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Post by kimerik forever on Sept 1, 2005 0:29:22 GMT -5
so like i see tons of threads and polls on couples and pairs and such which are lots of fun to read but never any on fights in the show theres at least 1 fight per episode so i thought a thread about who people think are the top 5 characters that fight are. but before i give ya my top five like a couple rules this is for humans,super humans and demi humans only no robots cyborgs monsters beings that don't follow the rules of time and or space and so on. why not monsters etc cause simply theres no way to rank them could giant Rufus beat Felix? theres no way to tell. with humans and the like we can use Kim as a starting point cause she fights just about every one in the entire show at one point or another even the good guys. so any way heres my top five. 1. Future Drakkan we all remember aSiT shego enhanced drakkan using genetic engineering making him about 2 feet taller and about 200 pounds heavier. this bulked up drakkan is the only villain we ever see thats easily able to defeat Kim not only can he beat Kim he can hold his own vs Kim and future Monique. hes super strong he also clearly has some sort of upgraded toughness. (Kim hits like a heavy weight boxer and lands a ton of punch's and hes not even phased) he is slower than Kim but his super toughness and raw power more than make up for it. 2. Hirotaka kinda an odd one huh lol. well think about it first off hirotaka is the student that they pick to be exchanged. schools don't pick bad students for this in a normal school the top student(s) more than likely isn't the best fighter but he goes to a ninja school so its kinda different. we also see him sparing with Kim for about 10 seconds but that 10 seconds tells us a ton we VERY rarely see Kim breathing hard but she is after this. this tells me that she was trying at about 150%(which makes since shes trying to impress him so shes not gonna slack off). 3. Hego Hego isn't superman people tend to forget that super strength doesn't come with invincibility. that being said he still can throw a car lol. so why isn't he higher you say well for the same reason shego didn't even make my top 5 the go team glows simply burns to much energy if u can only fight for 30 seconds tops you aren't a good fighter really. 4. Future Monique in the time line where shego rules the world Monique has trained hardcore for roughly 18 years. Kim cant have trained this hardcore for more than 7 years and this is a very tippy top max number( starts training at 4 trains hard till JR high when she starts going on missions which kills her spare time). Monique is also taller and heavier than Kim but doesn't seem to have lost any speed id say this extra size adds up to more power and thus harder strikes(strikes are kicks, Punch's etc.). 5 Kim if you don't know about Kim's fighting skills u haven't been watching the show lol  so what do you think agree with my top 5, think im totally wrong on all 5? sound off also giant drakkan forever!!!1111  |
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Post by Porphyria_Kris on Sept 1, 2005 0:39:34 GMT -5
1. Future Drakkan we all remember aSiT shego enhanced drakkan using genetic engineering making him about 2 feet taller and about 200 pounds heavier. this bulked up drakkan is the only villain we ever see thats easily able to defeat Kim not only can he beat Kim he can hold his own vs Kim and future Monique. hes super strong he also clearly has some sort of upgraded toughness. (Kim hits like a heavy weight boxer and lands a ton of punch's and hes not even phased) he is slower than Kim but his super toughness and raw power more than make up for it. I wouldn't put Hulk!Drakken as number one... he may have the strength, but he doesn't have the finnesse and training that the other fighters have. Plus, once Ron got well and truly pissed he tossed Hulk!Drakken across the room like a rag doll. And Shego should DEFINITELY make it to the top five. I dunno where, but she should definitely place somewhere. |
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Post by Potential Boy on Sept 1, 2005 9:07:19 GMT -5
based on what I've seen in the shows...
1. Kim
Really, considering she beats everyone on a constant basis, and takes on "Drakkin and co." in ASiT and also says in Hidden Talent that she knows 37 forms of martial arts...I say she kinda is at the top
2. Shego
The only person who has ever been anywhere near Kim's level. She still puts up a real run for the money in StD even when Kim has the Battle Suit. Plus with her Go team glow it is obvious every one else besides Kim is gona have problems.
3. Monkey Fist
Monkey KunFu is his strenght here, plus he has an army of monkey nijas. But, for being a ninja trained fully in martial arts and having Mystical Monkey power, he has serious issues when facing even a Naked Mole Rat [Rufus 3000]
4. Ron
As much as he tries, fighting isn't his best thing. He's much better off using his mind and finding ways to out wit people. Still, he has his moments of real shine...though they seem to only be when mystical monkey power is involved or when someone does something to Bueno Nacho and angers him...
5. Duff Kiligan
Long range is his game...melee or swords-manship isn't...he can't even beat a girl with two gulf clubs...or a putter...
