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Post by Ot@ru on Sept 20, 2007 22:33:12 GMT -5
Kim: You and me... on a date?! Ron: It could happen. I mean, you know, not that we would, you know. Now...
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Post by AvinashTyagi on Sept 20, 2007 22:53:19 GMT -5
Kim: BOYFRIEND?! *laughs* Ron: Oh ho, that wasn't painful at all
Ironically it was only Bonnie who acknowledged they were dating, everyone else seemed either disbelieving of them dating or dismissed it as unimportant
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Post by MrDrP on Sept 21, 2007 7:30:55 GMT -5
As long as we're quoting from Clean Slate, let's hear what Kim has to say when she has all of her memories and isn't eating flowers ... Kim: Ron, I remember that you're my boyfriend and I think I love you!
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Post by mike on Sept 21, 2007 8:37:40 GMT -5
As long as we're quoting from Clean Slate, let's hear what Kim has to say when she has all of her memories and isn't eating flowers ... Kim: Ron, I remember that you're my boyfriend and I think I love you! Ron: For real? Kim: For real!!! /* awww that's so sweet ;D */
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Post by MrDrP on Sept 21, 2007 11:54:56 GMT -5
As long as we're quoting from Clean Slate, let's hear what Kim has to say when she has all of her memories and isn't eating flowers ... Kim: Ron, I remember that you're my boyfriend and I think I love you! Ron: For real? Kim: For real!!! /* awww that's so sweet ;D */ For some reason, people who want to use the "I think I love you!" quote to suggest Kim doesn't really love Ron always forget the "For real? For Real!" exchange.
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Post by wcreaf on Sept 21, 2007 12:12:44 GMT -5
It's the "I think" part that's used against it. It's not a definite statement and the fact that it followed a montage of Ron loosing his pants didn't help matters.
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Post by AvinashTyagi on Sept 21, 2007 12:30:01 GMT -5
Ron: For real? Kim: For real!!! /* awww that's so sweet ;D */ For some reason, people who want to use the "I think I love you!" quote to suggest Kim doesn't really love Ron always forget the "For real? For Real!" exchange. The problem lies in the fact that the for real could be in reference to her remembering him, not whether she loves him, that and the fact that she spent the entire episode basically saying that there was no way she could believe that she would be dating him or that she could love him, kind of leaves her saying "I think I love you" as very unsatisfying, leaves open the door that she doesn't actually love him, but just wants to make him feel better after basically putting him down the entrie episode.
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Post by yvj on Sept 21, 2007 12:35:47 GMT -5
For some reason, people who want to use the "I think I love you!" quote to suggest Kim doesn't really love Ron always forget the "For real? For Real!" exchange. The problem lies in the fact that the for real could be in reference to her remembering him, not whether she loves him, that and the fact that she spent the entire episode basically saying that there was no way she could believe that she would be dating him or that she could love him, kind of leaves her saying "I think I love you" as very unsatisfying, leaves open the door that she doesn't actually love him, but just wants to make him feel better after basically putting him down the entrie episode. How is that they case when the question was posed directly after She said "I think I love you" I can see that if you she said for real after he stated something like "You remember me?" Again the over analyzing question comes up. My thoughts "I think I love you" "For real?" Which personally I see as "Do you mean it?" in KP speak "For real" IMO means "Yes"
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Post by slicknickshady on Sept 21, 2007 12:54:42 GMT -5
Exactly YvJ. People that use the "I Think" are just grassping at straws when they say Kim did not mean it. They forget everything else.
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Post by MrDrP on Sept 21, 2007 13:14:03 GMT -5
For some reason, people who want to use the "I think I love you!" quote to suggest Kim doesn't really love Ron always forget the "For real? For Real!" exchange. The problem lies in the fact that the for real could be in reference to her remembering him, not whether she loves him, that and the fact that she spent the entire episode basically saying that there was no way she could believe that she would be dating him or that she could love him, kind of leaves her saying "I think I love you" as very unsatisfying, leaves open the door that she doesn't actually love him, but just wants to make him feel better after basically putting him down the entrie episode. Sure. And Kim's faking her enthusiasm when she looks at Ron adoringly and then embraces while she tells him how she feels. Obviously, a cover for her plan to dump Ron, whom she secretly detests. Sorry, but your revisionist misinterpretation is unconvincing.
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Post by MrDrP on Sept 21, 2007 13:18:52 GMT -5
It's the "I think" part that's used against it. It's not a definite statement and the fact that it followed a montage of Ron loosing his pants didn't help matters. Yes, but what's ignored are Kim's tone and facial expression, which clearly indicate enthusiasm over her realization, not doubt or hesitation. As for the pants montage, what's the problem? It served as a trigger to restore Kim's memory of why she gave him the belt -- the halfaversay, which she believed was an important milestone in her relationship with Ron.
