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Post by Comrade_Chin on Apr 29, 2007 10:35:08 GMT -5
Lol sometimes i think this topic goes to the extreme
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Post by Forlong on Apr 29, 2007 15:20:50 GMT -5
Those screencaps prove s1/s2 "fondling" as much as these Ill-Suited screenshots: "prove" Kim/Monique. You read way too much into things. Dirty...evil...thoughts!
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Post by slicknickshady on Apr 29, 2007 17:22:02 GMT -5
I'm not sure whether to roll my eyes or what. It's deja vu time, and these threads almost always end up getting locked. But just so you know my own prejudices— I have nothing against premarital sex. If I did I'd be a major hypocrite, cause I've never had any other kind. Neither did St. Augustine. Of course, he converted after that... And that's one of the bonuses of us having a season 4! Well, from my single, virgin, never-had-a-girlfriend perspective, "making out" seems more like a process than a single act. The StD kiss, while passionate, seems to have been a solitary event, with no real evidence suggesting "play" immediately after. And, of course, what would a cloudmonet post be without eisegesis? Those screencaps prove s1/s2 "fondling" as much as these Ill-Suited screenshots: "prove" Kim/Monique. You read way too much into things. I don't agree with that NinjaNaco. I don't think that proves anything about kim/monique. Cloud was not saying they made out in those scenes. He was pointing out those may be some of the ways they do in season 4. I at least took his post that way,
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Post by Levelord on Apr 29, 2007 20:32:24 GMT -5
On average, the human male has a sexual thought every six seconds. Even more so with teenagers (I know because I am one). Ron's impulsivity is of a different nature than Kim's. Kim tends to charge headlong into situations without thinking of the consequences, whereas Ron simply arrives at conclusions (usually the wrong ones) very, very quickly, quickly enough to stop and make Kim think. It's also fast enough to make him realize that he really shouldn't act on his sexual desires unless the person towards whom he has those desires is willing. Guess what my mind goes through when I draw Either way I think Kp is more sexually aggressive for Ron. If you see Ron, he keeps bringing up the fact that the chances of him and Kp getting hooked up are slim. He mentioned this in Car trouble and in Odds Man In. Kp on the other hand, Kp refers to Ron's actions as 'romantic'. Then you see her go all mushy and gives the really stupid look. You know she wants to do him XD Poor Wade...
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Post by slicknickshady on Apr 29, 2007 23:09:54 GMT -5
On average, the human male has a sexual thought every six seconds. Even more so with teenagers (I know because I am one). Ron's impulsivity is of a different nature than Kim's. Kim tends to charge headlong into situations without thinking of the consequences, whereas Ron simply arrives at conclusions (usually the wrong ones) very, very quickly, quickly enough to stop and make Kim think. It's also fast enough to make him realize that he really shouldn't act on his sexual desires unless the person towards whom he has those desires is willing. Guess what my mind goes through when I draw Either way I think Kp is more sexually aggressive for Ron. If you see Ron, he keeps bringing up the fact that the chances of him and Kp getting hooked up are slim. He mentioned this in Car trouble and in Odds Man In. Kp on the other hand, Kp refers to Ron's actions as 'romantic'. Then you see her go all mushy and gives the really stupid look. You know she wants to do him XD Poor Wade... To correct you a little he says those in the past tense. Like it was was slim that he and kim became a couple or the odds were against them becoming a couple. It does not seem he still thinks it. Yep. I really don't think it matters when or how they do it. I think all that matters is they will do it eventually. If you are for or against premarital sex it does not matter. It will happen eventually no matter what. We can't know if it will be before or after marriage but we know it will happen because It should be obvious since TPTB say Kim and Ron are Destiny and they will be together forever you have to assume marriage comes eventually and then sex, kids and etc. ;D
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Post by Kimron Posstoppable on Apr 29, 2007 23:14:41 GMT -5
After seeing "Odds Man In", I'm further convinced that they've gone no farther than "second base", if that far. One thing to consider is that just because a couple is acting secretive and romantic does not mean they are having sex--they could just be secretive and romantic because they're in love. That's a good point . Not all couples in love constantly jump each other. Lol sometimes i think this topic goes to the extreme Me, too. LOL. Some seem to think they shouldn't ever do anything but hold hands and others think Kim pounces on Ron the second they're alone. There's no in-between with some of us. I tend to think of it more like "It started with kissing...and ended with 'what did we just do?'" I agree. Intimacy is spontaneous. I think that with Kim and Ron it'll be something that just... happens. True, that. I bet K.P. would try to plan the heck out of it, though (whether they wait for their honeymoon or not).