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Post by AgHorizonFilm on Sept 1, 2005 14:56:02 GMT -5
I think Potential has got the list a bit more accurate.
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Post by cloudmonet on Sept 1, 2005 20:20:03 GMT -5
What? When has Monkey Fist ever beat Ron?
Kim always beats Shego. Shego comes on stronger at first, and Kim's initial strategy is usually to dodge and evade, but Shego seems to tire sooner than Kim, so if Kim can outlast the initial onslaught, victory is inevitable. The Go Team glow seems to come with a price. Shego can still fight just fine without her powers, but her brothers don't know what to do, so on that basis I'd give her the edge.
Kim and Ron, separately or together, always beat Monkey Fist. Ron seldom tries to fight Shego, and seems unable to deal with her.
One person who gives Kim some serious trouble in a straight fight is Motor Ed, but we've seen Shego wallop him. Of course, there's always the scissors-paper-rock scenario: Maybe Ed can beat Kim, Kim can beat Shego, and Shego can beat Ed. But I'm assuming that in a protracted fight, Kim is likely to win. Which would give us:
1. Kim
2. Shego
3. Motor Ed
4. Ron
5. Monkey Fist
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Post by iluvredheads07 on Sept 1, 2005 21:47:44 GMT -5
1. Kim
She knows 16 styles of Kung Fu and has rarely lost a fight. She took down Shego three times in STD and her only notable loss was to future Drakkin. She defintly is the best fighter.
2. Shego
She can whip up on anyone, except Kim. Throughout the series she has faced other fighters and can defeat a large number of groups.
3. Monkey power Ron
When Ron gets his monkey power going, he becomes a pretty tough guy to fight. Although the power is only triggered by his emotions, when he he harnesses it he can take down the likes of Monkey Fist and even future Drakkin.
4. Monkey Fist
He is a maste of monkry kung fu and is deadly in hand to hand combat. He is a bit crazy though so he never fights with any kind of menatl strictness. His anger is his downfall and he can't defeat Ron.
5. Yori
Although we have never really seen Yori go all out in a fight, she is a very strong fighter. We can figure out she is a very advanced student at the ninja school. She also is a master of dealy weapons, I'd still love to see her take on Kim.
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Post by kimerik forver on Sept 2, 2005 4:11:42 GMT -5
wow every one has shego in there top five besides me? in my book shego is no where near the top 5 and barely in top 10. fact is shego is 90% talk who have we ever seen her beat with out jumping them besides henchmen (dementors,Ron's and drakkans drones) i cant think of any one besides drakkan who doesnt fight and even if he could beat her he wouldnt.her "super power"is more like a super weakness its a proven fact that it burns a huge amount of engery and tires her out very fast. she can still fight after her starting glowing charge that she always does but if you watch the glow hurts her speed shes slower and weaker as the fight goes on its not just that she cant use her power any more. i have hego higher than shego because if you only have 30-45 seconds to fight before you start to lose speed and power super strength is better than fire hands cause theres more options such as knocking buildings down around him and who ever hes fighting throwing huge things like cars and trees etc both are things hego could easily do. another thing is if shego lands a punch with the fire hands the fights not over even if she was to land a hit on the face its a bad burn and a nasty cut cause of her gloves but theres a good chance who ever she hit would still be able to defend themselfs and keep fighting. if hego lands even blocked punch the fight is over cause he is gonna break arms or what ever was used to block and more than likely be able too follow thru with that same punch and hit head or body ending the fight outright. so hego is better than shego cause a cut on the face isnt a fight ending injury two shattered arms are. when does Ron ever fight shego id say he can beat her and just thinks he cant. Ron isn't the most confident fighter and shegos nonstop trash talking i belive gets to him. in shegos mind from her talk you'd think she could wipe the floor with Kim and fact is shes not even close. Kim easily beats shego every time. Ron thinks that hes much weaker than Kim(hes not) and shegos talk makes him think thats shes better than Kim so he just gives up with out a fight. the one time i can remember shego having to hit Ron with out him giving up is in STD and he was totally about attacking Erik and saving Kim. he seemed to have a personal dislike of Erik wonder why  . shego was totally off his radar and she jumped him thats not beating him thats attacking a dictracted ron and hiting him from behind not proof that shego is better than Ron. just that she can hit hard enough to knock him out if hes not ready for it. now ill explain my number one pick hulk drakkan(( :-/i don't like hulk drakkan its misleading hes not like The Hulk he doesn't have a banner side, hes always huge but that seems to be what folks on the forum call him so i will as well  )) i have him as number one cause he can beat Kim he might not know 17 forms of kung fu but he doesn't need them. theres no reason for him to learn how to fight if he is ten times stronger than anyone he might fight. hes also able to take a pretty bad beating with out being dazed or knocked down or any signs that he was even geting hit at all. its been a while since ive seen Asit but as i recall kim hit him alot and it did nothing. as too ron being able to throw him thats not that big a deal in my book he wasnt down for the count or even close he was standing seconds later ready for more. just at this point the fighting was done and it was time to protect the time monkey. |
