Lilo & Stitch/Kim Possible Crossover

[Sarah Ashley T.]

I was pretty dissapointed. first off, I too heard that it was spossed to be set after StD and Ron and Kim were dating. Secondly.. what was up with the whole "only saved the world 12 times" deal... she's saved it more than that!!

Another thing that saddened me was how fast the plotline went through.... that was a stinker.

Also, they didn't draw Drakken very good.. they were just all "blah...w/e" on him.. and I was like, "Give Drakken some props!!! Don't go skipping out on the quality on him!!" Geesh.

Also, i was confused with the whole cloning thing. Shego explains to drakken once again about how he fails at cloning all the time... then she says something like, "Aren't you five?" and he was like "Don't remind me." and touches his face.
WTF does that mena... is the Drakken i know and love only a five-year old copy of the real one.. or one of five copies.. or what?

[ninjanaco]

Yeha, I was sorely disappointed by the quality of the episode. For such a hyped crossover, they should have let Bob and Mark (or some other qualified writer on the KP staff) help with the writing of the script. Kim, Ron, Drakken and Shego seemed to be not the characters they are in KP, but rather what they are in a badly written fanfic, where the writers almost get the gist of it but most definitely miss the mark.

[dtex9002]

lillyonsaraht, I think the quote was something like, "Aren't you O and five?" Shego was reminding Drakken that his track record for cloning has been zero successes to five failures.

[Sarah Ashley T.]

ah!! I see.. yea, i was rewinding my taped tape of it back and forth.. i couldn't exactly get was she was saying... and I was like, "What?? He's a clone!? NOOO!" xDD thankies so much for clearing that up

[Lady Naomi]

In all honesty, I hated it! Sorry I am so bitter, but it was a waste of time, I could never get back. I am so happy that I didn't bring up my hopes up. The only reason I even decided to watch it because there was shred of hope that it would be after STD. To bad it wasn't. The whole episode annoyed me. I agree with what every one said on top. Thats about everything I was about it say but in better words.

Sorry for my rant but I had to vent it out somewhere.

[Sarah Ashley T.]

don't worry, naomi... I agree

[Lady Naomi]

Thanks! ;D

[cloudmonet]

You know, it's always awkward when a character with more star power than you have guest stars on your show. Sure, Lilo and Stitch started out as characters from a movie theaters feature, and maybe they're even better known than Kim, but Kim has star power.

Lilo's probably saved the world from the other alien "experiments" more times than Kim has saved it from Drakken et. al., but nobody knows about most of these events besides Stitch. Even the two aliens think they're the real heroes here. So Lilo's one frustrated little girl.

Kim, on the other hand, is famous for her exploits. What's she seeing, looking at Lilo? Something like a girl tweeb who's bothering her about a lost dog. But to Lilo, Kim's crowding in on her turf at the request of the one-eyed alien, who frequently gets in the way of Lilo doing what's needed.

Not a recipe for a pleasant encounter, I'd say. It looks better, looking at it from the viewpoint of Lilo and Stitch, than it does from the viewpoint of Kim and Ron, but really, the characters are getting in each other's way more than anything.

I think there's something going on that prevents most earthlings from seeing the four eyed and one eyed aliens as what they really are, but it's startling to see Kim and Ron not reacting to them. Ron would have had a really funny reaction.

As for how many times Kim has really saved the world, well, it depends on exactly where you're going to define "saving the world." Certainly in both movies, the pan dimensional vortex inducer in "Ron the Man," Senior's missiles in "The New Ron." But in "Bueno Nacho," did Kim and Ron save the world, or just Wisconsin? Yes, they always see themselves as saving the world, but how did the magazine author of "Kim Style" see it?

Well, that magazine dates the episode to sometime after "Kimitation Nation." For that matter, the issue of "Frog Fancy" seems to be the same one Gil(l) has in "Return to Wannaweep," but his magazine there doesn't have to be brand new, so this doesn't prove anything.

Judging from pure shippiness level, or lack thereof, I'd date this episode either pre-Zita, or between "Blush" and "Full Monkey," or alternatively, between "Oh Boyz" and "Triple S," in other words, fairly soon after either "October 31" or "Blush."

Not that I think Lilo's team were paying any real attention to the details of Kim and Ron's relationship, but the clues they dropped with these two magazines and "looking Josh Mankey in the eye" point to one of these times. Post-"Blush" has two precise options. Starting with "Triple S," Kim is sufficiently hung up on Ron that her behavior would be different. Before "Blush," Ron's too hung up on her, and their overall shippiness level is greater than what we see.

Somebody told me about twenty years ago that I told time by my relationships, when I remembered what year a particular event occurred by who I was going with at the time. I've recently realized that you can tell time by the state of Kim and Ron's relationship.

