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The Ron Factorcloudmonet Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 746 Location: area 101, northern california « Reply #80 on Jun 8, 2005, 12:48pm » I guess the lessened rate of responses means we're through or nearly through with the tao of baking. Anyway, I'm kind of itching to get to "The Ron Factor," next in the sequence of original US airing, but first in season two production order and very significant in explaining the changes in Kim and Ron between season one and the episodes we've been discussing. ----- A Tale of Two Egos"The Ron Factor" is the episode that forever changes Ron and Kim's professional relationship. In production order, it's 201, the very beginning of season two. This is where a tale of two egos comes to a turning point. For someone who can do so many remarkable things so well, Kim Possible has a rather frail ego. She armors herself with slogans-- "She can do anything," or "Anything's possible for a Possible" -- and does her best to live up to them, but when it comes to talking coherently around Josh Mankey, hitting the high notes, folding a burrito, dealing with an electric mixer, or learning to drive a car, she chokes. Bad news-- Kim needs to excel or she feels inadequate. She's very athletic, probably has a black belt in every known and unknown style of kung fu, and puts all this to good use as a cheerleading crimefighter. She's also smart enough to do well in school, though I suspect not as well as either of her remarkable parents. "That's my teen hero," Dad Possible says in "So the Drama," like it's no big. Of course his daughter can save Tokyo toy magnates, dangling from a jet flying between skyscrapers. Still, there's so much love coming from her parents that they don't seem like a huge stress on her. So what about Ron? He's not so good at a lot of things, doesn't really care about his classes, occasionally tries dating (and actually has some success) but mostly doesn't want to subject himself to the hassle and humiliation. The one thing he really puts his heart into is helping Kim. He may come out bumbling or brilliant, depending on the sitch and his luck, but he keeps trying. And Ron's ego? So grande-sized! Why is he just the sidekick, the distraction? We hear him complain about this over and over in season one. Actually, in "Bueno Nacho," Ron defeated Drakken with the stolen laser drill while Kim kept Shego distracted-- and this was Kim's plan! A lot of times, Kim is the distraction, while Ron or Rufus actually give the bad guys some devastating surprise. Global Justice has noticed that Ron is important to Kim's successes and calls his random contributions "The Ron Factor." If Kim was being completely fair about this, she'd say, "People so underestimate Ron. Drakken and Shego expected me to do something to stop them, and they and the henchmen all came after me while Ron was melting the cheese wheel," or something of similar meaning. But no, Kim can't give Ron this much credit, even in her own mind, not yet, because of her frail ego and his bloated one. So Global Justice installs monitoring equipment on Ron, and he egotistically assumes everything he does is "The Ron Factor," boo-yah! and proceeds to become an embarrassing parody of himself, to the irritation of Kim and Monique. Now Monique no longer believes Ron deserves more credit from Kim than he was getting.  But Dr. Director of Global Justice has an evil twin brother, Gemini, who becomes interested in possessing the Ron Factor for himself, and kidnaps Ron, and takes him to his headquarters, in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. When he learns that Ron is the Ron Factor, he puts him in a handcuff chair, threatens to obliterate him if he won't join his Worldwide Evil organization, and procures a grande-sized chimmerito to tempt him. Is Ron going to agree to join Worldwide Evil? At this moment, Dr. Director and Kim burst in, hurling henchmen willy-nilly, and smashing enough electronic equipment to cause impending lair-destruction. Somehow in the chaos, Rufus slips a Chinese finger trap on one of Gemini's robotic blast fingers. Then Kim frees Ron. Both of them look really annoyed at Gemini, but especially Ron. Obviously, Ron was just playing along with Gemini before.  Ron lunges at Gemini, snaps the other end of the finger trap on Gemini's other hand. Gemini tries to pull it off, cant, then I guess tries to fry it off with his robotic hand, but only succeeds in shocking himself unconscious. "The Ron Factor, amazing!" says Dr. Director. "No, no, Kim Factor, with just a little touch of Ron," Ron replies. "That's so sweet," says Kim, smiling and putting her hand on Ron's shoulder.  Apologies for Kim's black glove being nearly invisible in Gemini's shadowy lair. So what are we to make of this? I mean, if ever a villain was defeated by Ron Factor moves, the Chinese finger trap was a prime example. So why does bloated ego factor boy give Kim almost all the credit? 1) Maybe Ron has learned that being the Ron Factor is dangerous, and wants to avoid further kidnappings. Maybe, but this doesn't seem like the kind of thought that would come to Ron at such a moment. 2) Maybe Ron's just being fair. After all, if Kim and Dr. Director hadn't clobbered all those henchmen, and Kim hadn't freed him, he wouldn't have been able to do anything. Okay, but the Ron Factor concept doesn't really depend on the percentage of his contribution. It's all about being in the right place with the right move that tips the odds in Kim's favor. 3) Or maybe, just maybe, a smile, a friendly touch on the shoulder, and a "That's so sweet," from this girl means more to Ron than anything else in the world. In support of this third theory, I pose the question, what is Ron Stoppable even doing in commando clothes, dangling from grappling hooks, fighting the likes of Dr. Drakken, Duff Killigan, or Gemini? He really is better (at least at this stage in the series) at folding burritos and sculpting frijoles in the likeness of a Mayan temple. My answer: He's doing it for Kim. Here's the weakness of Ron's bloated ego: what he wants more than anything else is Kim's appreciation, which, because of her wariness of his bloated ego, is hard for him to get. In this moment in Gemini's lair, something significant changes. Ron realizes how much Kim needs his support, and he supports her, and gets the appreciation he wants. 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« Reply #81 on Jun 8, 2005, 1:57pm »
Could not agree more. Have yet to watch the episode, but from what you described I agree with how Ron learns to appreciate what he does on the team. I think KP also come to appreciate him even more. I also think that fan fics do a great job of expressing this, and even letting Ron after STD gain more experience by training with Kim, in Japan, learning his Monkey Power, or basically just growing out of the goof stage. You know Kim likes hims even more after that. ;D
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« Reply #82 on Jun 8, 2005, 7:54pm »
I noticed something interesting about The Ron Factor. It's how Gemini effects the relationship between Kim and Ron.