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Post by Porphyria_Kris on Sept 2, 2005 7:30:00 GMT -5
i have hego higher than shego because if you only have 30-45 seconds to fight before you start to lose speed and power super strength is better than fire hands cause theres more options such as knocking buildings down around him and who ever hes fighting throwing huge things like cars and trees etc both are things hego could easily do. another thing is if shego lands a punch with the fire hands the fights not over even if she was to land a hit on the face its a bad burn and a nasty cut cause of her gloves but theres a good chance who ever she hit would still be able to defend themselfs and keep fighting. if hego lands even blocked punch the fight is over cause he is gonna break arms or what ever was used to block and more than likely be able too follow thru with that same punch and hit head or body ending the fight outright. so hego is better than shego cause a cut on the face isnt a fight ending injury two shattered arms are. Granted super strength may be a better power... I haven't seen enough from Hego to know if it is or not. However, take away their powers (which Aviarius did). And Hego doesn't last long in a fight. He tired really easily after a short bout of dodging and taunting from Aviarius. Yet we know that Shego is still a formidable fighter without her powers because she's got physical training and all those kung fu moves on her side. The word hulk doesn't just refer to the superhero. It can refer to anything massive, which Drakken is here. Hence the name. You seem to side with the strength side of fighting... I tend to side more with the skill side because certain kinds of strength (momentum, mostly) can be used against a person in a fight. Drakken has tons of strength here, but I'm willing to bet he hasn't been trained well. Not having a fighters mindset means that eventually, he'll probably leave a weakness open. |
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Post by cloudmonet on Sept 2, 2005 11:54:22 GMT -5
Right. How could I forget Yori:
1. Kim
2. Shego
3. Yori
4. Hego
5. Motor Ed
6. Ron
7. Monkey Fist
Of course, Yori's placement, and Hego's, is kind of hypothetical. They may be better than this. A Yori/Shego fight would be enlightening; so would a Hego/Shego fight.
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Post by AgHorizonFilm on Sept 2, 2005 14:29:10 GMT -5
Cloud I think you got it.
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Post by El Bissop on Sept 14, 2005 19:37:02 GMT -5
My take.
Kim:
C'mon, this is Kim we're talking about. She can kick 200 pound guys halfway across the room, she's got a 15 foot vertical leap, she plows through groups of henchmen like a cuisinart and comes out on top even in one-on-one fights against superpowered supervillains. Her only real weakness seems to be that dropping heavy objects on her will slow her down for a minute or so, and that ain't much of a weakness. She's never really been defeated, best most bad guys have ever managed is to knock her down long enough to get away. Only exceptions I can think of are Hulk Drakken and Shego (on a couple occasions).
Shego:
In Tick Tick Tick, Drakken remarks that "Shego NEVER fails!", which suggests her defeat at KP's hands was her first loss. And, even though Shego always ends up losing against KP, I'd actually say they're about equal. Often, Kim only beats Shego because of outside intervention that gives her a slight edge (Big Mike, Ron, Rufus, the Tweebs, etc.) AND Shego's actually managed to beat Kim down on a couple occasions (Two to Tutor, for example), she just never manages to finish her off.
Monkey Fist:
Monkey Fist does extremely well in his solo episodes, and seems to give Kim at least as much trouble as Shego does. However, ASiT doesn't seem to place him quite as high as Kim or Shego. MF's strikes are strong enough to crush a school locker, and he break a space helmet to pieces with his bare hands, so he's actually stronger than he looks.
Motor Ed:
Ya know, Motor Ed is the only character that's actually fought both Kim and Ron at the same time. And he won (kinda) through sheer brute force. Granted, Kim and Ron weren't working together and Ron wasn't in Monkey Mode (I doubt anyone would be able to stand against Kim + Monkey Ron), but still beating them both at once is pretty impressive. Plus in Steal Wheels he demonstrates good use of "Jackie Chan Fu", grabbing totally random junk in the environment and turning it into weaponry.
