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Post by Commander Argus on Jan 29, 2007 20:05:39 GMT -5
I want to see Kim wearing that shirt in canon!
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Jan 29, 2007 21:10:03 GMT -5
Yeah, ditto.
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Post by lisalefteye954 on Jan 29, 2007 21:48:07 GMT -5
lol double ditto
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Post by kingcrab on Feb 5, 2007 1:25:22 GMT -5
Oh, Cloudmonet, it's time for you re-evaluate "Ill-Suited".
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Post by Avenger on Feb 5, 2007 1:30:16 GMT -5
I was just thinking... is there really a need for this thread? What are we trying to re-evaluate? They are a couple already. We know there feelings for each other. There aren't clues to pick out and decipher anymore. There really should be a Re-evaluation of anti-K/R feelings. You know, all those non-shippers can look for clues to how Kim and Ron actually can't stand each other and how they are going to break up before the end of the season. As much as I enjoyed the old re-evaluation threads, this just seems like intellectual masturbation at this point.
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Post by slicknickshady on Feb 5, 2007 7:29:20 GMT -5
I was just thinking... is there really a need for this thread? What are we trying to re-evaluate? They are a couple already. We know there feelings for each other. There aren't clues to pick out and decipher anymore. There really should be a Re-evaluation of anti-K/R feelings. You know, all those non-shippers can look for clues to how Kim and Ron actually can't stand each other and how they are going to break up before the end of the season. As much as I enjoyed the old re-evaluation threads, this just seems like intellectual masturbation at this point.
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Feb 5, 2007 7:51:00 GMT -5
I was just thinking... is there really a need for this thread? What are we trying to re-evaluate? They are a couple already. We know there feelings for each other. There aren't clues to pick out and decipher anymore. There really should be a Re-evaluation of anti-K/R feelings. You know, all those non-shippers can look for clues to how Kim and Ron actually can't stand each other and how they are going to break up before the end of the season. As much as I enjoyed the old re-evaluation threads, this just seems like intellectual masturbation at this point. I laughed out loud when I read, "intellectual masturbation" I really did. But, come on, Avy, it's FUN! ;D It makes us feel good! Yay for Kim/Ron-love and intellectual masturbation!
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Post by slicknickshady on Feb 5, 2007 9:21:30 GMT -5
Kim/Ron-love is awesome!
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Post by ninjanaco on Feb 5, 2007 15:41:29 GMT -5
OK, premptive strike... Well, I will concede to cloudmonet, AshleyBenlove and their followers that these two screencaps are, indeed, shippy. And that Kim and Ron are boyfriend and girlfriend. And I support it. But if you make, even in passing, statements such as "Kim was interested in Ron as a boyfriend since 'Exchange,' then I will respond. And it won't be positive.
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Feb 5, 2007 17:59:22 GMT -5
WOW! So, what, you had to SEE it to believe it?! And I thought faith was one of those things you can't see. I'm amazed. Where's my cloudie...?
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Post by ninjanaco on Feb 5, 2007 19:27:18 GMT -5
WOW! So, what, you had to SEE it to believe it?! I was mocking myself. I know there's going to be shippiness this season, and will comment on it. But I'll wait for you guys to get the ball rolling.
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Post by VICIOUS on Feb 8, 2007 2:10:16 GMT -5
You sure that's not just a change in angle? o.o
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Post by Commander Argus on Feb 8, 2007 6:34:02 GMT -5
Kim did have deep and obvious feelings for Ron in Exchange, feelings that were expressed as great joy when her best friend returned.
Sorry, couldn't resist
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Post by cloudmonet on Feb 11, 2007 2:16:22 GMT -5
OK, premptive strike... Well, I will concede to cloudmonet, AshleyBenlove and their followers that these two screencaps are, indeed, shippy. And that Kim and Ron are boyfriend and girlfriend. And I support it. But if you make, even in passing, statements such as "Kim was interested in Ron as a boyfriend since 'Exchange,' then I will respond. And it won't be positive. Well, obviously the devil is in the details, but you'll notice it's not like we've never seen moments like these before. What's really noticeable about the season 4 episodes is how little Kim and Ron's relationship has actually changed. They're still doing more or less the same kinda stuff together, still touching each other in more or less the same way. There are vastly more cheek kisses, which I'll have to count, and one interrupted mouth kiss. Deducing how many kisses are happening offstage may be interesting. I'm not quite sure yet. There's also the question of just how healthy this relationship is, and what has really changed from the friendship that preceeded it. ————————————— I'll get to this soon, I hope.