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Post by slicknickshady on Apr 29, 2007 23:16:20 GMT -5
After seeing "Odds Man In", I'm further convinced that they've gone no farther than "second base", if that far. One thing to consider is that just because a couple is acting secretive and romantic does not mean they are having sex--they could just be secretive and romantic because they're in love. That's a good point . Not all couples in love constantly jump each other, even young couples. Me, too. LOL. Some seem to think they shouldn't ever do anything but hold hands and others think Kim pounces on Ron the second they're alone. There's no in-between with some of us. I agree. Intimacy is spontaneous. I think that with Kim and Ron it'll be something that just... happens. True, that. I bet K.P. would try to plan the heck out of it, though (whether they wait for their honeymoon or not). Second Base is making out and really that's all we can know for sure because they wont tackle 3rd Base (Stimulation) or Home (Sex) on this show. Not all high school couple do stimulation and not all have sex. All high school couples i have ever known and seen made out with each other. I think we can safely assume they make out. We can't safely assume anything past that tough.
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Post by beeftony on Apr 30, 2007 0:51:24 GMT -5
We can't know if it will be before or after marriage but we know it will happen because It should be obvious since TPTB say Kim and Ron are Destiny and they will be together forever you have to assume marriage comes eventually and then sex, kids and etc. I don't know if you've taken a Philosophy course, but I'm getting a little weary of your appeals to unneccessary authority. Like Dracko19 said, what will or will not happen in canon has nothing to do with this thread. It is essentially a fanfic thread, in which us fans' interpretations of the characters are the only thing that matters, not what the people who probably don't even look at these threads did or didn't say. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that it does nothing (good or bad) for your argument when you bring in an outside authority that doesn't need to be called upon. It's like trying to swat a fly with a Buick if you pull out the big guns so early. It's just unneccessary. I guess what I'm trying to say is that people will respect your opinion more if you back it up with actual reason instead of constantly playing the TPTB card. I would, at least. And before you ask, this has nothing to do with KiGo (so don't even bring it up ). It has to do with the fact that you seek to end the argument as quickly as possible rather than have a lengthy and possibly very interesting discussion. Let your imagination run wild for a little bit instead of just swallowing what you're told. Think outside the box. But what do I know? *walks off, bored*
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Post by Nutzkie on Apr 30, 2007 1:01:16 GMT -5
TPTB say Kim and Ron are Destiny and they will be together forever... Why is it whenever someone brings this up, I think of all Kim and Ron's world-saving activities, and then I think of a motivational poster my high school yearbook adviser had on her office wall: "Never under-estimate the ability of a small, highly-dedicated group of people to change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." ...Wierd that I keep having that flashback, eh?
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Post by MrDrP on Apr 30, 2007 6:25:13 GMT -5
I suspect that K and R's intimate life off camera amounts to aggressive kissing and wandering hands. These two don't need to rush into anything and I doubt they feel a need to: what is important to them is being together and fooling around is one of doing that, i.e. physical intimacy for Kim and Ron is not an end but a means.
Some other observations on the topic:
Based on the limited physical activity we've seen on the show, Kim is the one who initiates things. This is true from AVPC and the mistletoe kiss right to the loving pecks on the cheek we see S4 -- a line that is drawn right through the smoking hot kiss of So The Drama. I would see this balancing out as Ron's confidence within the relationship grows. Kim is clearly attracted to Confident Ron (just look at the dreamy looks she gives him in Odds Man In after he comes to save the day).
I don't see peer pressure playing much of a role in Kim's decisions regarding how far she's willing to go with Ron. The fact that she's still happily dating Ron months after So The Drama shows she's either grown immune to peer pressure or that the overwhelming majority of her peers have grown to accept, even approve, of her being with Ron. Kim's going to fool around with her BF on her own terms. As for Ron, the boy still seems amazed that Kim is dating him, which should put a brake on his rampaging teen hormones. This may change as time goes on: We've just seen two episodes in which he's kicked butt and Kim's been there to see the results which may encourage Ron to become Ron Stepubbable in a whole new way ...
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Post by ninjanaco on Apr 30, 2007 7:06:31 GMT -5
I don't agree with that NinjaNaco. I don't think that proves anything about kim/monique. My point exactly. There is no Kim/Monique in those screenshots, just like their was no "shippiness"/"fondling" in the screenshots cloud posted.
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Post by slicknickshady on Apr 30, 2007 9:39:40 GMT -5
I don't agree with that NinjaNaco. I don't think that proves anything about kim/monique. My point exactly. There is no Kim/Monique in those screenshots, just like their was no "shippiness"/"fondling" in the screenshots cloud posted. Cloud was just saying how they acted in those caps could be used as a reference to how they would react when they do make out. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that it does nothing (good or bad) for your argument when you bring in an outside authority that doesn't need to be called upon. It's like trying to swat a fly with a Buick if you pull out the big guns so early. It's just unneccessary. I just don't think you can Ignore what "THE CREATORS" say and you can't ignore what "THE WRITERS" put in there episodes. That's just me. When "THE CREATORS" say Kim/Ron will be together forever and never break up and "THE WRITERS" say Kim/Ron are Destiny. You are right and you can't say kim/ron are having sex. The thing is if you are together forever and will never break up you know they will get married and have sex eventually. I read into things also. I tend to only read into things when it's canon though. That's where we differ.
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Apr 30, 2007 9:42:24 GMT -5
I love how people get so bent out of shape by screencaps being used out of context.
And I thought I was weird for believing everyone is out to get me.
