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Post by mike on Oct 1, 2007 10:01:26 GMT -5
I'm not assuming anything, yet I'm surprised you keep on assuming that I did. It doesn't matter what was the "For real" was about, it doesn't matter what Ron was asking about. I'm not assuming that she was serious, it is an observable fact. Kim's tone is indeed serious since, Ron changed his playful tone when he said "Now, this is a memory" which was a reply to Kim's answer "For Real" which is also serious. And since both the tone of voice Kim used for the "For Real" and the sentence "I think I love you" was the same affirms and the "For Real" was serious, hence the sentence is also serious. No because both could have been playful or manipulative, or serious, or casual, or affectionate or any other emotion possible, you just assume that its one or the other because you want it to be one way. You're also basing Kim's meaning on Ron, who isn't the most perceptive guy out there, so even if he assumes one thing does not prove her meaning. It is not playful nor manipulative. It is not casual because the tone was deep, quick and clear. Affectionate is a lot better that serious. Regardless which part was she referring because within the remembering part is also lies their relationship.
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Post by AvinashTyagi on Oct 1, 2007 10:06:48 GMT -5
That is your opinion, however I disagree.
Yes, but then it leaves the "I think I love you" comment ambiguous and uncertain, since there is no confirmation of her feelings.
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Post by mike on Oct 1, 2007 10:09:34 GMT -5
Okay, suit yourself, at least I know I'm not the one behind observable facts.
One should know what is fact and what is fiction, the problem arises when they like to see fiction over what is the fact
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Post by dracko19 on Oct 4, 2007 18:51:19 GMT -5
Guess what? You're both making assumption and you've both provided good arguments that show that either interpretation could be valid...and ultimately you keep coming back to square one. It's a draw. Let it go. And Avash, how about noting the bit in Dracko's earlier post that you DON'T have to have the last wordon ever single issue? He wasn't just talking about the kiss issue. You aren't making any friends here, and if you expect everyone to suddenly bow down and acknowledge you as the Ultimate And Final Authority On All Motivations of Characters In a Children's Cartoon Series, you ain't gettin' it. Yeah, I'm attacking you. Deal with it. You come off as a pompous egotistical snob and your little comments about "trying to be humble but Lord knows it's hard" and "Inspiring others to greatness" aren't funny, but just seem to reinforce that you are an egotistical snob. So, if you're so convinced you are always right, why not just shut up and let us heathens go about our delusions in peace? --Erin M. Note to the Mods: I fully accept any disciplinary actions that this post may warrant. I simply could not stand by and let this snob spew on and on and on anymore without saying something. OK. You got it. Warning issued. I wouldn't make a haibt of this type of activity if you wish to continue your membership.
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Post by lecter on Oct 12, 2007 14:31:35 GMT -5
ok. time to say what i think. in clean slate kim said i think i love you because even though we are all obsessive adult or teenaged fans, the show's main target are lillte kids. if kim had said i love you it would have been to mushy for me( i KNOW the love each other. BOB AND MARK SAID SO,FOLKS.) this is a show about action,adventure, COMEDY and sometimes romance. its good that the kimronnes was not overdone. the show their affectione in every episode of season four, but in a way that little kids can watch to. kids wanna see kim kick butt,not a teen drama about "do i love him or not", "i wanna kiss him/her" like the o.c. kim and ron are no different than any other disney couple( ariel and eric, jasmin and alladin, snow white and her prince, bell and beast). they love each other and they demonstate it (rearlly or not) and are going to live happilly ever after just like any disney couple. nuf said
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Post by DuoHimura on Oct 12, 2007 15:46:51 GMT -5
Okay, I may be beating a dead horse here, but 23 pages of debate on this would be extremely tiresome to read... though I guess I can't very well criticize people for reading too much into and then arguing over it since that actually seems to have sort of stopped. Still, I haven't -done- that much on this forum, so may as well add my two cents.
So on the "I think I love you," thing... consider the circumstances. I mean, if it were really possible to lose one's memories and then suddenly recover them all at once (which isn't how amnesia really -works-, as I understand it, though I admit that's just things that I've heard, if from somewhat reliable sources) I think anyone would be the slightest bit disoriented immediately afterwards. So, you know, I think a little uncertainty in a statement like "I love you" given that is fairly understandable, whether or not Kim is actually uncertain regarding her feelings for Ron (-also- understandable as a high school student). I mean, there -is- that whole romantic love versus friend/family love question, so Kim not being 100% positive works for me, even if that is what's supposed to be implied there.