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Post by VICIOUS on Feb 11, 2007 2:28:58 GMT -5
As far as the health goes, I've noticed Ron in these season for episodes being a Great Deal more confident.. Either that or he just plain Doesn't see Junior as a threat >.> All in all, i think the relationship between him and Kim is helping out Ron a lot more than he realizes.
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Post by lisalefteye954 on Feb 11, 2007 11:12:01 GMT -5
OK, premptive strike... Well, I will concede to cloudmonet, AshleyBenlove and their followers that these two screencaps are, indeed, shippy. And that Kim and Ron are boyfriend and girlfriend. And I support it. But if you make, even in passing, statements such as "Kim was interested in Ron as a boyfriend since 'Exchange,' then I will respond. And it won't be positive. Well, obviously the devil is in the details, but you'll notice it's not like we've never seen moments like these before. What's really noticeable about the season 4 episodes is how little Kim and Ron's relationship has actually changed. They're still doing more or less the same kinda stuff together, still touching each other in more or less the same way. There are vastly more cheek kisses, which I'll have to count, and one interrupted mouth kiss. Deducing how many kisses are happening offstage may be interesting. I'm not quite sure yet. There's also the question of just how healthy this relationship is, and what has really changed from the friendship that preceeded it. ————————————— I'll get to this soon, I hope. well put i havnt really noticed much of a change in there relationship sure they go on dates ( The big Job ) but really nothing really has changed. i guess we will just have to see as the story goes on.
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Post by ninjanaco on Feb 11, 2007 13:30:49 GMT -5
Okay, since the Exchange hug has been again postulated as intrinsically shippy, I am obligated to dig up these two screencaps of OMG BIG HUGS from the SG-1 episode "The Serpent's Lair": The point being, big emotional hugs do not equate shippiness. Another example - during my first year in college, I took a high school friend of mine (who went to a different university) as my date for a school dance. A little bit later, another classmate of mine (who went to my high school and my college) arrived with her date, and upon seeing my date, ran up enthusiastically and hugged her, IIRC. Said classmate (the one who went to the same college as I) is now married. Point? The fact that a girl runs up and gives you a big hug does not neccessarily mean she is interested in you as a romantic partner. The hug in "Exchange" was Kim's happiness that her best friend had returned from a week's abscence. The fact that the Exchange hug was not shippy, in my opinion, makes the contrast with the "I--Suited" hug all the more apparent. The feelings conveyed in the latter embrace, it seems to me, were the type that was seen in the looks Kim and Ron gave each other right before they kissed in "So the Drama:" the look of peace and contentment at finding/being with your one true love. See - I am a Kim/Ron shipper. EDIT (Off-topic note): Just noticed my sig when looking at my "ask me!" thread, and the pose of Kim and Ron in Cmdr. Argus's K/R userbar is nearily identical to Jake and Rose's pose (I grabbed it from "The Academy") in my Jake/Rose userbar. Interesting coincidence, don't you think?
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Post by cloudmonet on Feb 11, 2007 15:00:59 GMT -5
The biggest difference is that now Kim and Ron say that they're going together, and of course these moments now come much more frequently. I don't know anything about Stargate, but I suppose if these two hugging characters ever do become an item, one could fairly say this was an early example.
ILL-SUITED
In the interest of enlightening those fans who were shocked, shocked, shocked that Kim and Ron got together as a couple so "suddenly" near the end of "So the Drama," and who thought the young fangirls who believed Kim and Ron were obviously TRU LUV 4 EVVA were spouting utter nonsense, a number of us, of whom I seem to be the most infamous, attempted to determine just what was making said fangirls feel this way, and mostly came up with body-language and jealousy stuff.
The body language is exactly the same now. Kim still gives Ron those Mona Lisa smiles when he's being sweet. Ron still shows the same cheerleader-for-Kim enthusiasm he always did, and still boosts her confidence when she has moments of insecurity. The big difference is they now verbally interpret these moments for us, and pretty often. Hey look at us, we're shipping K/R!
But one other thing hasn't changed, and that's Kim's impatience and lack of support for Ron's insecurities. Yep, Ron always steps right up and supports her whenever she feels the least bit unsure of herself, which happens more often than anyone but Ron will ever know, but no way is she gonna return the favor, much as she seems to love him. Why not?
