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Post by apoptosis on Jan 28, 2006 3:43:46 GMT -5
This idea was spurred by the "Making Kigo Work" thread in the fanfiction section, where one of the things I noticed was discussion on Shego's exact...alignment, I guess you could call it.
One thing I know that I like to use in my stories is the prospect of Shego redeeming herself, thus setting the stage for any Kigo interactions to occur, as they certainly aren't going to occur when the two gals are at odds with each other. But how realistic is this?
Is Shego really evil? Or is she perhaps just bad? Is there a difference between her being evil and bad? If she's evil, is she Sauron evil? Darth Vader evil? (Even HE redeemed himself though) Satan evil? Can there be varying levels of evil for Shego? If Drakken is the mastermind of the world domination plots, is he more evil than Shego? Is she Kim's enemy? Nemesis? Rival? Is there a difference between the three?
Anyways, I would love to hear your opinions on the matter, and I've tried to make a poll too - though I admit; I'm bad at making polls, so I hope it works, and the answers are clear.
I personally think Shego is pretty bad, but does have a chance of redemption, if circumstances pushed her towards it. I don't think she's totally lost.
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Post by RavenStar on Jan 28, 2006 4:10:42 GMT -5
You know she secretly has a Lhasa Apso puppy at home and sleeps with a teddy bear Pandaroo...
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Post by surforst on Jan 28, 2006 4:44:38 GMT -5
She enjoys evil and likes to hurt/kill people. Has she killed yet? I'd say yes considering how easy it is for her to try and kill Kimmie. I'd put her below 'killing the Jews/slavery' level of evil and somewhere around Emperor from Star Wars. Power hunger, likes to wipe things out, but not really out to kill of any segment of humanity. She's not discriminating when it comes down to her evil and I respect that.
As for redeeming as a Christian I have to believe there always a chance. Could be her walking along the street one day and seeing a balloon float by will do it for her. Odder things have happened after all. Though Uncle Sam will kill her as soon as they find her. I'm sorry I can't believe the US would not try to eliminate her and Kimmie if she associates with Shego. That doesn't make our government evil mind you after all Shego is a terrorist and if Kimmie helps her she's no better. That's the world of Kigo my friends making Kimmie a terrorist in the eyes of her own government. Global Justice though would accept the bribe to look elsewhere right before they cut off Kimmie head to appease their terrorist friends. Darn Global Justice!
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Post by RavenStar on Jan 28, 2006 4:50:39 GMT -5
Excuse me, surforst - Does this thread say anything having about Kigo in it? No. Is the fact that two known Kigo shippers have the first posts in this thread immediately make it a Kigo thread? NO. Do we harp on you like this for liking Kim/Ron? Some idiotic Kigo shippers will, yeah. But have we? NO. Were you being sarcastic with that last bit of your reply? I sure as hell hope you were. Otherwise, lay off already and have some respect for somebody else's opinions.
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Post by apoptosis on Jan 28, 2006 5:01:24 GMT -5
She enjoys evil and likes to hurt/kill people. Has she killed yet? I'd say yes considering how easy it is for her to try and kill Kimmie. I'd put her below 'killing the Jews/slavery' level of evil and somewhere around Emperor from Star Wars. Power hunger, likes to wipe things out, but not really out to kill of any segment of humanity. She's not discriminating when it comes down to her evil and I respect that. But in terms of the show, we've seen no evidence that Shego has killed anyone, no? We know that both she and Kim are more than capable of taking a life, but I don't recall any instance where they have actually done so. If Shego has such a disregard for life, why hasn't she killed every guard she's had to face? Usually, she knocks them out with a well-aimed punch or kick, or sometimes with a small plasma jolt to the head. She is more than able to kill them completely, with hardly any extra effort expended on her part - but why not? Shego deserve the death penalty? And Kim if Kim associates with Shego? I find the latter highly implausible. And in Kim's world, like how there are no guns, I don't think the death penalty would exist either. Life in jail more likely, IMO. As for Kigo, you could turn the tables the other way, and have Shego redeem herself. Or, you are right, Kim could turn dark (more implausible than Shego turning good, IMO), and that would make for a very dark Kigo fic. Personally, I think you're pinning Shego into a black and white world. Wasn't Shego a hero before? Is it THAT impossible for her to regain that sense of actually wanting to help? EDIT: But yes, RavenStar is right; I had intended this thread to be about Shego, and your perceptions on her morality (or lackthereof) - not Kigo. I just mentioned Kigo as more of a background thing than anything else.
