Reevaluation of K/R feelings (SEASON 4!)

[dragoonbigl]

Hey guys I couldn't wait to see this get started so I was like I can't ait for season 4! But then I was like hey, WE HAVE 2 PROMOS!

I figure the first one is a least good for a little talk to so lets get this thread start shall we? I'm calling everyone out. LETS OVERANALIZE THE PROMOS!! lol

Seriously though if any ones in interested in talking about Ron's nightmare and anything shown in the second promo lets talk about it!

[Ashley Benlove]

Okay.

I have already analyzed the first promo, Ron's nightmare. Ron obviously cares about Kim a lot, or else he would not have woken up screaming after seeing her melt in a dream. He's also really afraid that what he has with Kim isn't real or the events that brought them together (I.E. So The Drama) aren't real.

Short? Yes. Right to the Point? Yes. Need I continue? I hope not.

[Ashfangirl20]

Well I was thinking Ron was more afraid of starting a relationship with his best friend Kim. I mean who wouldn't be afraid to start a relationship with there best friend, and since it seems like Kim's complaing about how Ron acts in the relationship I can see why. I mean Kim didn't mind these things about him till they started dating, so it might ruine there friendship if they break up, that's another thing. All big problems which might lead to Ron's, scarry, scarry dream.

[kristessential]

I actually think Ron's dream was caused by having a lot of things in his mind (and subconscious). As we can tell, So The Drama was an emotional rollercoaster for Ron, him being filled with angst, fear, jealousy and regret. Ron is a loser/geek and apparently bottom of the food chain so he must think that he is not up to Kim's standards. Obviously Eric had a huge impact to these thoughts and feelings due to Kim melting is an obvious reference to Eric melting. Ron was hugely jealous of Eric and could be comparing Kim to him.

At the end of So The Drama, he must've been so overwhelmed with the fact he is now dating Kim that he seems to be finding trouble in believing that it is true. This dream sequence shows Ron suffering from fear and anxiety of this realisation. What if he isn't good enough? What if they break up? What if this ruins their friendship? This must be putting a lot of pressure on the guy - and I believe that he needs to have a talk with Kim, get things settled out.

Now, many people think Kim is rebounding of Eric due to her emotionally unstable state. However, we've seen many signs to Kim wanting Ron, whether it be in Gorilla Fist ("I AM NOT JELLING!"), Vir-Tu-Ron ("You never get Rufus to cut that stuff out when I'm around") or So the Drama (when Ron comes with the BN petition - she so wants him to ask her out). Kim obviously had to overcome the difficult obsticle of coming to terms with Eric being a synthodrone and had to force Ron to do what she wanted him to do throughout the whole movie (when she pulls him to the Prom).

[Ashley Benlove]

Bravo, my dear Brit.

[slicknickshady]

Quit saying the word REBOUND!


IT'S NOT A REBOUND!


Ok now back to the thread.

[kingcrab]

Hmmm...

Paging Cloudmonet, paging Cloudmonet...

[ignite444]

Cloudmonet hasn't been on here for a while.

[cloudmonet]

How much analysis do you think I can pull from one nightmare, and one more normal promo? I was planning to kick in this thread after recording the first four episodes. Beyond the obvious— handsome new boyfriend?! I really don't think there's much I can tease out of this.

Okay, the nightmare clearly indicates that for whatever reason Ron's feeling insecure about his new status. And this is fall semester, about three months after the dance. I'll grant that Ron's an easy boy to panic, but usually three months into a relationship that's supposed to be a good one, the boy's not having insecurity nightmares. Wait— Bob and Mark always say something like, "We're comedy guys. We'll interrupt continuity, reality, whatever, for the sake of a good gag" —and Ron experiencing panic is always a good gag. But if I were forced to draw logical conclusions from this, I conclude at this stage they're not, repeat not having frequent intense amorous experiences in the back seat of their funky fresh flying car— if they were, Ron wouldn't be feeling this sort of panic. But even this could be incorrect.

They're dating. They're going on missions. Kim sometimes wears the new suit, sometimes the old costume. Seeing less midriff in her street clothes could mean more hugging and/or kissing.

Kim and Ron both look a bit more like their season 2 selves. Kim's hair is poofed out, with diverging inner lines. Ron's eyes are once again closer to the top of his head.

They seem to be a couple. Like, duh. Insufficient data for definite conclusion about what kind of couple they've become. Looks like the same show, with a bit more hugging and kissing between the principals.