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Post by TheRonPrincesS on Sept 21, 2007 13:19:14 GMT -5
Kim: You and me... on a date?! Ron: It could happen. I mean, you know, not that we would, you know. Now... Yeah that was so super.. xD Hejjj I love the Thread-Name!!! Justin Timberlake *-*
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Post by wcreaf on Sept 21, 2007 13:34:02 GMT -5
It's the "I think" part that's used against it. It's not a definite statement and the fact that it followed a montage of Ron loosing his pants didn't help matters. Yes, but what's ignored are Kim's tone and facial expression, which clearly indicate enthusiasm over her realization, not doubt or hesitation. As for the pants montage, what's the problem? It served as a trigger to restore Kim's memory of why she gave him the belt -- the halfaversay, which she believed was an important milestone in her relationship with Ron. The problem with the montage is that out of all the possible ways to show how Kim feels about Ron they chose a cheep old joke that says "Kim's most memorable experience with Ron is when he loses his pants". Not a good sign for a relationship.
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Post by yvj on Sept 21, 2007 13:38:08 GMT -5
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Post by MrDrP on Sept 21, 2007 13:49:21 GMT -5
Yes, but what's ignored are Kim's tone and facial expression, which clearly indicate enthusiasm over her realization, not doubt or hesitation. As for the pants montage, what's the problem? It served as a trigger to restore Kim's memory of why she gave him the belt -- the halfaversay, which she believed was an important milestone in her relationship with Ron. The problem with the montage is that out of all the possible ways to show how Kim feels about Ron they chose a cheep old joke that says "Kim's most memorable experience with Ron is when he loses his pants". Not a good sign for a relationship. Most of us have our equivalent of Ron's pants-losing problem: an embarrassing quirk or habit. I know I do, and I also know that it's one of the things that my wife finds endearing. To be frank, there was something very realistic about the montage and how it triggered Kim's feelings. You know you love someone when you can think about their foibles and have something good come of it.
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Post by mrmatt on Sept 21, 2007 17:01:29 GMT -5
Most of us have our equivalent of Ron's pants-losing problem: an embarrassing quirk or habit. I know I do, and I also know that it's one of the things that my wife finds endearing. To be frank, there was something very realistic about the montage and how it triggered Kim's feelings. You know you love someone when you can think about their foibles and have something good come of it. Well said, I basically felt that the "I think" was becasue they are high school seniors and Kim hasn't had that strong of an attachment to someone yet. Thus she is just recognizing that feeling/emostion love. I do wish they would have said they loved each other in graduation however.
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Post by juliechristine11 on Sept 21, 2007 17:59:39 GMT -5
Lets hope they are saving it for a big screen movie haha.
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Post by AvinashTyagi on Sept 21, 2007 19:07:06 GMT -5
The problem lies in the fact that the for real could be in reference to her remembering him, not whether she loves him, that and the fact that she spent the entire episode basically saying that there was no way she could believe that she would be dating him or that she could love him, kind of leaves her saying "I think I love you" as very unsatisfying, leaves open the door that she doesn't actually love him, but just wants to make him feel better after basically putting him down the entrie episode. How is that they case when the question was posed directly after She said "I think I love you" I can see that if you she said for real after he stated something like "You remember me?" Again the over analyzing question comes up. My thoughts "I think I love you" "For real?" Which personally I see as "Do you mean it?" in KP speak "For real" IMO means "Yes" Because she said it in one shot, she said that she remembered him and thinks she loved him in one go, now if she had been more direct in the first place i'd agree with you, but the way it was done leaves the door open, since it was ambiguous after everything that happened but the remebering part wasn't so the for real part seems to go with her remembering him part. No I remeber everything else, and her ambiguity after everything that happened in the episode is what leaves the uncertainty, the only thing that was certain was the part where she said she remebered him, so that's the one that the for real seems to fit with Never said she detested him, in fact I admit she likes him, but the question is whether she loves him, everything before she regained her memory indicated that she found it impossible to believe that she could love him, and then afterwards she is definite about her remembering him, but ambiguous on the love part, which seems to indicate that at most she only likes him, but that she was just trying to make him feel better for everything that happened in the episode.
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Post by MrDrP on Sept 21, 2007 19:25:38 GMT -5
Never said she detested him, in fact I admit she likes him, but the question is whether she loves him, everything before she regained her memory indicated that she found it impossible to believe that she could love him, and then afterwards she is definite about her remembering him, but ambiguous on the love part, which seems to indicate that at most she only likes him, but that she was just trying to make him feel better for everything that happened in the episode. There is no ambiguity to Kim's statement if it's understood as her realization of her love for Ron. Given the tone, facial expression, and context, it's abundantly clear that this is what is going on. The idea that she only likes him and is faking her delivery and essentially leading him reflects a very low and, I believe, unwarranted opinion of Kim. Now, since you're not going to convince me and I'm not going to convince you, why don't we let this rest?
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Post by Scoutcraft Piratess on Sept 21, 2007 19:29:40 GMT -5
I can't help but hear her tone. She sounded very affectionate. As has been said, her brain wasn't loopy and she's practical enough she's not going to make any definite assertions.
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