First Kim expresses her concern for Ron when Gemini kidnaps him. And she show this concern dispite what a jerk he's been.
Secondly, Ron has trust in Kim. We do see this in other episodes, but he never expresses it to her (as far as can remember) until this episode. Ron seemed to be stalling Gemini, so that Kim would have enough time to find him. He didn't look or sound too surprised to see Kim blowing into the lair.
Lastly, Ron wouldn't let him get away with hurting Kim. Because Gemini starts destroying his own lair, he causes the laser he was using to threaten Ron to hit Kim and knock her out. This is the first time harm comes to Kim, and Ron couldn't do anything about it. Usually, when harm is about to come to Kim, Ron saves her. Whether it be from spinning tops of doom, exploding golf balls, or a long fall.
When Kim gets back up, she concentrates on getting Ron free. But once he is, he lunges at Gemini and takes him down (in his own "Ron Factor" way).
It was like Ron was saying, "Anyone who hurts my KP, will have to face my anger."
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« Reply #83 on Jun 8, 2005, 7:57pm »
Now that is how its done, and how every guy should react to someone tryin to hurt his girl!
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« Reply #84 on Jun 11, 2005, 9:30am »
Straight up! Finally, someone understands.
But shouldn't we have done "Two to Tutor" before "The Ron Factor"? But I did enjoy reading everyone's post on this ep., there were a few things I didn't realize, yet again.
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« Reply #85 on Jun 11, 2005, 10:47am »
"But shouldn't we have done 'Two to Tutor' before 'The Ron Factor'?"
Uh, we did. Go back and look at page 5, maybe some of page 4. Of course, if you have an observation about the shippiness of electric mixers that hasn't already been observed, by all means go for it.
"It was like Ron was saying, 'Anyone who hurts my KP, will have to face my anger.' "
Yes, that's exactly what it is. Duh on me for not picking up on that right away. Seriously, compare Ron here
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with this image from "So the Drama,"
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after which Ron immediately attacks Erik, who betrayed Kim's trust and knocked her unconscious. Similar reaction? So yeah.
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« Reply #86 on Jun 11, 2005, 11:02am »
Excellent observation on his reaction there, didn't spot that.
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« Reply #87 on Jun 11, 2005, 11:39am »
Well, I don't have much else to add. You guys covered this one very well.
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Post by cloudmonet on Mar 25, 2006 16:22:49 GMT -5
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« Reply #88 on Jun 11, 2005, 1:24pm »
The Ron Factor tries to explain the biggest question to even die hard fans of Kim Possible. What is a goofball like Ron doing with Kim, who is on missions to save the world from evil? According to Global Justice, it's because of a series of accidental events that occur because of Ron, which leads to Kim's success. And why shouldn't they believe it? After all, Ron knocks over a kiosk at the mall and accidently uncovers Agent Delta; which leads to his quick dismissal. Kim doesn't believe it. Instead, she heralds her good genetics and attitude.
The Ron Factor employs the similar plot of "Ron gains confidence." We saw this in The New Ron, Ron The Man, and Two For Tutor. Here, it's taken to the extreme. An entire government facility is dedicated to this idea. And even Wade has trouble disbeliving it. But this is the first time it affects Kim personally. Previously, she was able to perform much without Ron's assistance. This is the first time she wonders if what Ron does has any effect on her whatsoever. Meanwhile, Ron gets the idea that everything he does is all part of some greater good in the universe. And it affects those around him, especially Kim and Monique. It doesn't mean The Ron Factor is totally flawless. Ron does make mistakes that allows the bad guys to get away.
Kim: Ron is my best best friend. I wouldn't freak fight with him.
Here, she admits that at the very least, she needs him there. Whether is for support, a distraction, or to give her an idea (even if it's wrong), Ron is there. Kim knows that they are a team.
Ron: (To Gemini) Here's where she saves me, and we beat you bad!
Here, Ron admits to the same idea. He needs her, usually to keep him out of danger. We can now come to the conclusion that when Ron is in danger, Kim becomes more focused on defeating the bad guy to save him. Note: Downhill, Monkey Ninjas In Space, and Naked Genious. It works on both ways, although Ron's opportunity is less likely. As already pointed out for this episode, when Kim is hurt, Ron is ready for a fight. He already watched as Gemini nearly killed Kim on the helicopter. Now Gemini has to pay. And what Ron does seems to hurt Gemini more than a few physical punches that Kim would have done to him. Next, Dr. Director swings in and claims that the victory all in part of The Ron Factor. Ron corrects her, giving victory to Kim. Kim, who was saddened to think that she was given no contribution right, cheers up and puts her hand on Ron's shoulder. What they all miss here that Rufus and Wade are a part of that factor as well. But that was forgotten in the destruction of Gemini's lair.
Kim's hand on Ron's shoulder is the only real shippiness we see in this episode, or is it? Let's look at this line here.
Ron: Kimila . . . Face it. Without The Ron Factor, you're just another freak fighting cheerleader with a web site.
First, we can see Ron's overblown ego. Second, we can deduce that there are a number of teenage crime fighters helping Global Justice, like Agent Will Du. Perhaps Kim is the best that they have. BUT, let's get back on track here. Ron calls her Kimila? Since when did their relationship become strong enough for a pet name? The show overall, tells Kim and Ron what everyone recognized by the end of the first season: That together they can do anything.
