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Post by The Yetimonster on Sept 21, 2007 20:13:22 GMT -5
. The idea that she only likes him and is faking her delivery and essentially leading him reflects a very low and, I believe, unwarranted opinion of Kim. If you spent every moment obsessively defending every single thing Ron does in every thread to the point that it looks like some sort of bizarre man-crush while at the same time never ever cutting Kim a hint of slack, you'd have a low opinion of that little red-headed hussy too! I bet she isn't even really his friend! She just pretends to be one because she wants access to his awesome Zombie Mayhem collection! ~Click For Full Image See? They'd only hang out together in Steal Wheels because of Zombie Mayhem. It's fact from the show.
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Post by AvinashTyagi on Sept 21, 2007 20:25:48 GMT -5
Never said she detested him, in fact I admit she likes him, but the question is whether she loves him, everything before she regained her memory indicated that she found it impossible to believe that she could love him, and then afterwards she is definite about her remembering him, but ambiguous on the love part, which seems to indicate that at most she only likes him, but that she was just trying to make him feel better for everything that happened in the episode. There is no ambiguity to Kim's statement if it's understood as her realization of her love for Ron. Given the tone, facial expression, and context, it's abundantly clear that this is what is going on. The idea that she only likes him and is faking her delivery and essentially leading him reflects a very low and, I believe, unwarranted opinion of Kim. Now, since you're not going to convince me and I'm not going to convince you, why don't we let this rest? No actually it does come across as ambiguous even when taking into account her tone and herfacial expression, as those don't necessarily indicate anything more than affection, not love. As for her doing it for low reasons, not at all, she could be doing it to spare his feelings as he was feeling rather low after everything that happened in the episode, and seeme dto perk up after what she did say, manipulative perhaps, but with the intent to try and make him feel better perhaps, and she wasn't leading him on, as she never said she loved him, just that she thinks she loves him, as a result there is that little wiggle room if he calls her on it. Not at all, I point out the crummy stuff that Ron does, and I have cut Kim some slack, as I have admitted that she has improved in season four, you just dislike that i'm pointing out Kim's flaws, not everyone has to have the same opinion of her that you do
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Post by eddybob15 on Sept 21, 2007 20:33:39 GMT -5
Hey, if you guys want to settle this, then take it up with Steve. He's going to have a meeting with VIPs. You can have them end this bickering.
Now back on topic, I find it sweet that Kim and Ron are dating. Ever since I saw "A Sitch In Time", I felt there was more between them then friendship, even when Kim went on that date with Josh in "Blush". However, those thoughts disappeared when I saw "Emotion Sickness". Needless to say, "So The Drama" revived my view of their relationship.
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Post by MrDrP on Sept 21, 2007 20:36:17 GMT -5
No actually it does come across as ambiguous even when taking into account her tone and herfacial expression, as those don't necessarily indicate anything more than affection, not love. As I noted earlier, we're not going to convince one another. It comes across as ambiguous to you. It does not to me.
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Post by AvinashTyagi on Sept 21, 2007 20:36:52 GMT -5
Hey, if you guys want to settle this, then take it up with Steve. He's going to have a meeting with VIPs. You can have them end this bickering. Yeah that works, just ask him if she was being ambiguous or not, that will solve the issue
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Post by slicknickshady on Sept 21, 2007 22:53:45 GMT -5
Ambiguous?
Ok....
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Post by AvinashTyagi on Sept 21, 2007 23:42:10 GMT -5
am·big·u·ous (m-bgy-s) adj. 1. Open to more than one interpretation: an ambiguous reply. 2. Doubtful or uncertain: "The theatrical status of her frequently derided but constantly revived plays remained ambiguous" Frank Rich.Kim's response fits perfectly as it lacks certainty
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Post by slicknickshady on Sept 22, 2007 0:07:46 GMT -5
am·big·u·ous (m-bgy-s) adj. 1. Open to more than one interpretation: an ambiguous reply. 2. Doubtful or uncertain: "The theatrical status of her frequently derided but constantly revived plays remained ambiguous" Frank Rich.Kim's response fits perfectly as it lacks certainty I know what it means.
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Post by AvinashTyagi on Sept 22, 2007 0:14:10 GMT -5
am·big·u·ous (m-bgy-s) adj. 1. Open to more than one interpretation: an ambiguous reply. 2. Doubtful or uncertain: "The theatrical status of her frequently derided but constantly revived plays remained ambiguous" Frank Rich.Kim's response fits perfectly as it lacks certainty I know what it means. I know, I was teasing you
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Post by MrDrP on Sept 22, 2007 15:50:31 GMT -5
Steve Loter declined to answer the question I posed about this topic during the RS net chat. So, it's left for everyone to decide for themselves.
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Post by Alexlayer on Sept 22, 2007 16:03:08 GMT -5
Steve declined it, but didn't someone else answer it?
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Post by AvinashTyagi on Sept 22, 2007 16:30:41 GMT -5
It would've been nice if Kim had in graduation said that she loved him, like after he said that he couldn't live without her or something, it just leaves her feelings too ambiguous, you know she likes him, but whether she loves him is left up in the air
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Post by Scoutcraft Piratess on Sept 22, 2007 17:21:58 GMT -5
It looks like some people are just trying to take advantage of what a girl with amnesia said. Cut her a break. Actions speak louder than words.
