couldn't instantly READ THEIR FREAKING MINDS they'd have few subscribers left.
Most of us are happy to comply with whatever a boards standards are. I've no desire to post anything here or there or anywhere that the boards admins don't want. But it would sure help if they could tell us what they want in clear terms.
The thing is - it is such a big site that they slap dash through things as fast as they can with nothing like the individual attention you are attributing to them.
The fact is ... once anything reaches a certain size, it becomes a bureaucracy with all the clumsiness that is inherent to one.
In my dealings with them over a relatively simple issue - I wasn't just dealing with one person. I ended up exchanging messages with several.
It was pointed out to me that screen caps not being allowed was mentioned in the FAQ's. I just needed to read about 400-500 of them to get to the one pertaining to my situation ... Evidently the person I had asked about screen caps hadn't read those 400-500 FAQ's either. Of course ... I've no idea how many FAQ's there are ... but this alone is an indication of the problem with a site that has been so successful and grown so large.
The vigilantes don't have to hack the DA site and go in and delete pictures themselves to be vigilantes. All they have to do - is to take advantage of Admins who are to busy to pay attention to get those admins to push their agenda for them.
I don't have a solution for DA's problems. I'm merely commenting on what I've observed.
But, as I said, I do agree with you that if someone wants to post mature KP material ... going elsewhere to do it would simple things up a good bit.
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Post by Commander Argus on Sept 20, 2006 16:51:47 GMT -5
Boiling it down. DA gets a complaint, they hit the delete button. There's so much still there they aren't going to be hurt by one little picture. They simply don't want to spend any more time than they need, and that is what gives these vigilantes their power. Do some of these pix need to go? Yes. But some of the ones that are gone I can't see why.
I've got one picture that is not obscene (unless you are a rather AR prude) yet, technically it is against the rules (It's Kim's body with Ron's mind in it - ala Mind Games - and he/she is changing clothes and aparently naked though hidden by a dressing mirror) I'm surprised it's still there, considering who I think may be behind alot of this.
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Post by surforst on Sept 20, 2006 17:36:02 GMT -5
Um...actually I did the whole Mod thing with a group not as large as DA by far but much much bigger then this forum. You're right there isn't time to go from case to case but you get to learn eventually who is causing the most problem. Besides a good Mod will check out to see what is going on before taking action. For example if someone complains about someone cussing (a big problem when I was mod) you just go and check it out. If the person cusses you warn them. Usually I got this.
Member: Screw you. What are you going to do? *banned*
And that was my solution. Being a Mod stinks though and I'll never do that job again. It's time consuming trying to keep people in line and yes you are not able to research into the problem in depth. In this forum Dracko got less then a hundred members to police with most of them barely posting. Only a few really active ones so he can take time to really care. Most sites that isn't a luxury and I doubt DA mods have that much free time to find out just exactly what is going on with Drakkenfan. As for the mods being bad about knowing the rules that's just what you got to expect. Most of the time rules are vague and each mod will enforce as they see fit. Just a part of life. Anyway I'm willing to give credit over to the Mods on this and leave it at that. They don't like Drakkim so just get over it.
As for a few people censoring KP only I've seen that. I checked out the site and saw a few pics on the new pics page with under aged cartoon characters underwear showing. Kim Possible pics much more decent then that are left alone so yeah there a few members who are looking for this stuff. What a mod should do is just tell people to up the picture rating to M and leave it at that if people complain. Then everyone is happy since you have to actually click ok to view a mature pic.
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