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« Reply #89 on Jun 11, 2005, 4:06pm »
The thing I noticed about Ron calling Kim "Kimmila" is that it sounds like "Kim I love". Hmmmmm.
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« Reply #90 on Jun 11, 2005, 4:20pm »
I don't think that's a valid shippy moment, but well spotted, though I jsut think it's his ego giving her a new name.
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« Reply #91 on Jun 11, 2005, 4:29pm »
Should we even go into Steal Wheels or Gorilla Fist? Oh wait that’s season 3 my bad!
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« Reply #92 on Jun 12, 2005, 12:22pm »
Of course "Steal Wheels" and "Gorilla Fist" are among the shippiest. Have patience, we'll get there. But without episodes like "The Ron Factor," and "Grudge Match," Kim and Ron never would have gotten that close. You can't have instant romance with someone you've known since you were both a couple years past diapers! A lot of rethinking and reconsidering has to go down first. Respect for each others' maturity is hard to achieve when anything the other does reminds you of something they did as a six year old. "Ron Factor" is an important milestone which deserves all the attention we've given it. The sensitivity to Kim's feelings that Ron shows with his "Kim Factor" remark is the kind of love she can only get from someone who already knows her very deeply. By the end of "So the Drama" she'll come to value this more than the giddyness of love at first sight.
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« Reply #93 on Jun 12, 2005, 12:37pm »
Ah yes grudge match. I actually in another thread had a great caption for the pick of Kim smiling at Ron.
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« Reply #94 on Jun 12, 2005, 1:56pm »
We seem to be getting off subject here. Let's move on too Car Trouble...unless anyone else has anything to say about The Ron Factor.
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« Reply #95 on Jun 12, 2005, 4:11pm »
Hmmm... I don't recall ever seen any K/R signs or moments in "Car Trouble", even though I have recently seen and taped it.
The episode pretty much was a 'rite of passage' time for Kim and Ron as they learn to drive for the first time. In relation, Kim and Ron help rescue Dr. Freeman from Drakken, and they have to depend on a AI SUV to help them out. It was ironic that the SUV was damaged and Kim have to drive everyone out of a sticky sitch.
The one thing that this episode doesn't follow in the real world is that I pretty much doubt teachers will allow students behind the wheel for the first time without some instructions first. I know this suppose to be form of humor in showing the students goof-up, but it's something I noticed compare to my experience.
I found it ironic that Bonnie able to passed driving easily. She must have taken driving lessons outside of high school, given she impressed Barkin so much. "You're ready for the pro circuit, Walkweller!" Gee... Bonnie passed while Kim didn't at first. Kim able to fly a space plane but can't drive car. Quite ironic. ;D
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« Reply #96 on Jun 12, 2005, 4:57pm »
Jun 12, 2005, 4:11pm, JuPMod wrote:
That's because Bonnie was the only one who didn't watch the "Ghost Car" video.
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« Reply #97 on Jun 12, 2005, 5:26pm »
on "Two to Tutor"- I think the only thing we realy see is that Kim accepts that Ron can be good at something.
The look Kim gives Ron after he says "I can cook too" I think was more about him getting something right on figuring out the plot. Kim often guesses Dr. Drakken's plot as he is trying to build suspense in telling her, or figures out what Wade is going to tell her before he says it, and she enjoys it immensly. That combined with Ron being the school chef, and being relegated to lunch lady/dish duty, tweaked her a little bit.
Ron factor I didn't see anything other than what has been mentioned already.
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« Reply #98 on Jun 12, 2005, 6:09pm »
Car Trouble- who cares if anything goes on between Kim and Ron, Kim drives in it! pretty much the best ever. ;D and the funny look she has before she does the "W" turn (whatever that is supposed to be) LOL
There were some cute moments in it but nothing I would consider necessary to put here.
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Wysteria Fox Yellow Trout ** Joined: Apr 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 72 Location: USA « Reply #99 on Jun 12, 2005, 8:32pm » Shippiness of electric mixers? LOL. No actually I just wanted to bring up one line that was said toward the end, then I'll move on. Something Ron said about SSJ and Shego: "Those two belong together."-Ron One word: Foreshadowing. Okay, done.  ———————————————— campy Yellow Trout ** Joined: May 2005 Posts: 77 « Reply #100 on Jun 12, 2005, 9:42pm » I think this might be a nod to Ron's Jewish heritage. Sandy on The O.C. calls his son Sethila when they're feeling especially ethnic. ———————————————— taechunsa Blue Fox **** Joined: Apr 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 418 Location: Kansas « Reply #101 on Jun 13, 2005, 10:29am » Car Trouble. I got nothin', as Ron would say. Jun 12, 2005, 4:11pm, JuPMod wrote: I find it very ironic that Ron couldn't pass. I know that it was supposed to be humorous, but it was a bit odd. Oh well, at least we know that he has his license by the time StD was made. ———————————————— JuPMod Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 324 Location: New Jersey « Reply #102 on Jun 13, 2005, 12:21pm » Jun 13, 2005, 10:29am, taechunsa wrote: Well, given that I think that this was his first time behind the wheel, I'm not surprised. It was scary for me when I first gotten behind the wheel, so Ron shouldn't be any different.  ———————————————— Forlong Blue Fox **** Joined: Mar 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 1,225 Location: Kalamazoo « Reply #103 on Jun 13, 2005, 4:22pm » The only thing I got from Car Trouble was the fact that Kim was less mean to Ron when he freaked out. ———————————————— cloudmonet Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 748 Location: area 101, northern california « Reply #104 on Jun 13, 2005, 5:57pm » There's more "shipping" in "Car Trouble" than casually meets the eye. I was surprised, actually, when I went through it this morning. Give me a few hours to deal with reality, turn my screenshots into JPEGS and post them on the web, and I'll be back with details. ———————————————— [end of page 7] |
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« Reply #107 on Jun 13, 2005, 11:48pm »
In regards to the license thing, Ron may not need one. Some states (I couldn't tell you which ones) do not require a license for a scooter if they don't surpass a certain speed limit. Now let's look for things to analyze Kim and Ron's relationship.