To be fair, the fact that she spent the episode not buying that she and Ron were actually dating probably is more of a negative sign as opposed to the "I think" line. But KP is absolutely a comedy first, romance second (well, maybe action second and romance third but the action bit isn't relevant... and even then it's only romantic in the fourth season and a tiny bit elsewhere), and it -was- pretty amusing, so I wouldn't really be inclined to go looking for much else. KP thrives on being generally silly, so any sort of deep, psychological analysis is reading way too much into things if you ask me... But then, I think this fandom does a -lot- that's not in the real spirit of the show... not that that's necessarily bad, but you know... it's just not what I'm interested in the characters and the show for.
Come to think of it, OMG TRUE LOVE overcoming some sort of insanity or memory loss or whatever is somewhat tired... maybe that's -why- those events in KP are always handled by Ron losing his pants (as in Emotion Sickness).
My biggest issue with Clean Slate (other than the fact that, next to Tsubasa almost every use of amnesia comes up lacking in my book)?
... Why do they GIVE the fandom this stuff? WHY?! Have the writers -seen- DeviantArt? Though that exchange is admittedly awesome...
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Post by Redquill on Oct 12, 2007 17:04:45 GMT -5
The problem with the montage is that out of all the possible ways to show how Kim feels about Ron they chose a cheep old joke that says "Kim's most memorable experience with Ron is when he loses his pants". Not a good sign for a relationship.
The point that is being missed here is what triggers a memory. Anything from a rainy day, a toy, or even a telephone #, can bring back a memory. I saw an unrelated photo the other day that reminded me of something I forgot back in High School. The thing about the pants is not to show her feelings for Ron, but to trigger that final part of her memory that was missing. If you remember, before the montage, her comment was "Good job, but that's not why I gave you the belt". Although "cheesy" It is a key element to their relationship that dates back to LOOOOONG before they even considered being a romantic couple. It is an engraved part of her memory of RON.
And to add to the "I THINK I love you" commentary, I believe Kim says this because her memory is still catching up to reality. She is hesitant only because her thoughts are scrambling to decide why she loves this guy. Look at how she holds Ron, when he asks "For Real?" Realization is finally set in place and she replies with conviction "FOR REAL!" and throws her arms around him.
To paraphrase Ron, "Now THAT is a memory" ;D
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Post by slicknickshady on Nov 11, 2008 11:20:34 GMT -5
It also took twelves years for Ron to figure it out as well. So it wasn't love at first sight, doesn't make it any less meaningful. This post does help me with some of the recent troubles i'm having again with so the drama. Both Kim & Ron had thought about each other in that fashion but both came to the conclusion that either.... Kim would not feel the same way. or Ron is not interested in being my boyfriend, he's more concerned with nachos. With quotes like "It took 12 stinkin years to kiss me." With how Kim act's in "Steel Wheels" and "Gorilila Fist". It's clear to me that even before the ending of std kim and ron thought they were the ones for each other but they were afraid to take the risk.
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Post by Commander Argus on Nov 11, 2008 12:09:32 GMT -5
The fact they had to learn things and grow in STD makes their relationship even stronger and more meaningful.
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Post by slicknickshady on Nov 11, 2008 12:48:03 GMT -5
The fact they had to learn things and grow in STD makes their relationship even stronger and more meaningful. I can see that totally. It maybe took the events in STD to push Kim & Ron into a relationship. I firmly believe they would have got in a relationship eventually but it wouldnt have been anytime soon without the events of STD. It forced them to confront there feeling for each other sooner rather than later. That's the good I take out of it. By the way.. Thanks Argus..You are a great guy...You have a great way with words. I appreciate you trying to help me out. More than that, You're kissing your best friend for 13 years, your lover for one year, someone you professed that you love them, some one who said, I can't live with out you in return. A couple, who's creators said, they created with full intention for them to wind up together. Is it really that hard to believe that the two, just maybe, are in love? This is a great post......It's a really old post...but great none the less.... Nothing like going through old K/R threads and finding more hidden gems like this post. You said it beautifully. By the way also want to give another shout out to Mr. Dr. P for his gems in this thread as well. What he said about...If Ron came out sooner about his feelings Kim would have been all his then...I mean we see how posessive Kim is with Ron in season 4.... Big Bother: "You know....Mine" Graduation: "MY RON"
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