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Post by surforst on Jan 28, 2006 5:17:52 GMT -5
This idea was spurred by the "Making Kigo Work" thread in the fanfiction section, where one of the things I noticed was discussion on Shego's exact...alignment, I guess you could call it. One thing I know that I like to use in my stories is the prospect of Shego redeeming herself, thus setting the stage for any Kigo interactions to occur, as they certainly aren't going to occur when the two gals are at odds with each other. But how realistic is this? In my defense you brought it up first. I apologize just something that was on my head. Disregard the Kigo statements if you want but I stand by the rest. Like it or not that's the way I view Shego. Way I view the world is usually to place things in Black and White first and then work from there. Adding in too many shades complicate matters too quickly. As for Shego turning good it's possible I never said it wasn't. Now here the thing just imagine Hitler(more evil then Shego by far I agree mind you) turned good at the end of WWII. Do you think the allies would have said 'It's all good chap' and let him walk away or do you think Hitler would have been swinging from a rope like the rest of his scum. Is Shego a terrorist? Yes she steals, she tries to conquer the planet, and she doesn't hesitate to enslave or endanger people at the same times. Has she killed? Don't know don't care. She's willing to try it with Kimmie and that's enough for me. If I lived in Kimmie world and was in charge (God forbid!) I'd have killed her and Drakken a while back. Then again I view things with a more military mind set so there you go. I like to eliminate my enemies not reform them. Sorry if you disagree but that's me in a nut shell.
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Post by RavenStar on Jan 28, 2006 5:30:22 GMT -5
Now here the thing just imagine Hitler(more evil then Shego by far I agree mind you) turned good at the end of WWII. Do you think the allies would have said 'It's all good chap' and let him walk away or do you think Hitler would have been swinging from a rope like the rest of his scum. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_LawAnyway, back to the topic at hand: I don't see Shego as evil. Why? Simple, really: Is she a politician?
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Post by surforst on Jan 28, 2006 5:37:36 GMT -5
First off I'm not saying Shego is Hitler like. Shego is evil while Hitler was crazy evil. Big difference. The reason I used Hitler was to address the crazy notion that the US would let live after this. Another comparison would be Bin Laden. Do you think that the US would ever let this guy go on to live a peaceful life. Bin Laden will be hunted till we either catch him, kill him, or he turns into dust on his own. Those are the only options. Again Shego isn't Bin Laden after all he is another example of crazy evil. As for your argument that Shego is not evil I fail to see one. 'Simply, really' Can you explain this? As for her being a politician that is just plain absurd. I fail to see how you can make that connection and if you could enlighten me on why you would I'd be most interested. After all I'm always willing to sit down and see what others think.
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Post by RavenStar on Jan 28, 2006 5:39:39 GMT -5
Uh...my last comment was intended as a sarcastic joke.
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Jan 28, 2006 7:13:01 GMT -5
I say, Pretty darn bad. Small chance of redemption. She's got one name and that name strikes fears into the hearts of the good. Like Voldemort and the emperor and all that.