RON (To Kim): You can do anything. Even fail!
Later . . .
SADI: (To Kim) Can you really do anything?
RON: Oh yeah! Except a K Turn.
These two remarks by Ron show a deep emotion that Ron has for Kim. While he has confidence in her abilities, he concerned about Kim getting into a situation beyond her control. He's worried that there may come a time that she can't do anything. And he worries what the outcome of that will be.
Next, we have Kim putting her hand on Ron's shoulder. When they meet SADI for the first time, Ron yells "Ghost car!" and begins screaming. Even Rufus is annoyed here. Kim comes over to him, puts her hands on his shoulder to comfort him. She holds him, perhaps longer than she needs to, calming his nerves. She lets him know that she's not afraid, so he shouldn't be either.
The next morning . . .
KIM'S FATHER: Need a ride to school, Kimmie?
KIM: Already got one.
KIM'S FATHER: With a boy?
Watch the reaction from the tweebs. If Kim was hitching a ride to school with some guy, they would know about it. After all, they're constantly hacking into her diary. So the question surprises and interests them. Kim answers looking away from her father. She, in a sense, lies to him. She's getting a ride from a fully automated SUV. However, in the next shot, she is with a boy, and that boy is Ron. I doubt that Mr. Possible's reaction would have been any different if Kim was telling the truth. I bring up this next line due to Ron's body language. This takes place after Kim cheats on her driving test.
RON: Say uh . . . You'll give me rides right? Cause the whole Ross Needlemeiyer thing really freaks me out.
Ron points at Kim as he talking. Here, he's not asking for a ride, he's demanding one. Next, he holds his hands out, palms up. Here, he's indicating that his social status is low enough as it is, and that being around her doesn't make him a total loser. Kim looks away here. Next, Ron puts his hand on his neck. Here, he feels apologetic for his demand, and is sorry for what he just said. He never wants to hurt or upset her in any way. Next up, we have these lines where Kim has to drive SADI and them to safety.
KIM: Seatbelt, check! Mirrors, check!
RON: Hot metal check! Can you just floor it please?!
Watch Ron carefully. He raises his hand up, as though he's about to touch her shoulder. Kim looks at him, in anticipation. She's waiting for it to happen. But then they run out of time. This motion from Ron gives Kim the utmost confidence that she can do it, even though it's incomplete. Kim throws it in gear, her fingers dancing on the shifter. This is a symbolism; how she would react to Ron actually placing his hand on her shoulder. Again, this moment is cut short. Next and finally, this line.
KIM (After Drakken and Shego are arrested): Nailed the bad guys. And Mr. Barkin's test. I call that a good week.
Watch Kim very carefully. She looks at Ron with a mysterious smile. Ron was right. Driving is a right of passage. But more than that, it's brought their relationship just a bit closer. She no longer considers Ron just a friend. She now knows their togetherness is the act of a true couple.
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« Reply #108 on Jun 14, 2005, 12:19am »
"She now knows their togetherness is the act of a true couple."
I wouldn't go quite that far yet. They're a couple in every possible way except actually accepting that they should be a couple. But none of that stuff is visible in this episode. Wait till "Golden Years," "Blush," "Triple S," or "Ron Millionaire," not to mention much of "So the Drama." There's a lot of weirdness down the road for these two before they can start living happily ever after.
But you make a lot of excellent observations about just how close they've become already. Funny, isn't it, how so many people can chime in with "oh, I don't remember anything shippy about 'Car Trouble,' or whatever," but the moment a few pictures and quotes come in to jog the memory, people come in with lots of stuff.
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« Reply #109 on Jun 14, 2005, 1:17am »
Well I think there were some cute moments in this one, I cant say I totally agree with all that. of course the whole show is free to interpretation, but I want to see evidence that Kim and Ron consider each other as possibly more than friends before 'emotion sickness', rather than 'they almost touched'. I mean that's all fun too don't get me wrong, I just think it's much much more ambiguous as to wether it is a "shippy" moment or a "just friends" moment. in short, I don't think every smile or even touch they share is romantic.
I also don't think she lied to her father about going with Ron to school, he wasn't giving her a ride, he was also getting a ride. also I think the Possibles pretty much assume that Ron and Kim go to school together, and Mr. Dr. P seems quite comfortable with Ron as an escort for Kim in "Crush" It would seem that he A. trusts Ron and B. observes that his daughter sees Ron as a 'friend' rather than a 'guy'(or *gasp* "hottie").
also, it doesn't look to me like Ron touches his neck after Kim aces the test, he puts his hand on his head, and I don't think he's about to put his hand on Kim in the truck later, that's just not the way I see it. (somewhere in Australia, the Jabberwocky's face just twitched, lol)
I do like that Kim is comforting to Ron even if he's having too much drama, (actually that probably does show some kind of advance in her relationship, even if she reverts back later)
and their similar reactions to lots of things only show how compatible they are. but I just don't know if that serve to advance their relationship any further. know what I mean?
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« Reply #114 on Jun 14, 2005, 3:21pm »
Jun 14, 2005, 2:10pm, cloudmonet wrote:
“What we're looking at is how this happens to Kim and Ron.”
ok, I agree with you there 100%. What I see in the show is Ron interested in Kim from episode 1, and despite various ways of showing it or bringing it up, nothing much happens. Kim at this point remains 'majorly in denial' (along with quite a few fans of the show). even though she shows some signs of liking Ron 'that way'.
