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Post by Ezbok58a on Jun 28, 2006 20:40:04 GMT -5
Well the Europe WWII has a million possibilities in itself. It could be Battle of the Bulge, Battle of Britain, Black Thursday, D-Day Omaha/Utah, Stalingrad, Casserine Pass... I could go on with that one. For a few of you in here, why the hell would Kim and Ron stop Sherman's march to Atlanta? For one, being a northerner that is one really bad idea and more ideolegy that the south hasn't let go. The south was by far the worst when it came to dealing with POWs and Slaves for that matter, so in no way shape or form would they ever help the south. Ever, it goes against all their morals, that being said I can't see them being on the North side because of the similar ruthlessness they had towards the south. (Shermans march was to show the families of the south just what they had brought on themselves as what he did was completely justifiable in a time of war. He was also the one who coined the phrase 'War is Hell') And thus ends my rather lengthly rant.
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Post by gargoylesama on Jun 28, 2006 20:40:41 GMT -5
When I do this I will put them in several time slots but not to change history but relive it. So far here are the time periods I am thinking about. Salem witch trials Titanic Valley Forge Pilgrims Cowboy era Civil war Europe WWII Wright Brothers Transcontenintal railroad Alamo would not be bad idea These are just a few ideas. Anybody suggest somemore? New Orleans, late 1800's, meet Marie Levoux Honalulu, Hawaii, Dec 6th 1941... enough time to know what is going to happen, but not do anything about it. Dresden, Germany WW2 Fire Bombing anyone? Daukow(sp.) could hold special meaning for Ron. Woodstock, Monteray Pop Festival, Haight-Ashbury in San Fran in the 60's... interesting happenings with the clean cut Team Possible and the counter culture of the sixties. Biograph Theater to see Dillinger gunned down. There are other ideas running around in my head, but some of them is them trying to change history.
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Post by Ezbok58a on Jun 28, 2006 20:48:27 GMT -5
Brought out some more ideas.
San Fran 1919 earthquake (I think that's when it was)
Watergate might be fun (have Ron accidentally do something that results in that)
War of 1812 in D.C. could also be interesting.
Midway Island 1942,
Indiannapolis 1945 (When it's torpedoed)
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Post by Imperial General Someguy on Jun 28, 2006 21:03:06 GMT -5
B-52 Bomber, Enola Gay, on August 6, 1945, over Japan. Don't think that needs any more explanation.
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Post by Ezbok58a on Jun 28, 2006 21:06:34 GMT -5
B-52 Bomber, Enola Gay, on August 6, 1945, over Japan. Don't think that needs any more explanation. B-52 isn't That old. It was a B-29 Superfortress. Dolittles Raid on Tokyo! B-25's taking off of the USS Hornet!
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Post by Commander Argus on Jun 28, 2006 21:34:24 GMT -5
For a few of you in here, why the hell would Kim and Ron stop Sherman's march to Atlanta? For one, being a northerner that is one really bad idea and more ideolegy that the south hasn't let go. The south was by far the worst when it came to dealing with POWs and Slaves for that matter, so in no way shape or form would they ever help the south. Ever, it goes against all their morals, that being said I can't see them being on the North side because of the similar ruthlessness they had towards the south. (Shermans march was to show the families of the south just what they had brought on themselves as what he did was completely justifiable in a time of war. He was also the one who coined the phrase 'War is Hell') And thus ends my rather lengthly rant. dang yankee
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Post by Ezbok58a on Jun 28, 2006 21:39:29 GMT -5
For a few of you in here, why the hell would Kim and Ron stop Sherman's march to Atlanta? For one, being a northerner that is one really bad idea and more ideolegy that the south hasn't let go. The south was by far the worst when it came to dealing with POWs and Slaves for that matter, so in no way shape or form would they ever help the south. Ever, it goes against all their morals, that being said I can't see them being on the North side because of the similar ruthlessness they had towards the south. (Shermans march was to show the families of the south just what they had brought on themselves as what he did was completely justifiable in a time of war. He was also the one who coined the phrase 'War is Hell') And thus ends my rather lengthly rant. dang yankee;D What can I say? I get too caught up in any mention of the Civil War where anything is changed around to where the South wins.