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Post by Alexlayer on Sept 22, 2007 17:37:41 GMT -5
Seems like it was like that, after all. They decided to leave it open to interpretations.
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Post by slicknickshady on Sept 22, 2007 19:08:34 GMT -5
Steve declined it, but didn't someone else answer it? No other VIP from the show said anything. Serge is co-admin of the forum.
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Post by MrDrP on Sept 22, 2007 20:16:08 GMT -5
It would've been nice if Kim had in graduation said that she loved him, like after he said that he couldn't live without her or something, it just leaves her feelings too ambiguous, you know she likes him, but whether she loves him is left up in the air The intensity of Kim's feelings for Ron were evident throughout the episode. It was very clear to this viewer that Kim is very invested in her relationship with Ron. And, while I know Avinash will deny this, Kim's comment to Nana that it's "awful to be away from someone you love" was clearly hinting at her fears about be apart from Ron and foreshadowing her abduction. So, for you the question of whether Kim loves Ron is up in the air. For me, it's not. Kim clearly loves Ron.
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Post by AvinashTyagi on Sept 22, 2007 21:42:35 GMT -5
It would've been nice if Kim had in graduation said that she loved him, like after he said that he couldn't live without her or something, it just leaves her feelings too ambiguous, you know she likes him, but whether she loves him is left up in the air The intensity of Kim's feelings for Ron were evident throughout the episode. It was very clear to this viewer that Kim is very invested in her relationship with Ron. And, while I know Avinash will deny this, Kim's comment to Nana that it's "awful to be away from someone you love" was clearly hinting at her fears about be apart from Ron and foreshadowing her abduction. So, for you the question of whether Kim loves Ron is up in the air. For me, it's not. Kim clearly loves Ron. Not really, sure its clear she cares for him, but nothing about her being in love with him, the being away from someone you love comment just seems like she was worried about going away in the future to some college from her family, but not necessarily about Ron, as I said it leaves it up in the air, which is why the confirmation was needed
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Post by NewSkool101 on Sept 22, 2007 22:49:21 GMT -5
It would've been nice if Kim had in graduation said that she loved him, like after he said that he couldn't live without her or something, it just leaves her feelings too ambiguous, you know she likes him, but whether she loves him is left up in the air The intensity of Kim's feelings for Ron were evident throughout the episode. It was very clear to this viewer that Kim is very invested in her relationship with Ron. And, while I know Avinash will deny this, Kim's comment to Nana that it's "awful to be away from someone you love" was clearly hinting at her fears about be apart from Ron and foreshadowing her abduction. So, for you the question of whether Kim loves Ron is up in the air. For me, it's not. Kim clearly loves Ron. I thought it was Nana who said that... Ehh, my memory sucks... Anyways, I don't think the issue here is whether or not Kim loves Ron. We pretty much KNOW (at least some of us) she loves him, but the question I want to know is, does SHE know she loves him? She knows that she cares a lot about Ron and wants to be with him, but does she look at him and go, "Yeah, he's 'the one'?" We should take into account that these are still teenagers we're talking about, and rarely do teenagers fully understand 'true love' when they find it. So to me, the "I think I love you" in Clean Slate was more genuine and believable than "I love you" would have been in that situation. But of course, that's just my perspective. I'm sure there will be some who disagree. *awaits disagreements*
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Post by yvj on Sept 22, 2007 22:52:54 GMT -5
The intensity of Kim's feelings for Ron were evident throughout the episode. It was very clear to this viewer that Kim is very invested in her relationship with Ron. And, while I know Avinash will deny this, Kim's comment to Nana that it's "awful to be away from someone you love" was clearly hinting at her fears about be apart from Ron and foreshadowing her abduction. So, for you the question of whether Kim loves Ron is up in the air. For me, it's not. Kim clearly loves Ron. I thought it was Nana who said that... Ehh, my memory sucks... Anyways, I don't think the issue here is whether or not Kim loves Ron. We pretty much KNOW (at least some of us) she loves him, but the question I want to know is, does SHE know she loves him? She knows that she cares a lot about Ron and wants to be with him, but does she look at him and go, "Yeah, he's 'the one'?" We should take into account that these are still teenagers we're talking about, and rarely do teenagers fully understand 'true love' when they find it. So to me, "I think I love you" was more genuine and believable in that situation than "I love you" would have been. But of course, that's just my perspective. I'm sure there will be some who disagree. *awaits disagreements* ;D Good post. I agree with most of it
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Post by NewSkool101 on Sept 22, 2007 23:02:27 GMT -5
I thought it was Nana who said that... Ehh, my memory sucks... Anyways, I don't think the issue here is whether or not Kim loves Ron. We pretty much KNOW (at least some of us) she loves him, but the question I want to know is, does SHE know she loves him? She knows that she cares a lot about Ron and wants to be with him, but does she look at him and go, "Yeah, he's 'the one'?" We should take into account that these are still teenagers we're talking about, and rarely do teenagers fully understand 'true love' when they find it. So to me, "I think I love you" was more genuine and believable in that situation than "I love you" would have been. But of course, that's just my perspective. I'm sure there will be some who disagree. *awaits disagreements* ;D Good post. I agree with most of it Oh. Well, um...thanks. ... It's not quite as fun when people agree...
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