I'm just saying that I don't think Kim rapping her fingers on the shift lever is a symbolisim or that Ron was concerned about Kims feelings when he asked her for rides, necessairly.
They do act like a couple, and that isn't lost on the students at their school either apparently, and it is worth pointing out, I just like to look for actual quotes and scenes that show this. (Kim grabbing Ron's hand in "grudge match" or, in my opinion, the things I post) If I see something I don't agree with I'll still write that too, just to keep this on track as it kind of started out as a debate.
this is the 'hot topic' of the KP fan world anyway- and I've had people disagree with me before on it. I think it helps us think about it and streghten our case. Taechunsa didn't agree with my analysis of So the Drama on Kim's feelings either.
Do they love each other? well that's a whole nother debate, or at least I'll have to wait 'til "Blush" or "A Sitch in Time" come up.
This formula is used in shows from time to time, and it generally ends up "ending the series" if they do get together, because that's all the show is about.
In short I pretty much agree with what you said- they act like a couple, and Kim is comforting to Ron even if he's being silly, rather than being disgusted with him. I also don't think that Kim "no longer thinks of Ron as just a friend" at this point.
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Reevaluation of K/R feelings (Season 2) Page 9Cached by Google on Aug 13, 2005 18:10:58 GMT. Read 14,160 times. ———————————————— Carbon Blue Fox **** Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 682 « Reply #120 on Jun 15, 2005, 1:35am » Ok, I agree with that. ———————————————— AgHorizonFilm Sidekick's Sidekick ***** Joined: Jun 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 1,911 Location: Michigan « Reply #121 on Jun 15, 2005, 9:21am » Another thing that I think is established in their relationship is trust and loyalty. They trust each other with their lives, and trust in each other to protect the other. Also Ron easily showes how loyal he is to Kim, nbd Kim also shows that when Ron is down on his luck she will alwyas give him a shoulder to help him. ———————————————— Forlong Blue Fox **** Joined: Mar 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 1,225 Location: Kalamazoo « Reply #122 on Jun 16, 2005, 1:01pm » What say we move on to Rufus in Show? I noticede a few things. First, the fact that Kim's new dress matched Ron tux. Secondly, the way that they worked together so well to escape from Falletto's castle. They moved almost like they were one person. Also, Kim seems to be accepting Ron's ideas more. ———————————————— Rufus in Showcloudmonet Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 721 Location: area 101, northern california « Reply #123 on Jun 16, 2005, 2:18pm » For an episode so short that has Kim and Ron separated for much of the action, this one does show Kim and Ron sometimes looking very couple-esque when they are together.  Kim's costume here is one of Wade's most remarkable inventions. Not only does the dress mode somehow manage to keep Kim's features covered despite being farther off the shoulder than any gown of a female oscar nominee, but the skirt functions as a parachute. Not to mention it turns into a complete hooded catsuit with suction cups on the hands and feet.  This show, and its partner, are focused on Rufus. He's the one who saves the day, with daring escapes, dog show pandemonium, a flying leap at a heavy lever operating the trap door, and picking Falsetto's pocket to get the diamond. At that point, Kim, Ron and Rufus perform a ninja ballet of diamond keep-away (and get away) as though they'd rehearsed the whole thing over and over like one of Kim's cheerleader pyramids. Wow! Did they have signals, are they that attuned to each other's moves? I can't remember seeing them work together as efficiently, before or since. « Last Edit: Jun 16, 2005, 2:23pm by cloudmonet » New edit: Mar 25, 2006 by cloudmonet. ————————————————
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AgHorizonFilm Sidekick's Sidekick ***** Joined: Jun 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 1,911 Location: Michigan « Reply #124 on Jun 16, 2005, 3:08pm » Dang I need to see this episode to know what you are talking about. I gotta wonder how that dress is staying up! Looks great on her though and I definitely think those pics just scream couple especially with the smile Kim is giving Ron. Its liked that smile says, "Like what you see?" ———————————————— AvinashTyagi Yellow Trout ** Joined: Jun 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 61 « Reply #125 on Jun 16, 2005, 3:32pm » “I gotta wonder how that dress is staying up” My guess is its something like Batman's cape in "Batman Begins" which becomes rigid when an electric current is sent through it. ———————————————— JuPMod Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 317 Location: New Jersey « Reply #126 on Jun 16, 2005, 3:53pm » "Rufus in Show". Yep, I agree with cloudmonet. It maybe short, but this episode sure made Kim and Ron look quite couple-ish in the way they act toward each other and they dress - her single-strap black dress (quite sexy IMO) matching his tux. And of course, they working together quite well as a team - Kim, Ron, and Rufus. If this episode didn't show these three are quite an efficent team, nothing would. ———————————————— campy Yellow Trout ** Joined: May 2005 Posts: 73 « Reply #127 on Jun 16, 2005, 5:19pm » I think Wade must make Kim's cheer uniforms too, using some of the same tech. Notice how her skirt seems to change length from shot to shot. When she's doing a routine with the squad it's short, other times it comes almost to her knees. ———————————————— Azmodan Azure Sidekick's Sidekick ***** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 7,552 Location: California « Reply #128 on Jun 16, 2005, 7:51pm » Jun 16, 2005, 5:19pm, campy wrote: I think Wade must make Kim's cheer uniforms too, using some of the same tech. Notice how her skirt seems to change length from shot to shot. When she's doing a routine with the squad it's short, other times it comes almost to her knees. This is very observant. I never really thought of keeping track of how high or low the skirt is cut. ———————————————— Forlong Blue Fox **** Joined: Mar 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 1,225 Location: Kalamazoo « Reply #129 on Jun 17, 2005, 11:41am » Jun 16, 2005, 5:19pm, campy wrote: I think Wade must make Kim's cheer uniforms too, using some of the same tech. Notice how her skirt seems to change length from shot to shot. When she's doing a routine with the squad it's short, other times it comes almost to her knees. You're scaring me! Oh, yeah. Did anyone notice that Kim's necklace that she wore with her new dress matched Ron's bowtie? « Last Edit: Jun 17, 2005, 11:42am by Forlong » ———————————————— |