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Post by Imperial General Someguy on Jun 28, 2006 23:08:32 GMT -5
B-52 Bomber, Enola Gay, on August 6, 1945, over Japan. Don't think that needs any more explanation. B-52 isn't That old. It was a B-29 Superfortress. Dolittles Raid on Tokyo! B-25's taking off of the USS Hornet! Scuse me, minor slipup. You are correct. Shame on me, I'm a WW2 history junkie!
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Post by mattb3671 on Jun 28, 2006 23:46:49 GMT -5
If I remember right, KP would be suspect in Salem simply because of her red hair. Witches 'notoriously' had red hair. And she would certainly be considered flippant compared to the women of the period. What about something fun where Rondo shakes the kids up at a 1950's prom with the Naked Mole Rap, a la Marty McFly? Not history, per say, but what if a young Elvis was in attendance? "Oh man, that cats got some wild moves!" I have always wanted to see this pic by goofmore brought to life. www.deviantart.com/deviation/9348348/
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Post by johnnys on Jun 29, 2006 3:48:20 GMT -5
they did a part reference to the 1800s, in Dimension Twist "That 1870 Show"....well, wasn't real coz its a tv show. a Titanic episode would be nice, but that's in 1900s (Titanic sank in 1912)...
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Post by captainkodak1 on Jun 29, 2006 7:59:14 GMT -5
WOW!!!! Talk about reactions! I could write all the rest of the year on these. Have to pick and choose.
As for the Titanic. Yeah I knew it sank after the 1800's, it was just one of the dates I had in mind.
For the Civil War, I have Ron being captured and sent to Andersonville. Kim is befreinded by a local doctor and they work to free Ron. Can you Imagine Kim in one of those low-cut big hoop dresses? I laugh to myself seeing her trying to walk around wearing one of those things. How about sitting down. I am sure she is used to just plopping down. You do that with one of those dressed and the hoops will fly up and smack you in the face.
I agree with the WWII scenes lots there. It would not bobe well for either of them to be caught.
How about if they were in the Pacific and get captured by the Japanese? A lowly army sargent allows them to escape. He says as they sneak away. "It is not your time Ron Stoppable. We shall meet again when it is time for you to fulfill your destiny."
The Witch Trials would be majorly bad for both of them. Kim especially.
I am storing all these ideas. Thanks.
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Post by Kaedin on Jun 29, 2006 9:32:39 GMT -5
Wow capt, you're a walking History book of records... When u say witch trials you mean the witch hunt right?
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Post by captainkodak1 on Jun 29, 2006 12:02:39 GMT -5
I have loved history always. When it comes to the Civil War and WWII I have read and studied a great deal.
The Salem Witch Trials in Salem, Mass. That was where many were hung with little to no evidence. It spread out a little to other areas but mostly concentrated in that area. Finally a little common sense came and the horror stopped.
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Post by aliciamartin on Jun 29, 2006 12:48:07 GMT -5
what if they went back when World War 2 was on?
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Post by Imperial General Someguy on Jun 29, 2006 16:45:32 GMT -5
Here's a thought...what if Kim joined up with Rommel and the other rebel Nazi's and helped them succed in killing Hitler?
That's assuming Rommel was actually involved in the plot, I've forgetten if he was or not...
