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Post by fieryfalcon on Feb 28, 2006 23:08:09 GMT -5
As long as there is proper character development there is nothing wrong with OOCness. I just like to see the OOCness build up gradually rather than just starting out one page one with unrecognizable characters.
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Post by Commander Argus on Mar 1, 2006 0:37:06 GMT -5
In my current long-form fic, Ron was forced to fight in an arena and he thought he was fighting a robot. It turned out once he won that it was a living being with funky bionics and he got really sick.
In an earlier fic, Kim got into a dogfight with a heavily armed fighter (her flyer had no arms) and in the end after they bailed, her flyer hit the enemy ship, destroying it, so in effect she did kill the guy, though not directly.
The point I'm at in "Heart of the Fury" Shego has come a long way from how she's portrayed in the series, but there are several good reasons for her change.
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Post by cloudmonet on Mar 1, 2006 1:00:20 GMT -5
I don't know— Some cocaine abuse might go a long way toward explaining the hopeless megalomania of some of the villains.
I've done guns. If Kim can dodge lasers, why not bullets? Of course you can't bounce 'em away with a mirror, but that blue antiexplosive foam works pretty good. What's that stuff? My explanation for why all the modern villains switched to lasers. The foam's a cheat? Well, in "Hotel Tropica" Kim and Ron left it on the plane, and spent the evening dodging bullets from a South American coke lord's henchmen. Never. never leave the antiexplosive foam on the plane.
I don't think this kind of stuff drives them out of character at all. You can give Kim and Ron situations they'd never encounter on the show. You just have to let them respond in a way Kim or Ron could plausibly respond.
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Post by RavenStar on Mar 1, 2006 1:21:35 GMT -5
I'd say the only truly OOC character I've had is Tara in Replacement - but I just wanted to see how people would react to her being evil, since she's always cited as the happiest of the Middleton cheerleaders...I will say that, yes, I've had a few characters acting slightly OOC - but of all those, they had legitimate reasons (Attitudinator for Evil!Mrs. Possible in Understudy), they were part of a long, gradual character development (Shego in Understudy, Kim as one of The Supreme Ones in So the Beyond), or I had the characters point the OOC moment out within the story (Kim wailing "Oh, I was so OOC!" after breaking off her and Ron's friendship with a highly OOC temper tantrum in Replacement).
You have to provide some solid reasoning for the OOCness if you're going to do it - I even came up with the idea that Evil!Tara in Replacement was fed up with always coming in 3rd, and somehow that led her to being evil, even though it was originally done just because I wanted to write Evil!Tara...
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Mar 1, 2006 8:27:23 GMT -5
You mean that story at AFF.net, don't you? Yeah... the new one, where Drakken is using his mind control shampoo I read the first chapter of that fic. I was horrified!  |
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Post by surforst on Mar 1, 2006 8:44:08 GMT -5
Well all characters are going to be slightly OOC no matter what. After all they react the way the author thinks they should react which may or may not agree with their actual creators opinion. To sum that up we all put a little of ourselves into the characters when we write them.
Anyway certain things can appear OOC to the extreme but not be. Fusions and AU stories are the best ones that come to mind. If you change Kim's past for example and take Ron out she's going to be a different person. A good author will write her change in such a way as to agree with cannon like making her an angry old scientist lady. Good old MrDrP always providing working examples. ;D
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Mar 1, 2006 8:52:10 GMT -5
Well all characters are going to be slightly OOC no matter what. After all they react the way the author thinks they should react which may or may not agree with their actual creators opinion. To sum that up we all put a little of ourselves into the characters when we write them. Anyway certain things can appear OOC to the extreme but not be. Fusions and AU stories are the best ones that come to mind. If you change Kim's past for example and take Ron out she's going to be a different person. A good author will write her change in such a way as to agree with cannon like making her an angry old scientist lady. Good old MrDrP always providing working examples. ;D Here here, surforst. And, the idea of changing Kim's past and taking Ron out just scared me. I mean, Kim wouldn't be the Kim we know at all. *is thinking philosophically* I'm okay, stuff like that freaks me out. |
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Post by Aers (That Writer Chick) on Mar 1, 2006 17:44:48 GMT -5
it's a slippery slope, that's true. that's why it's *very*hard to do good fusion/crossover stories and keep the essence of the original character... like us writers don't have ENOUGH challenges, eh?  |
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Mar 1, 2006 17:48:52 GMT -5
So, true, Aers. So incredibly true.