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J Yellow Trout ** Joined: May 2005 Posts: 73 « Reply #130 on Jun 17, 2005, 12:04pm » Hmmmm... Mission clothes: identical Dog Show in Rufus In Show: identical Prom in So The Drama: identical Well, Kim and Ron are working very well together in this episode. Even Kim grabbing Ron around the neck and jumping off a cliff no longer makes Ron scream; he knows she has a plan. We can see the usual smiles and light touches. And it ends with Kim knowing full well that Rufus is an intrigal part of their team. ———————————————— eowyn Yellow Trout ** Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 97 « Reply #131 on Jun 17, 2005, 12:05pm » “Did anyone notice that Kim's necklace that she wore with her new dress matched Ron's bowtie?” In Std? Really? Cap? ———————————————— JuPMod Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 317 Location: New Jersey « Reply #132 on Jun 17, 2005, 12:18pm » Jun 17, 2005, 12:05pm, eowyn wrote: “In Std? Really? Cap?” Forlong was referring to "Rufus in Show". Notice in the caps above that Kim's necklace is red and Ron's bow tie is red. So they both have matching attires. ———————————————— AgHorizonFilm Sidekick's Sidekick ***** Joined: Jun 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 1,911 Location: Michigan « Reply #133 on Jun 17, 2005, 3:39pm » I got to get a hold of this episode and check all this stuff out. This episode is for some reason starting to become a major hint episode for future romance to come. Who would have thought until we started to disect. ———————————————— Molon_UK Sidekick's Sidekick ***** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 5,279 Location: Nottingham England « Reply #134 on Jun 17, 2005, 5:48pm » “looks to me like there's something around Kim's neck keeping the dress up” EDIT: Looks like a locket, I'd have to see more stills to tell ———————————————— [end of page 9] |
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Reevaluation of K/R feelings (Season 2) page 10Cached by Google Aug 11, 2005 17:14:04 GMT. ———————————————— campy Yellow Trout ** Joined: May 2005 Posts: 73 « Reply #135 on Jun 17, 2005, 6:27pm » Well, I have an excuse: I was a cheerleader when I was in college in the 1970's. I don't remember which episode it is, but there's at least one scene where Kim & Bonnie are talking and the difference in their skirt lengths is just so striking I couldn't help but focus on it. I guess the animators wanted to contrast the 'bad' girl and the 'good' girl. In later episodes they tend to frame shots so the bottoms of the skirt are not shown. (e.g. the final scene of Return to Wannaweep and the 'food chain' scene of So The Drama.) ———————————————— JuPMod Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 317 Location: New Jersey « Reply #136 on Jun 17, 2005, 6:27pm » Actually, Molon, that dress she wore in "Rufus in Show", is a single strap dress. The strap is on the left shoulder. The locket/necklace is separate from the dress, although it is a remote activator to tranform the dress into the mission suit. ———————————————— Wysteria Fox Yellow Trout ** Joined: Apr 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 72 Location: USA « Reply #137 on Jun 17, 2005, 6:43pm » "Rufus in Show" has a lot of points that make them seem like a couple, but there are two thing that stick out, that involve Kim correcting Ron. (Bad Sentence. I know!) 1. The Poodle- The way that we hear Kim correct Ron about feeding the Poodle (Gigi I think), sounds a lot like a married couple arguement. And with her hands on her hips, it just adds to it. But we could also say that it's just because she knows that they'll have to improvise the mission with little to work with. 2. Money- When the two are trying to pass off Rufus as a Peruvian Hairless and Ron tries to use a five dollar bill to "improve" their vision, the way she takes him by the shoulders just screams couple. But then again she probably was mad at him for the fact that he'd do something so stupid that might fail their mission. I still think it's Couple Chic. Besides, it's cute when Kim gets mad at Ron and he's unphased. « Last Edit: Jun 17, 2005, 6:44pm by Wysteria Fox » ———————————————— AgHorizonFilm Sidekick's Sidekick ***** Joined: Jun 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 1,879 Location: Michigan « Reply #138 on Jun 17, 2005, 10:30pm » Aaah! I need to see this episode! ———————————————— cloudmonet Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 711 Location: area 101, northern california « Reply #139 on Jun 18, 2005, 1:55am » Actually, the matching bow-tie to necklace thing does happen with the prom costumes as well as the Rufus in Show costumes-- have a look!  « Last Edit: Jun 18, 2005, 2:00am by cloudmonet » ———————————————— AvinashTyagi Yellow Trout ** Joined: Jun 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 61 « Reply #140 on Jun 18, 2005, 9:18am » Question: Why didn't Ron wear the clothes from Rufus in Show to the Bermuda triangle in StD? ———————————————— JuPMod Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 317 Location: New Jersey « Reply #141 on Jun 18, 2005, 9:30am » Jun 18, 2005, 9:18am, AvinashTyagi wrote: “Why didn't Ron wear the clothes from Rufus in Show to the Bermuda triangle in StD?” It's called 'foreshadowing'. We see Ron in his Dad's tux and we knew he would be wearing it for the prom later. (Not to mention all the promos Disney did for "StD" that showed Kim and Ron dancing and we see Ron in that blue tux.) It's ironic that in "Rufus in Show", Kim and Ron have matching evening attires including matching necklace and bowtie, and the same thing happened in "StD" at the Prom, yet Kim chosen that blue gown at Club Banana, not even knowing it would match Ron's tux and same with the necklace to his bowtie. Was Kim's unconscience mind telling her something here?  ;D ———————————————— AvinashTyagi Yellow Trout ** Joined: Jun 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 61 « Reply #142 on Jun 18, 2005, 11:46am » Yes I know its foreshadowing what’s going to happen, but its still seems strange as far as within the story is concerned, wouldn't Kim or Wade tell Ron which tux to wear? ————————————————
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« Reply #143 on Jun 18, 2005, 12:28pm »
Jun 17, 2005, 6:27pm, campy wrote:
“Well, I have an excuse: I was a cheerleader...”