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Post by apoptosis on Jan 28, 2006 11:53:37 GMT -5
This idea was spurred by the "Making Kigo Work" thread in the fanfiction section, where one of the things I noticed was discussion on Shego's exact...alignment, I guess you could call it. One thing I know that I like to use in my stories is the prospect of Shego redeeming herself, thus setting the stage for any Kigo interactions to occur, as they certainly aren't going to occur when the two gals are at odds with each other. But how realistic is this? In my defense you brought it up first. I apologize just something that was on my head. Disregard the Kigo statements if you want but I stand by the rest. Like it or not that's the way I view Shego. Yes, I did mention Kigo but I believe it was very clear while there was mention of that ship, this thread would NOT be solely for debating it, or knocking it down. The entire latter bit of the post was concerning Shego's morality, and your opinions on it. If you were to post a question asking something like "I'm writing a K/R story, and religion will come up in it later, and we know that Ron is Jewish. But how orthodox is he, do you think? Does he know Hebrew? And has it been established at what religion Kim is?" I wouldn't reply and say, "Eww, Kim dating Ron? Never gonna happen in MY imagination, friend." I would recognize that while there was prior mention of K/R, the thread didn't automatically become a K/R thread - instead, it was a thread asking for a clarification of a bit of trivia on the show, and further opinions. The problem I have with this though, is that rarely does anything fall neatly into two distinct black and white categories. There's a tiny bit of white, a tiny bit of black, and a whole lot of varying gray tones - much like a bell curve. Yes, but remember that the KP universe is different than our own. In our own world, had Shego been caught (there have been many instances of her in jail in the KP world), she would have been put to death immediately. But in the KP world, she just sits in jail, is forced to listen to SSJ's singing, and we assume eventually breaks out. Also, in the KP universe, there are no guns. Lasers, yes. Genetically altered attack animals, yes. Time machines, yes. Mystical monkey powers, yes. Guns, no. So, if there are no guns in the KP world, I'm doubting there's a death penalty. I would think more along the lines of life sentence. You don't need to apologize for having an opinion.
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Post by zaratan on Jan 28, 2006 12:49:29 GMT -5
Do I think Shego is bad? Hell yeah, but she is redeemable if she decides to go that route, given enough incentive. She was once a hero, and something must have happened to her to make her that way. People aren't just born evil.
As for the US government, if they saw some chance to use her for their own ends, they would do it in a heartbeat. Same with Drakken. You don't burn up usable assets if you can put them to use for you. If Shego was given a choice between the chair and working for the government, you know she wouldn't think twice about that!
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Post by Scoutcraft Piratess on Jan 28, 2006 17:00:44 GMT -5
I just don't like the term "redeemable" for Shego. It makes it sound like her wickedness is a negative thing, yet it is her very evil that makes her so delightfully Shego. I don't want her to be redeemed. 'Sides, it all depends on how you're defining evil. She's naughty, not "Hitler" as you have been saying it.
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Post by Aers (That Writer Chick) on Jan 28, 2006 20:48:45 GMT -5
you know, I don't really know... but I *do* think that Shego is lazzzzzzzzzy... I mean, she could easily be a villainess on her own without Drakken or any other boss lording it over her - but she continues to play the sidekick and even that she does barely enough to keep Drakken happy. Heck, most of the time we see her reading, listening to her iPod and doing her nails! she could be evil but I think she'd rather sleep in and stay up late watching old movies.
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Jan 28, 2006 20:53:29 GMT -5
you know, I don't really know... but I *do* think that Shego is lazzzzzzzzzy... I mean, she could easily be a villainess on her own without Drakken or any other boss lording it over her - but she continues to play the sidekick and even that she does barely enough to keep Drakken happy. Heck, most of the time we see her reading, listening to her iPod and doing her nails! she could be evil but I think she'd rather sleep in and stay up late watching old movies. Hey, I like to sleep in and stay up watching old movies too... kind of.. ;D Hmm... I wonder if Shego can sit through a classic like Gone With the Wind without wanting to murder Scarlett O'Hara. I know I can't and the book is one of my all time favorite books and the movie is my 5th favorite movie of all time. Okay, I'll shut up.