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Post by surforst on Jun 29, 2006 19:02:41 GMT -5
Here's a thought...what if Kim joined up with Rommel and the other rebel Nazi's and helped them succed in killing Hitler? That's assuming Rommel was actually involved in the plot, I've forgetten if he was or not... Well actually being related to one of those chaps I have to say Kim wouldn't join up with that group either. Scum is scum even if they did try to kill Hitler. Got to remember they were Nazis too and just wanted him out of the way since they thought he was losing the war. As for some of the other points I'll just mention my thoughts. 1. Civil War - Kim would side with the North for obvious reasons. As for Sherman march if she knows History she'll let it happen since he was in the right but if she uses today's standards she might try to stop him. Would be kind of an interesting thing to see her come back to our time and see that by stopping Sherman she caused both sides to lose millions of more soldiers. Bleeding hearts after all tend to cause more blood to be shed. 2. WWII - Cool thought but they'd mostly just run around trying not to get shot. Can't see how they could help the Americans at all in any battle. Kim's not that great and Ron more likely to crash whatever he's driving/flying. 3. Alamo - Possible in this one after all she could sneak into the Mexican camp and capture various important leaders/supplies. Maybe even the El Presidente. 4. Witch Trials - Funny ;D Well looking forward to seeing what happens. Other possibilities is to see 1812 with Kim and Ron helping the American army to take over Canada and defeat the British as well. How? By giving them a few AK's and such. ;D
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Post by Imperial General Someguy on Jun 29, 2006 19:12:48 GMT -5
War of 1812-Yes, let's see the US take over Canada in the War of 1812. We'd probably have to have a second capital or something though. ;D
WWII- Well, and the fact that many fanfics I've read have Kim simply being unable to fire a gun for whatever reason.
Witch Trials-Agreed
Alamo- Dunno...as a Texan, I don't think I'd like having that part of history change.
Civil War- Had Sherman not gone on his march, however, Reconstruction might not have been so drastic, and it might have, if not helped the battlefield situation, at least helped the post-war situtation.
Of course, I'm intrested in any alternative histories with things that went wrong for the South (Antietam, Lee losing his top two subordinates) didn't happen, so that's just me.
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Post by Ezbok58a on Jun 29, 2006 21:07:38 GMT -5
WOW!!!! Talk about reactions! I could write all the rest of the year on these. Have to pick and choose. As for the Titanic. Yeah I knew it sank after the 1800's, it was just one of the dates I had in mind. For the Civil War, I have Ron being captured and sent to Andersonville. Kim is befreinded by a local doctor and they work to free Ron. Can you Imagine Kim in one of those low-cut big hoop dresses? I laugh to myself seeing her trying to walk around wearing one of those things. How about sitting down. I am sure she is used to just plopping down. You do that with one of those dressed and the hoops will fly up and smack you in the face. I agree with the WWII scenes lots there. It would not bobe well for either of them to be caught. How about if they were in the Pacific and get captured by the Japanese? A lowly army sargent allows them to escape. He says as they sneak away. "It is not your time Ron Stoppable. We shall meet again when it is time for you to fulfill your destiny." The Witch Trials would be majorly bad for both of them. Kim especially. I am storing all these ideas. Thanks. Both the Civil War and the WWII story ideas sound good capt, one word of advice from a fellow War historian buff. If Kim is going to be getting Ron out of Andersonville, He has got to be near death to keep it accurate. The northern camps were marginally better when treating POWs but the south camps were pure unfiltered hell, disease, starvation, you name it. As far as the Japanese POW camp, that would be similar in aspects to Andersonville, and be a lot more heart-wrenching if they were part of the Bataan Death march. I really don't see them actually surviving that, they will take some kind of emotional damage after being through that. Same thing if you had them in Europe and uncover a concentration camp. I still think you should go with the USS Indiannapolis incident in August 1945. If any of you have seen Jaws then the speach Quin made about the ship should come to mind. I can see them being in something like that.
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Post by Imperial General Someguy on Jun 29, 2006 22:07:24 GMT -5
Actually, the Union had an equivalant to Andersonville...it was the one in Chicago, I can't remember it's name. Fact of them matter is, the Union POW camps were little better than the South. The reason that's never brought up is because history is written by the winners.
I agree in full with you on a Japanese POW camp situation.
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Post by gargoylesama on Jun 29, 2006 22:08:00 GMT -5
The alt history in the Civil War is for Ron to make a suggestion to Robert E Lee. He could have Turned to DC instead of Gettysburg, left a force of harrassers to stall the main Union Army and taken the city. He had the option, but with Ron's ability to offer suggestions at the wrong time (Senor Senoir Senior anyone?) A little Ron "pep talk" and Washington is taken.
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