At the very beginning of Ill-Suited, the first episode of longt-awaited season four, we see Ron having the mother of all insecurity fits. He has a nightmare that the Kim he kissed at the prom is actually a goo-filled synthodrone, who gives him an evil grin and melts before his eyes. He wakes up, it's 3:15 AM, and he panics, suddenly unsure of his whole reality.
So he calls her up and asks her if she's a synthodrone, if they kissed at the prom, if they're dating. No, yes, and yes, but if he keeps calling her in the middle of the night like this, she won't kiss him again.
Hmm. This could mean that although Kim and Ron are dating, she hasn't kissed him like that since the junior prom— and we haven't actually seen them kiss mouth-to-mouth in any of the new episodes, so I suppose this is possible, but I don't believe it. I think we just aren't seeing most of the kisses because Bob, Mark, and Steve don't want a kissing show.
Well, one thing for sure, as I said a few pages up, Kim and Ron aren't making mad passionate love to their hormones' complete contentment, or Ron wouldn't be having this kind of anxiety attack. Or at least, I don't think he would, however high strung he is. Kim does seem to have the habit of kissing his cheek whenever they separate, so presumably she kisses his lips in the private moments we're not seeing.
So we move into the episode. Dementor doubts the reality of K/R, and Kim does give Ron a bit of reassurance. Hmm. I'm contradicting myself already— or am I? That's it! Kim gives Ron reassurance and support against any external emotional attack, but has less patience with his tendency to self-destruct.
Hey, wait a minute! Promise me you won't obsess over Bonnie's remarks? Which of course is exactly what Ron does! Hey, Kim knows what she's doing! She's giving him support when he needs it, but doing it in such a way that she's encouraging maturity on his part! Clever girl!
But then we have a sitcom-like misunderstanding of a bit of dialog about Monique's cell phone causing Ron to take, uh, desperate measures. The mad dog wants to be quarterback! And we learn the supersuit is one size fits all, although hanging in the closet, it looks Kim-shaped.
And Dementor's doing something that Drakken has tried all too often— going after Kim herself. This is asking for disaster. Yeah, he makes a remote control for the suit the size of a car dashboard, then he puts the suit on himself. If you're gonna do that, Professor D, sabotage the remote control first, or you'll be treated to a bemused and scantily clad Kim and Ron sitting together, watching Rufus make you clobber yourself!
But before that Dementor makes Ron fight Kim, while they discuss the morality of Ron "borrowing" the suit, and the reasons why he did this. And she's very supportive, considering everything. It's quite a spectacle, watching two faces apparently happy and in love, while the bodies are fighting.
And then, the hug. Why not a kiss, even a brief one? It would seem appropriate in an episode as focused on the relationship as this one. I'm not sure. Maybe Kim doesn't want a reputation as school makeout queen. Who knows what the talk was like after the prom, or whether Kim even cared. Possibly not showing very many kisses is just a strategy to keep us excited without disgusting however many anti-K/R-shippers still like the show.
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I suggest we wait till the airing of "Car Alarm" next week before moving on. This way, we can at least manage to discuss at least the first four episodes in proper chronological order, and I'm sure there's much more that people will have to say about "Ill Suited." Gnuhopper, James, and J, are you around? Taechunsa, is season 4 gonna to lure you back to this hallowed forum?
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Post by GnuHopper on Feb 11, 2007 15:47:40 GMT -5
I'm still around CM. I'll have to get some comments up later. But overall I thought all last night's eps were winners to one degree or other. But almost better than that is having some new eps to discuss, dissect and otherwise analyze on the boards again!
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Post by slicknickshady on Feb 11, 2007 16:03:54 GMT -5
Good post cloudmonet. I agree that most of there kisses are in private off screen.
We are not going to see many full lip on lip kisses imo we will be lucky to get 1 and it's real dissapointing to me but I will just have to get used to it and now that they are a couple you know they have to be kissing off screen and during there private momments we don't see like befire and after each date when Ron drops Kim off at home and they say there goodnights. I mean in 2 of the Episodes we had a nice kiss on the cheek and in another one they were about to but were interupted.
I honestly believe CM that the phone conversation was the night of the dance or a few days afterword because if you noticed how the next scene was right in dementors place with no lead up and then the next scene they are back in school from summer break. It's obvious from Bonnies comments that they have been a couple since the prom and through summer vacation. Im sure kim cared CM because heck she was the one who really made the move and took the initative in So the drama by taking rons hand and heading off to the prom.
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