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Post by PossibleKim on Jan 28, 2006 21:33:05 GMT -5
Evil??? She not 1/4 evil compared to Dan Phantom
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Post by Alexlayer on Aug 3, 2008 18:11:52 GMT -5
Shego's a bad girl of the kind that does whatever she wants. BUT, since she has never shown any interest in killing people or actual sadism nor pure cruelty, but rather, JUST living like a rebel, I think she has high chances of redemption.
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Post by yvj on Aug 4, 2008 4:14:42 GMT -5
Shego's a bad girl of the kind that does whatever she wants. BUT, since she has never shown any interest in killing people or actual sadism nor pure cruelty Wow As long as we're throwing out biased statements let me say Ron is clearly the second strongest character in the show and if he had some serious focus he'd be a genius. Shego can be redeemed. but you make it sound like she'd be redeemed from being a purse snatcher. To say she was just a "bad girl" is beyond my understanding, and I think Shego herself would be insulted. Here are some examples. Car Alarm Motor Ed: Whoa Reds hitching a ride, Time to show her what this baby can do seriously. Shego: Finally.Motor Ed: I'm going to hit the big red button. Shego: This is what I’ve been waiting for, let’s go hypersonic.Motor Ed: Oh ho ho you know it. [glow=red,2,300] Shego: The shock wave will cause massive damage dooming the world to chaos. You are the man with the plan.[/glow] Motor Ed: What? Shego: the... the hypersonic blast. Your... your plan. Bad Boy: Shego: Yea, ok. What’s it do? Drakken: By turning this knob, it creates pulsating sonic pulses and with the proper mixture, it can really shake things up. Shego: So you can use it to? Drakken: That’s right Shego, to make the perfect glass of chocolate milk. Shego: You’re joking. Drakken: I never joke about cocomoo. Shego: Cocomoo? Drakken: its use are limitless. Pudding, cookie dough, foot massages. [glow=red,2,300] Shego: What about evil uses? You know, like maybe earthquakes?[/glow] [glow=red,2,300]Drakken: My cocomoo! Oh, I didn’t know it could be so violent. Some could get hurt.[/glow] [glow=red,2,300] Shego: Kinda the point, don’t you think?[/glow] A Sitch in time: [glow=red,2,300]FUTURE SHEGO: Well Kimmie, its been real. Erase them from history![/glow]She's not Hitler but if Shego isn't considered evil than NO VILLAIN in the Kim Possible universe is evil. According to the show Pre Graduation (speculation what she does after) Shego is most definitely evil.
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Post by Cody MacArthur Fett on Aug 4, 2008 10:10:56 GMT -5
She did seem to explode with pure ecstasy at the thought of committing genocide in several episodes. But . . . I like Shego and I'd really like to see her redeemed, and since I'm a writer I'm able to do that.
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Post by Alexlayer on Aug 4, 2008 11:19:41 GMT -5
Okay, yvj, just... what the heck is your point!?!? I never tried to say that Shego was some kind of lesser level of evil. "Bad girl" was just a generalization. There ARE some serious issues with her personality, and one of them is her passion for chaos (if she went back to being a hero, I could bet she'd love to explode villains' lairs), but bringing up the Supreme One is kinda... pointless, if you ask me. That was a far older and more evil Shego, corrupted over years of holding power. You can tell the way she acted wasn't like her usual self, like for example, not fighting for herself against Kim like she used to do. Overall, I just think the same thing you stated. Shego can be redeemed, period. The rest is for anyone to think differently. And while my opinion won't stop being my opinion, differing from you, I try to be less biased by looking at things from as many different angles I can find. Not just taking my favourite perspective as truth nor anything, so please stop accusing around, will you... And just 'cause I'm curious... As long as we're throwing out biased statements let me say Ron is clearly the second strongest character in the show and if he had some serious focus he'd be a genius. Second? Then who's first??
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