Sorry, I didn't know that you were a lady.
Jun 18, 2005, 9:30am, JuPMod wrote:
“Kim and Ron have matching evening attires...”
Since Kim had seen Ron's tux, I'd say that she knew they'd match subcontiously.
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« Reply #144 on Jun 18, 2005, 1:50pm »
Yep, foreshadowing is a wonderful tool.
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« Reply #145 on Jun 18, 2005, 2:30pm »
“Sorry, I didn't know that you were a lady.”
I'm not. We had male cheerleaders.
I still remember a joke my old partner, Bette, once told me about why cheerleader's skirts are so short. I'm not sure the punchline is suitable for this board, though.
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« Reply #146 on Jun 18, 2005, 4:02pm »
My advice don't test it then.
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« Reply #147 on Jun 18, 2005, 4:24pm »
I don't plan to.
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« Reply #148 on Jun 19, 2005, 12:17pm »
Smart fella. Stay on this board long you will.
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« Reply #149 on Jun 19, 2005, 12:30pm »
I suppose the tuxedo Ron wore in "Rufus in Show" was rented for the dog show; the similar one in "Job Unfair" came from Joe. In "So the Drama," Ron's dad must have told him about the prom tux, which he probably wanted Ron to wear, so when the Bermuda Triangle came up, rather than renting a black tux, Ron wore the blue one.
Interesting coincidence that Erik would talk Kim into buying a dress that matched Ron's dad's tux. But this happy coincidence is possibly why Kim put this dress back on to return to the prom with Ron, even though the hem was scorched by the diablo. Also, she may have wanted to wear this evidence of the danger she'd been through... but I think matching Ron was on her mind.
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Reevaluation of K/R feelings (Season 2) page 11 Cached by Google on Aug 11, 2005 17:59:21 GMT. (Read 13,816 times) ———————————————— AgHorizonFilm Sidekick's Sidekick ***** Joined: Jun 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 1,879 Location: Michigan « Reply #150 on Jun 19, 2005, 1:41pm » Oh yeah! That was definitely the reason. And it also looked really good on her besides matching Ron. Who cares about a little scorch mark? ———————————————— Nubian Princess Guest « Reply #151 on Jun 19, 2005, 4:00pm » You know, I read a fanfiction that talked about the dress and the prom. It was noted in that story that the Kim's scorched dress made her and Ron match even more. The curvy pattern that the burns made on Kim's dress actually resembled the "ruffle" pattern of Ron's shirt. That may be a stretch, but I thought it was kinda interesting. ———————————————— AgHorizonFilm Sidekick's Sidekick ***** Joined: Jun 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 1,879 Location: Michigan « Reply #152 on Jun 19, 2005, 8:47pm » Good stretch though. Shows that your eyes are watching for stuff like that. ———————————————— Forlong Blue Fox **** Joined: Mar 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 1,225 Location: Kalamazoo « Reply #153 on Jun 19, 2005, 8:53pm » I think were about ready to move on to Adventures in Rufus-Sitting. ———————————————— Adventures in Rufus-Sitting cloudmonet Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 711 Location: area 101, northern california « Reply #154 on Jun 19, 2005, 11:06pm » Even I can't come up with much in "Adventures in Rufus Sitting." Kim and Ron are separated for most of the episode. Well, here's an underwater embrace dangling from floats. It almost looks like Ron's sitting in Kim's lap, but she's not seated. Apologies for the quality. My DVD recoder tends to dither pixels when faced with fast moving action and backgrounds.  So Kim's Rufus-sitting while Ron goes to Paris with his family. Unfortunately, Rufus accidently swallows the computer chip Kim and Ron recovered from the wreck, and it's fast and furious action as Monkey Fist, Duff Killigan, and Shego try to steal Rufus from each other and Kim to recover the chip for their corporate employers. While all this is going on, Ron keeps calling Kim from his cell phone to check on Rufus, and Kim keeps lying about the sitch, not letting on that she's skydiving, and Rufus is in Killigan's pocket, or whatever's the peril of the moment. On one hand, I could flash back to "October 31," and wonder why Kim hasn't learned to tell Ron the truth. Well, the lie that really got Kim in trouble here was not telling her parents where she really was (as a parent myself, I can say this is among the most heinous of lies, for a lot of practical reasons). Or I could flash forward to "A Very Possible Christmas," and say this is like Ron going after Drakken alone to not spoil Kim's family holiday-- Kim didn't want to spoil Ron's vacation. Maybe, but Kim's biggest concern is not failing in any way at her assignment-- to take care of Rufus-- not that what's happening is her fault. So Kim's worried about what Ron will think of her?! That's unusual, isn't it? Then there's the question of the photo Ron's family took on the Eiffel Tower, with Kim parachuting in the background. If the picture comes out, that'll be a surprise! ———————————————— J Yellow Trout ** Joined: May 2005 Posts: 73 « Reply #155 on Jun 20, 2005, 12:23am » I think Adventures In Rufus-sitting is to show us how much Ron and Kim communicate; even when they're not with each other. It seems Ron is calling her up every 45 minutes. He's keeping a check on Rufus, but he's also talking telling her all about Paris. (Something I don't completely understand considering they went there together in The New Ron.) I also like to comment on Kim singing Rock-a-bye Rufus and then Rufus falling asleep in her arms. It's almost like she's saying, "Don't worry. Mommy's got you." Ron is the parental father figure. Then Kim in now the parental mother figure. It's amazing what she goes through to find and protect Rufus. BTW, what is Shego doing at Smarty Mart? ———————————————— JuPMod Blue Fox **** Joined: May 2005 Gender: Male Posts: 317 Location: New Jersey « Reply #156 on Jun 20, 2005, 8:19am » ^ Well, consider that she's a villian, I doubt Shego would have so much cash to allow herself to shop at Club Banana. Then again, she couldn't afford to take a vacation either if she didn't have the money. ("Kimitation Nation" or whatever the title was). Maybe she prefers to shop at Smarty Marty as her one-shop shopping needs since she's always on the go anyway. IP: Logged ————————————————
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« Reply #157 on Jun 20, 2005, 6:43pm »
I have a feeling that Kim's singing was kinda related to Ron in the fact that she said earlier she would not sing. But, when Rufus is in trouble she does, because she knows how much Rufus means to Ron. so you can draw a line indirectly to them.