Ron:
I have to give Ron credit, he's got insane dodging skills. Sure, he looks a LOT goofier than Kim when doing it, but his ability to avoid attacks seems at least as good as hers. Unfortunately, he seems unable or unwilling to actually retaliate with punches or kicks of his own. On the rare occasions he gets his Monkey Fu goin', he's able to keep up with Kim, but doesn't seem to be quite on her level. He beat Fukushima and the Monkey Ninjas, and is able to spar competantly against Monkey Fist for a while, but ultimately MF always gets the upper hand since he's got 4 hands (In both cases Rufus or Fredrick helped out and immobilized MF so Ron could deliver a knockout blow). He does have an ace up his sleeve in his "drama power", which is just plain devastating, but he almost never uses it (only times I can think of are at the end of the two movies, ASiT and StD).
Drakken:
It's probably for comedic purposes, but Drakken seems to be practically indestructible. At the very least, he's massively resistant against blunt trauma and all forms of energy (electrocution, explosions, plasma fire, etc). Certainly, no other character on the show takes as much punishment as he does and keeps on tickin'. Too bad he can't seem to hit worth a darn. Hulk him up, however, and he becomes the closest thing the show's ever had to a big bad endboss. I'd normally agree with the whole "skills over strength" thing, but Dr. D and KP actually fought in ASiT, and Dr. D won, so that's gotta count for something.
We really don't see much of Dr. Director/Yori/Sensei, but what little we do suggests they're at least in the same league as Kim (with Sensei maybe being the only character I'd put higher than her, since he's the only one who was actually able to go toe-to-toe with DNAmy's freakin' King Kong enforcers).
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Post by Kayleigh on Sept 14, 2005 19:49:06 GMT -5
My take. Kim: C'mon, this is Kim we're talking about. She can kick 200 pound guys halfway across the room, she's got a 15 foot vertical leap, she plows through groups of henchmen like a cuisinart and comes out on top even in one-on-one fights against superpowered supervillains. Her only real weakness seems to be that dropping heavy objects on her will slow her down for a minute or so, and that ain't much of a weakness. She's never really been defeated, best most bad guys have ever managed is to knock her down long enough to get away. Only exceptions I can think of are Hulk Drakken and Shego (on a couple occasions). Amen to that! I'm goin with Cloud on this one!  |
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Post by cloudmonet on Sept 14, 2005 22:31:55 GMT -5
I neglected Dr. Director. She's pretty good, was probably even better in her younger days as a field agent.
I like how E Bissop considers both offense and defense. I think I'm gonna stick with my list as given in reply 8, but I am wondering more about Sensei. I guess I don't think of him as a fighter, though he obviously is. Amy and her gorillas were able to capture him. They were also able to capture Kim, Ron, Yori, and Monkey Fist, who were sort of trapped by the layout of the zoo. And then, if the mission was to find Sensei, being captured was a good move, so I'm not sure what to read into this. I would rank the gorillas as "difficult opponents," but these were defeated the second time.
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Post by kimerik forver on Sept 15, 2005 3:49:34 GMT -5
Dr director is certainly a top 10 fighter from KP. But what about hirotaka hes the only person we have seen thats faster than Kim . we didn't really see alot of him in the series but Kim's best fighting skill is her super speed that she uses to line up magic chin shots or head kicks. we never see hirotaka get hit so he might just be speed and a glass jaw but i cant think of any other character that has a weak chin so would be kinda weird if he was the only one. as for shego and the time in two to tutor she was able to land a blow.( its been a while cant remember what kind it was) Kim wasn't beaten she was just knocked into that batter stuff. also didn't she get out of it and kick shego hard dropping her? watch a few of there fights and count blows that are landed your gonna see Kim stomping shego bad 99% of the time. shego also always runs away from Kim.she might some times make a tough girl comment like "ill finish you next time princess"or something like that. but most of the time shego is getting busted up bad and drakkan saves her by escaping and taking his side kick with him. so anyway shego rant off but point is shego Hugely over rated. my new top 7 1.Hulk Drakkan (hes the only unbeaten fighter and he beat Kim) 2. Kim (shes Kim) 3. full monkey mode Ron (when hes full monkey which he cant control hes just about unstoppable but hes in full monkey so rarely ) 4. Hego (he gasses easily, he has no fighting skills, and hes slow, but guess what he can throw huge stuff at people  ) 5. Yori (shes like a japan version of Kim only with more training and worse genes) 6. hirotaka (super speed and ninja training gotta go with Mr taka) 7. motor ED (hes big hes quick for his size and hes got a good fighting style for his build) |
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Post by Azurice on Sept 15, 2005 8:10:15 GMT -5
1.Hulk Drakkan (hes the only unbeaten fighter and he beat Kim) Ron beat him. Heck, Ron threw him over his shoulder like he was nothing. |
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Post by El Bissop on Sept 15, 2005 17:48:26 GMT -5
True, true. Good analysis. Then again, Kim's been captured herself on a semi-regular basis. My logic on Sensei and the Gorillas was that Sensei was actually able to go toe-to-toe with one and block its attacks (I mean, getting hit by a fist the size of John Belushi has gotta hurt), whereas Kim and Yori were flipping and dodge around. I wouldn't say the Gorillas were in the same league as Hulk Drakken or Monkey Fist and Shego, just that they're a lot tougher physically than what Kim usual faces.