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Post by MrDrP on Apr 30, 2007 9:54:52 GMT -5
I love how people get so bent out of shape by screencaps being used out of context. And I thought I was weird for believing everyone is out to get me. Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean everyone isn't out to get you ...
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Post by beeftony on Apr 30, 2007 11:54:16 GMT -5
I just don't think you can Ignore what "THE CREATORS" say and you can't ignore what "THE WRITERS" put in there episodes. That's just me. When "THE CREATORS" say Kim/Ron will be together forever and never break up and "THE WRITERS" say Kim/Ron are Destiny. Did I say you were wrong? I know they said that. But what does it add to your argument? It seems to me like you only feel the need to bring that up because you can't think of any good reasons to support your claims and thus bring in someone that no one would ever dare challenge on the characters (since they created them), thus ending the discussion before it can truly begin. That's the biggest problem I have with your posts. It seems to me that you go into a discussion seeking to squash any viewpoints that conflict with your own instead of hearing the other side out and then respectfully disagreeing. People will be more likely to listen to you if you respect their right to have an opinion, even if it's an opinion you may not necessarily agree with. That's the difference between a well-reasoned debate and an argument that leads nowhere.
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Post by gummi112 on Apr 30, 2007 11:55:55 GMT -5
And Ron is heading towards home and Dr Stoppable comes in for the stop. What are the bases anyway? Assuming these are the bases. 1st Base = Kiss (They allready do this) 2nd Base = Make Out (They allready do this, i believe this is safe to assume) 3rd Base: Feeling each other up (No idea. Tough to judge. We don't have much info on kim/rons viewpoints on this. I would say no sooner then college though) Home = Sex (No idea. Tough to judge. We don't have much info on kim/rons viewpoints on this. I would say no sooner then college though) yeah i gotta agree wif u loleh! 1st base- kiss std! and kiss on the cheek-tonns of times! 2nd base-make out-probabbly-most likely theve been goin out 4 agggggggggeeeeeeeeessssss!!!!!!!!so yea probabbly 3rd base-make out-mmmmm i dunno maybe maybe not hard loleh!Id say maybe home run-sex-I dont think do probabbly after gradguation somtime during collage...maybe lol Thats it from me folks join me next time on *theme comes on* the gummi show!!!!!!!!
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Apr 30, 2007 13:14:55 GMT -5
I love how people get so bent out of shape by screencaps being used out of context. And I thought I was weird for believing everyone is out to get me. Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean everyone isn't out to get you ... Why? What do you know? Are you joking with me?
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Post by slicknickshady on Apr 30, 2007 13:20:03 GMT -5
I just don't think you can Ignore what "THE CREATORS" say and you can't ignore what "THE WRITERS" put in there episodes. That's just me. When "THE CREATORS" say Kim/Ron will be together forever and never break up and "THE WRITERS" say Kim/Ron are Destiny. Did I say you were wrong? I know they said that. But what does it add to your argument? It seems to me like you only feel the need to bring that up because you can't think of any good reasons to support your claims and thus bring in someone that no one would ever dare challenge on the characters (since they created them), thus ending the discussion before it can truly begin. That's the biggest problem I have with your posts. It seems to me that you go into a discussion seeking to squash any viewpoints that conflict with your own instead of hearing the other side out and then respectfully disagreeing. People will be more likely to listen to you if you respect their right to have an opinion, even if it's an opinion you may not necessarily agree with. That's the difference between a well-reasoned debate and an argument that leads nowhere. Just as good of an argument. Since when can't you post facts to support your position? That's all i'm doing. It's easier to do this then go on an all out rant. Just what i feel. I have spent to much time and energy debating things that just get nowhere. It's a lot easier not to get into debates.
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Post by beeftony on Apr 30, 2007 15:37:18 GMT -5
Just as good of an argument. Since when can't you post facts to support your position? That's all i'm doing. It's easier to do this then go on an all out rant. Just what i feel. I have spent to much time and energy debating things that just get nowhere. It's a lot easier not to get into debates. The only problem is that it's not an argument at all. It's an Appeal to Misleading Authority. Again, I'm not saying you're wrong, merely that it doesn't add anything to your argument. It's a logical fallacy, or error in reasoning. If you're too lazy to get into an all out debate, DON'T GET INVOLVED. I for one would like to have a discussion without you constantly trying to cut it short. If you're not looking to get into a debate, don't post. But if you do post, expect others to reply and be prepared to defend your position.
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Post by slicknickshady on Apr 30, 2007 15:44:23 GMT -5
My position is Bob and Mark Invented the Show. What they say is TRUTH or as that site says "Authority A believes that P is true. Therefore, P is true."
TPTB are AUTHORITY therefore i don't see it as a weak argument or falicy. Without the creators Kim Possible would not exist. If the creators say it, It's the truth. That's just how i feel. You don't have to like it. Without Bob and Mark + The Writers KP would not exist.
Fallacy seems like a word created just to dispute facts. This is not on topic though dude. This is not a thread to discuss this. This has nothing to do with Kim/Ron being Intimate.
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