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« Reply #158 on Jun 20, 2005, 10:22pm »
Did you also notice that Kim was able to quote Ron's "Care of Rufus Guide" exactly when he tested her? I enjoyed that. I do think that Kim came clean when Ron saw the photo.
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« Reply #159 on Jun 20, 2005, 10:45pm »
"...he's also talking telling her all about Paris. (Something I don't completely understand considering they went there together in The New Ron.)"
In "the New Ron," they went to Paris to get Le Goop hair gel from Francois (they were also there briefly in "Two To Tutor," when Junior and Shego stole his Le Goop from his hairdressing salon)-- and in both cases they had to deal with the Seniors-- but in neither visit did they go to the tourist sites Ron was describing to her.
"By the way, what is Shego doing at Smarty Mart?"
To quote from the lessons of Shego, "Criminals don't buy anything. They steal whatever they need." Note that Shego stole a green leather jacket from Club Banana. But stealing everything isn't really worth the risk and hassle, so when she does buy, she buys cheap. (And this is a woman who hangs at the Billionnaire's Club when she's on vacation!)
"Did you also notice that Kim was able to quote Ron's "Care of Rufus Guide" exactly when he tested her?"
I wondered about that. Does the "Care of Rufus Guide" exist in some written form that Kim was referencing (I think she was at home when this call came in) or does Kim have remarkable memory skills? To learn this while scuba diving, being chased by Shego, Monkey Fist, and Killigan! Or did she just make up some approximate rule number for the molerat sleeping thing, since neither she nor Ron really had this list memorized? I'll take this last as tentatively more likely for now.
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Okay, I know this is a little off topic, but...I can understand why Shego and Killigan were after the microchip, as they've both been established as mercenaries out to make a dishinect dollar. But why was Monkey Fist after a *greeting card* microchip? In all his other appearances he's been singularly obsessed with mystical monkey power and various objects that allow him to harness it. So why is he chasing this mcguffin?
I guess you could say that Purina Ninja Monkey Chow doesn't come cheap, but it still seems out of character to me...
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« Reply #161 on Jun 20, 2005, 11:40pm »
“Interesting coincidence that Erik would talk Kim into buying a dress that matched Ron's dad's tux.”
Okay sorry for back tracking, but I think the fact that Kim bought a dress that matched Ron's tux because of what Eric said was just adding to the irony of the movie. And if you think about it, Wade was the one who made Kim dress in "Rufus in Show" so maybe he knew Ron's bowtie was red and wanted it to match.
“But why was Monkey Fist after a *greeting card* microchip?”
I think they just stuck him in there because it wouldn't be as interesting with just two villians after Rufus and besides he's a villian, and he would've recieved a lot of money for getting that chip so it make sense to me.
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« Reply #162 on Jun 20, 2005, 11:48pm »
Monkey Fist tells Bates in Monkey Fist Strikes that he spent the entire family fortune on DNA manipulation. From this point on, we never see Bates again. He either quit or got fired. I'm guessing he quit after a painful defeat from a naked mole rat, and Monkey Fist couldn't give him more than minimum wage.
Shego is shopping at Smarty Mart. Where else can you buy nail files, ten for a dollar? Just kidding, Shego!
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« Reply #163 on Jun 21, 2005, 8:45am »
Shippy moments are a real stretch in Adventures in Rufus Sitting. Some of the ones mentioned are really stretching it.
As for Shego shopping at Smarty Mart. This isn't the only time that we see Shego at Smary Mart. She and and Drakken go there in Blush. Perhaps in another parallel between Kim/Ron and Drakken/Shego Drakken always shops at Smart Mart and Shego finally relented that paying more for the same product is a bit pointless. (Just a conjecture)
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« Reply #164 on Jun 21, 2005, 9:31am »
Sure lets move on. I think we have spent up Rufus Sitting.
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« Reply #170 on Jun 21, 2005, 2:13pm »
Job Unfair: We can see how much friendship is between Kim and Ron in this episode. There's lots of smiles here. As for shippy moments, how about the scene when the chimerito explodes? Kim giggles. Usually, Ron's antics annoy Kim. Here, she actually thinks it cute. Then there's this line from Shego after Ron activates the immobilizer ray and it backfires.
Shego: You really need some help with the sidekicks.
Watch Kim. Of course, she doesn't like Shego. But that comment brings a look to Kim of utter contempt. How dare she make fun of her sidekick, her best friend, HER Ron, especially when he's trying so hard? When he does succeed with the sneezing powder to Drakken's face, Kim knows she doesn't need any new sidekick. Her present one is perfectly okay.
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« Reply #171 on Jun 21, 2005, 4:59pm »
Can anyone post some pics to help give a reference point?
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