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Oh, hey, Ignite, I'm here, in fact I got windows to both this place and Kataang open. If I've been missing, I was in Eureka for a couple of days. Hey, everyone, meet my friend Ignite444 from Kataang Forever.

[Ashley Benlove]

YAY! Cloudy that was AMAZING!

[Prophet]

You guys really making more eager to watch season 4 great job

[dragoonbigl]

cloudmonet said:

How much analysis do you think I can pull from one nightmare, and one more normal promo?

Cloudmonet....you are amazing. You pulled quite a bit out of that little nightmare and scratched the surface of what obviously is going to be a vry interesting season.

You've definitely given everybody more to chew on.

[kingcrab]

cloudmonet said:

They seem to be a couple. Like, duh. Insufficient data for definite conclusion about what kind of couple they've become. Looks like the same show, with a bit more hugging and kissing between the principals.

Why, duh, they're a romantic couple, of course. After all, they're girlfriend/boyfriend now.

[BOC]

I think Drakken had been watching too much Star Wars and decided to manipulate Ron's dreams.

Seriously though, I'm gonna have nightmares.

[Mr. Boynton]

Ron's nightmare seems to be a pretty straightforward reflection of the type of person he is.

Ron's awfully conservative by nature. More than most people, he seems to live by recurring, familiar patterns. Prior to StD, the things that meant most to him in life included Naco Night, the rule-bound world of video games, and holiday rituals he could repeat in precisely the same way year after year.

And above all else, Kim. Before StD, Ron wanted to preserve his best-friendship with Kim like a leaf in a book. Kim's easy familiarity was precious to him, and his biggest goal was nothing more than to maintain that bond just as it was, for the rest of his life. I'd bet it's the only relationship he's ever attached the word "forever" to.

That desire colored the way he handled all sorts of specific happenings. From his initial reaction to "the Josh Mankey thing" to Kim's moodulator frenzies, Ron would invariably decide to keep things with Kim just as they are. Best friends. Forever.

Even when he showed occasional glimmers (as in the "date" talk in Bad Boy) that he might want something more from their relationship, this conservatism held him back.

Ron's now in an exciting new place in his life, but also in somewhat of a bind. What if he just doesn't measure up as boyfriend material? What if, as a result, their forever-friendship cracks up as a romance? What if Kim ends up hating him?

Ron doesn't like the risk, but he cares too much about Kim now - and fully realizes it - to ever consider going back to the security of their old ways.

And so, Ron fears that the Prom Kiss has ignited a chain of events that might one day turn Kim's warm smile into a vicious leer and "destroy" her -- in the sense of leading to a breakup that would remove her from his life completely.

It's a terribly scary thought, and most likely Ron sloughs it off during his waking hours. So it sneaks up, cat-like, and attacks his mind in the middle of the night.

Love is complicated.

[Panther]

Yay, a new reevalution! ;D I missed these so much <3

[Ashley Benlove]

That was beautiful, Mr. Boynton.

[slicknickshady]

that was great, it sucks that ron can't read spoilers to ease his mind that they will be together forever. Poor Ron.

lol.

[kristessential]

cloudmonet said:

Kim and Ron both look a bit more like their season 2 selves.

I actually think they still look more like Season 3.

[cloudmonet]

We don't know if Ron has been feeling this anxious about Kim constantly, sporadically, or occasionally. In some ways, Ron is out of his comfort zone, but he'd be even farther out of his comfort zone if Kim had another boyfriend and Ron was her "best friend" who spent less and less time with her, and when she was with him, she was blathering about the boyfriend all the time.

We don't know whether Ron talks to Kim when he has nightmares like this, and we don't know how she reacts if he does. If he doesn't tell her stuff like this, we don't know what his reasoning is. To judge from the way she treats him after Dementor scornfully calls Ron her "alleged boyfriend," she seems to be reassuring and supportive.

They may have had a rather idyllic summer, with no missions dramatic enough to film, and Ron got disturbed in Septemjber by the reactions of classmates and villains. We think the dream is what opens the episode, but it could conceivably have been triggered by Dementor's taunts, in which case Ron may be feeling less anxiety in general than we believe. I really don't know. I need to see all of "Ill Suited" before I draw any firm conclusions about this.

kristessential said:

I actually think they still look more like Season 3.

Their appearances do vary from episode to episode, but in general in Season 3, Kim's hair is less poofy, the inner lines are usually parallel rather than radiating, and Ron's eyes are sometimes lower on his face.


Season 2: poofy hair, radiating hair lines.


Season 3: less poofy hair, parallel hair lines.

And yes, you can sometimes find radiating hair lines in season 3.