Well, when you think about it all Hulk Drakken did was knock Kim down long enough to capture her, which is similar to what Shego does in Two to Tutor. So, I count a T.K.O. as a win even though Kim always manages to reverse the situation after the actual fighting is over.
About Hulk Drakken:
True, but the way I see it Ron's got three levels of fighting skill based on his mood.
1) Regular Ron: What we see most of the time. Incredible dodging skills (just saw Sink or Swim, and Ron actually does the Neo when dodging Gill's slime), but doesn't block very much, is unable or unwilling to fight back, and gives up rather easily.
2) Monkey Fu Ron: Ron in hero mode. Rarely used, and only when Ron's solo without Kim's help. This puts Ron in the big leagues, but still he's still only able to tie against Monkey Fist without Rufus' help, and isn't exactly winning in the final fight against Erik either.
3) Angry Ron: Ron when using his "Drama Power". When Ron gets pushed over the edge, he loses his easy-going, live-and-let-live attitude and suddenly becomes capable of throwing 500-pound superhumans clear across the room and snapping a dude's head clean off. However, this only lasts for a very brief amount of time, and is extremely rare.
So, if you ignore Ron's "drama power" (which he has no control over), Ron ranks high but not at the top. And Hulk Drakken, who took on all comers and won, can arguable be ranked at the top (unless maybe you count non-characters like Anubis, the Stone Guardian, or the Diablos).
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Post by Mart on Sept 15, 2005 18:41:49 GMT -5
1. Kim (of course)
2. Shego (well, of course)
3. Yori (she's good)
4. Monkey/Monty Fist
5. Motor Ed (well, he actually is good. there has been a thread about this some other place)
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Post by Ziyou on Sept 15, 2005 21:17:18 GMT -5
for me, 1.Shego 2.Kim 3.Ron 4.Monkey Fist 5.  ? |
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Post by Azurice on Sept 16, 2005 8:17:38 GMT -5
About Hulk Drakken: True, but the way I see it Ron's got three levels of fighting skill based on his mood. 1) Regular Ron: What we see most of the time. Incredible dodging skills (just saw Sink or Swim, and Ron actually does the Neo when dodging Gill's slime), but doesn't block very much, is unable or unwilling to fight back, and gives up rather easily. 2) Monkey Fu Ron: Ron in hero mode. Rarely used, and only when Ron's solo without Kim's help. This puts Ron in the big leagues, but still he's still only able to tie against Monkey Fist without Rufus' help, and isn't exactly winning in the final fight against Erik either. 3) Angry Ron: Ron when using his "Drama Power". When Ron gets pushed over the edge, he loses his easy-going, live-and-let-live attitude and suddenly becomes capable of throwing 500-pound superhumans clear across the room and snapping a dude's head clean off. However, this only lasts for a very brief amount of time, and is extremely rare. So, if you ignore Ron's "drama power" (which he has no control over), Ron ranks high but not at the top. And Hulk Drakken, who took on all comers and won, can arguable be ranked at the top (unless maybe you count non-characters like Anubis, the Stone Guardian, or the Diablos). Now that's a good analysis. I understand that he's not at the top, but I don't think super-Drakken is either. Technically he doesn't even exist. Though I agree that Ron is mainly a 'dodger', another example is when he was the distraction for Jim and Tim in Twin Factor. |
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Post by lotusbloom on Sept 20, 2005 23:06:57 GMT -5
1 Ron
2 Kim
3 Shego
4 MokeyFist
5 Yori
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. shego was totally off his radar and she jumped him thats not beating him thats attacking a dictracted ron and hiting him from behind not proof that shego is better than Ron. just that she can hit hard enough to knock him out if hes not ready for it.
)) i have him as number one cause he can beat Kim he might not know 17 forms of kung fu but he doesn't need them. theres no reason for him to learn how to fight if he is ten times stronger than anyone he might fight. hes also able to take a pretty bad beating with out being dazed or knocked down or any signs that he was even geting hit at all. its been a while since ive seen Asit but as i recall kim hit him alot and it did nothing. as too ron being able to throw him thats not that big a deal in my book he wasnt down for the count or even close he was standing seconds later ready for more. just at this point the fighting was done and it was time to protect the time monkey.
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