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Post by spectre666 on Dec 9, 2007 13:31:22 GMT -5
Let's see, in the South the population at large was slowly starving. The soldiers were fighting on half rations a large percentage of the time. In the North the populace was well fed and not under attack. In spite of few rations, the South tried to feed their prisoners. In the North in the POW camps, a 60-70% fatality rate due to overcrowding, malnutrition and disease. I don't think either side had anything to be proud of in their treatment of POWs, but in the South at least the ability to help wasn't there. In the North, the neglect was intentional. After all, weren't they "rebels" and traitors? As to Sherman's march, Lee could have done the same thing when he went through Maryland and Pensylvania, what would your feelings be about a "Lee's March"? You haven't read many Civil War books have you? (not meant to be flaming) Sherman's whole reasoning was to teach the southerners a lesson. You suceed from the US, the US is going to make you pay. It forced those left in his wake to question wether succeding was actually a good idea or not. I know the northern POW camps were horrible, but don't forget that when this war broke out that the US's best general went to the South's aid (Lee) leaving the North without a compotent commander (which they didn't get till Grant and Sherman) so intelligent leaders were not plentiful in the North. There were some Norther POW camps that tried to take care of the prisoners, but the bean counters were more focused on more tech to kill southerners than keeping the captured one's alive. Actually, I have read quite a few Civil War histories, including more than a few original sources. I toyed with making it my minor in college. However, to get to your points, Sherman did not make his march to "teach them a lesson", he did it to destroy the South's ability to resist. Read his memoirs. That is why he went after productive farmland and transportation centers. As to Lee, the common attitude pre civil war was that your first allegiance was to your state. The idea of a powerful central govt. was anathema to most. Remember, the first secession movements were in the North, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, etc. in protest to trade sanctions prior to the War of 1812. If you study the Constitution, and the founding documents, you'll find not one word saying secession is unconstitutional. The common perception was that the United States was a voluntary association, not a permanent or coerced one. |
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Post by Nutzkie on Dec 10, 2007 15:09:54 GMT -5
The common perception was that the United States was a voluntary association, not a permanent or coerced one. Hence the rather drastic change in our language following the Civil War.... Prior to the war, when referring to the country, people would say that "the United States are:" A plurality, indicating the existence of several separate entities. Grammatically, this is just how our national self-perception was framed. After the war, however, people in the same situation would say that "the United States is:" A grammatic singularity, indicating one, cohesive whole. |
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Post by mrmatt on Dec 17, 2007 21:53:43 GMT -5
I'm galde Spectre pointed that out. As much as the lost cause folks would like to say otherwise Sherman's Campaign in Georgia and later the Carolina's was not ment to whipe out the South, crush them economically and break their will to resist yes but not extermination. Hunter and Sheridan's 1864 valley campaigns had more of a vengens streak to them than Shermans campaigns. Hunter and Sheridan burned the valley to destroy the bread basket of the south and to punish the locals for harboring ever annoying confederate guerilla's.
Thank you to Nutzkie as well for his very true point as well.
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Post by rd on Aug 19, 2008 15:25:30 GMT -5
I am setting up a fic where Kim and Ron get stuck in a time travel mode. They will visit some important points in history and other dates. Going far back can put them in danger. Imagine the trouble they could get in if they dropped into Salem, Mass. during the witch trials. Just wanted to update this thread and let some new members know about CaptainKodaks' time travel story, Tunnel Vision. This is one of the BEST KP fics I have ever read, and if you have the time (pun intended) give this a read, gang! www.fanfiction.net/s/3025668/1/Tunnel_VisionI love time travel stories, AND KP, too, so this is a blend of 2 of my favorite things. ENJOY!!! RD  |
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Post by RedBlueGreen on Aug 20, 2008 18:50:22 GMT -5
Time travel, it's a cornucopia of disturbing concepts. That's a quote, but from what? What would be funnier is if Ron was the one they thought was the really powerful one, over Kim Not that difficult to imagine, unless they land somewhere where Kim is assumed to be a goddess. Well, I make this post because the discussion reminded me of a KP AU Civil War plot bunny I had, involving James T. Possible as the commander of a Union Army regiment and Slim as the commander of a Confederate unit (Given his accent and ranching expertise, I'm thinking Texas cavalry) - the whole "Brother vs. Brother" thing; Slim, however, would be under the command of a certain Gen. Lipsky (or, as the general himself prefers, Gen. Drakken) who, while nominally under the Confederacy, ultimately doesn't have the best interests of the South in mind... Dunno if that will help. Just a plot bunny thingy of mine... I like it. "We don't like women on the field, Miss." "Hold, Lieutenant. This is Madame Go. She shoots better than you ever will." As for changing history, I posted the idea of Kim bouncing through time doing helping out the people she meet and blithely messing up history as she goes, with Ron and others following to undo the damage. The main problem with it is that Kim gets good grades in history, so she'd realise what she was doing. Anyhow, it sounds like fun. "Thanks for the trip, Captain!" "The least I could do, Miss Possible. Without your warnings, we would surely have hit that iceberg." "Thanks for giving me a room, Mr President." "For saving me from that assassin's bullet, I am firmly in your debt, Miss Possible." "Oh, no big. I just happened to be in the theatre and I saw him take aim." "...after you talked the Russians into withdrawing those missiles, the whole world owes you, Miss Possible." Just wanted to update this thread and let some new members know about CaptainKodaks' time travel story, Tunnel Vision. This is one of the BEST KP fics I have ever read, and if you have the time (pun intended) give this a read, gang! www.fanfiction.net/s/3025668/1/Tunnel_VisionSounds great. I'll have a look. |
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Post by kpfightforfive on Aug 26, 2008 16:02:42 GMT -5
That would be interesting. They'd just have to be careful and not kill Charles Dickens or something to that effect. Yeah they would affect the Time stream and make a Rift explode then a Black hole in time will suck everyone up...  . Thats that happens in the movies Like minuitemen |
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Post by Sports Guru on Jan 4, 2009 1:41:07 GMT -5
Here's an idea: let's send them back to the Middle Ages. I've been thinking Crusades as I was reading through the entire thread.
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. Thats that happens in the movies Like minuitemen