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Post by Pim Peccable on Mar 1, 2006 17:59:00 GMT -5
Well all characters are going to be slightly OOC no matter what. After all they react the way the author thinks they should react which may or may not agree with their actual creators opinion. To sum that up we all put a little of ourselves into the characters when we write them. Anyway certain things can appear OOC to the extreme but not be. Fusions and AU stories are the best ones that come to mind. If you change Kim's past for example and take Ron out she's going to be a different person. A good author will write her change in such a way as to agree with cannon like making her an angry old scientist lady. Good old MrDrP always providing working examples. ;D Here here, surforst. And, the idea of changing Kim's past and taking Ron out just scared me. I mean, Kim wouldn't be the Kim we know at all. *is thinking philosophically* I'm okay, stuff like that freaks me out. Philosophical mind-bending, ahhhhh. That's one reason I LOVED NB & DL! The other is that DrP has SUCH a good hold on those characters that they survive any such changes unscathed. Even when he twists them incredibly, the original character is still visible. |
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Post by Ezbok58a on Mar 1, 2006 19:09:23 GMT -5
it's a slippery slope, that's true. that's why it's *very*hard to do good fusion/crossover stories and keep the essence of the original character... like us writers don't have ENOUGH challenges, eh? It also depends on the fusion/crossover that's being tried. For example, the Resident Evil fusion KP story I'm doing. For the first half or so I have Kim and Ron as close to as they appear on the show (Kim's a little too lovey-dovey, and Ron's a little to aware but that's alright). But when the accident happens they have no idea what exactly they're going against, and once they have to fight off infected friends using their traditional means they get sick to their stomachs. Even when my OC shows up and saves them (and attempts to save them later on) They are both highly against what he's all about. If you know RE then you know it's mostly a gun using game, and KP and Ron are not gun people. So far I haven't had any people complain on Kim being OOC (with exception to the above) so I hope I pulled it off. |
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Post by dragonfang33 on Mar 2, 2006 0:01:20 GMT -5
Actually Crossovers/Fusions are my speciallty. In my Star Wars Crossovers I have a fully developed OC as the main character, yet I also retain some of Kim and Ron's main traits. However I also have done one thing I think many Crossover Writers never do, namely develope a detailed backstory for Kim, Ron, and my OC Kyle Wolf, as well as how Kim Possible the TV Show fits into the Star Wars Universe.
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Post by Mr. Dubois a.k.a IvyMae on Mar 2, 2006 2:48:36 GMT -5
I don't know— Some cocaine abuse might go a long way toward explaining the hopeless megalomania of some of the villains. and then there's some of us who can't write, but instead draw the charaters OOC *cough-coughRONCRACKWHOREcough-gough* ;p |
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Post by JuPMod on Mar 2, 2006 7:40:44 GMT -5
'OOC' is in the eye of the beholder. Some readers would see even a slight alteration as OCC, while others would see a big personality difference as likely for the chararcters to react.
To me, I enjoyed reading fics that closely resembles the show, yet I dig the great drama stories, etc. and to do drama, sometimes the characters may have to be somewhat OOC to fit the plot.
Remember, Disney is considered 'family' entertainment to many, and they will not ever tackle dramatic stories like death, drugs, war, and other topics. I've read some good stories revolving around these dark topics, and of course, I knew the characters would not ever been written like what I've read in the show.
So the way I see it is this. If a reader expect all KP fanfics to be exactly like the show, he/she will be disappointed. I only see a tiny small percentage would be like the show, while the rest have stories that Disney will not ever show in the KP series. And sometimes, the characters have to be a bit OOC to fit the plots.
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Post by fazhou on Mar 2, 2006 20:18:31 GMT -5
I agree, it's very much in the eye of the beholder. If, say, I had written and posted a story (before October 2004) about Kim getting planted with a device that would control her emotions, including acting like she was in love with Ron, the story would probably have gotten some severe OOC and out-of-canon knocks. But then lo and behold, "Emotion Sickness" hit the scene.
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Post by Commander Argus on Mar 2, 2006 20:52:34 GMT -5
It's too bloody hot for hot coco moo. Now a tall glass of cold Ovaltine...
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Post by fazhou on Mar 4, 2006 16:04:33 GMT -5
I don't know— Some cocaine abuse might go a long way toward explaining the hopeless megalomania of some of the villains. and then there's some of us who can't write, but instead draw the charaters OOC *cough-coughRONCRACKI can't think of anything to say.cough-gough* ;p For some reason, OOC fan art seems more accepted by fans than OOC fan fiction. Dunno, does it seem like that to you, too? |
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Mar 4, 2006 16:15:13 GMT -5
It does seem like that.
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Post by staredcraft on Mar 4, 2006 17:54:13 GMT -5
No, even if it was accident, it would still be OOC Wait now...if it's an accident like say Shego slips and slides off a roof, Kim tries to save her, and Shego's glove falls off. And Drakken's pod getting struck by lightning and he crashes.. I mean come on...that's more like show-out-of-character-ness than Character OOC but that's only because Disney would never do. Also I have Kim act very in character...she's devestated (given the way things happened). Now come on, if I keep the character IC and the event is OOS (Out of Show) to me |
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Post by staredcraft on Mar 4, 2006 17:54:43 GMT -5
'OOC' is in the eye of the beholder. Some readers would see even a slight alteration as OCC, while others would see a big personality difference as likely for the chararcters to react. To me, I enjoyed reading fics that closely resembles the show, yet I dig the great drama stories, etc. and to do drama, sometimes the characters may have to be somewhat OOC to fit the plot. Remember, Disney is considered 'family' entertainment to many, and they will not ever tackle dramatic stories like death, drugs, war, and other topics. I've read some good stories revolving around these dark topics, and of course, I knew the characters would not ever been written like what I've read in the show. So the way I see it is this. If a reader expect all KP fanfics to be exactly like the show, he/she will be disappointed. I only see a tiny small percentage would be like the show, while the rest have stories that Disney will not ever show in the KP series. And sometimes, the characters have to be a bit OOC to fit the plots. I agree completely...hence my above post |
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