Simplest assumption, Gill's "Frog Fancy" was a new issue in "Return to Wannaweep," because he's really into all things amphibian, and "Rufus" should happen between "Oh Boyz" and "Triple S."

Best assumption based on Kim's attitude, some time between "October 31" and "Grudge Match."

So either "Kim Style" in Lilo's house is more than a year old, or Gill's "Frog Fancy" magazine is more than a year old.

I can't pin it down any more certainly than that.

[Eddieursa]

If anybody can send to this forums the episode to download, could somebody send at least the script of the episode?.

[dudette]

I still havent seen it yet! But It wont be that great if it doesnt take place after So the Drama... I live in Canada and emailed Family and they said it would air on September 19th on a monday!! I'll be at school lol... but ummm did it already air in Canada? because well i didnt hear anything about it! But from what I'm hearing it doesnt sound like a great episode..

[PossibleKim]

This is the lamest episode I ever seen in my entire life. Man what is Disney thinking?? De-mote the product?

The Kim here is actually from season 2 and I am really dissapointed. The storyline SUCKS BIG TIME!!!

[kimmyfan48]

It's sad that they chose that show to crossover with...trust me, there are many other shows that KP could crossover with and it comes out better than the crossover that we saw. It's just another reason why I do not like L&S.

[Cid]

Oh guy if your in the uk like me its on toon Disney this friday jusy to let you know

/Cid

[taechunsa]

I actually couldn't finish the episode.

It was like a poorly written fanfiction. Not only were the KP characters poorly written, but the L&S characters weren't even written well.

I don't even consider this as part of the canon.

On the other hand, what in the Hades were the bigwigs thinking. Any KP released after StD that wasn't set after StD was not going to be well received.

Oh, well. We get more KP episodes soon. ;D

[PossibleKim]

Hopefully it is not as bad as this crossover

[fieryfalcon]

Their desire to make Lilo (sp?) actually matter to the plot is what undid them. They broke up the Ron\Kim team (always a bad move) and they had to water down Drakken so that the little girl would have a shot. Unfortunately, they watered down Kim too. In any other sich with Kim and Ron they'd have busted up Drakken in ten minutes and there's no way Kim would have been captured\rescued in such a fashion. I can't stand the Lilo\Stich movie\eps either, to me its a poor concept that goes no where. Just my own bias though.

[PossibleKim]

Not to mention that Kim got Stitch name worng is very annoying indeed. Kim is not that dense

[eddieursa]

Well, the problem with the wrong name is easy understand it: Stitch and sitch are too much similar. Don't you remember this?:

+ Kim: Well, what's the sitch?.
+ Lilo: No, who's Stitch?.
+ Kim: No, no, no!. "What's the sitch?". You know, it's lika a catchphrase.
+ Lilo: Stitch isn't a catchphrase, he's my friend.

For me, personally, I like this episode a lot. Regarding the stuffs that seem to displease all the people, they are easy to explain:

+ Don't forget that Kim and Ron were invited to another series, therefore, it's necessary to let the "homers" to shine in their own house.
+ Besides, this shows that Lilo could have some "Kim's Style" inside her. In "A Sitch in Time", we could see as Kim already had her "heroine's skills" in the kindergarden; when she save Ron of the shrunked Drakken, Killigan and Monkey Fist.
+ I would never think about breaking Kim and Ron's team, but although they are inseparables, Kim and Ron haven't always worked together. Kim has worked with to Felix, Monique and her own family; and Ronhas also worked with the Wadebot, Yori and Felix. After all, "A varied diet it's the most healthy".
+ During the whole episode, everybody were ignoring Lilo with "It's too dangerous for a little girl". Kim has escaped from avalanches, jumped of airplanes in flames and looked at Josh Mankey straight in the eyes. But Lilo had stopped earthquakes, entered in a black hole and surfed on an enormous tsunami. I don't think Lilo has anything to envy Kim.
+ For me, Lilo and Kim make a great team. Lilo is certainly more effective as sidekick than Ron, but she also has our boy's charms. Don't you remember when Lilo and Rufus entered in scene when Drakken was about to clone Stitch?. Besides, for defeat a stupidhead like Drakken, you don't need too much. If a Naked Mole Rat can with him, how won't somebody as Lilo be able to do it?.

[stuff]

Definitely a HUGE step down in quality from the real Kim Possible episodes. And since I've seen almost all of them thats saying something. If you had to pick the worst episode and included it, it would be the one hands down. The animation styles clashed noticably as the KP characters often appeared weirdly 2D compared to the L+S. But the plot was just stupid and there was simply nothing funny about the episode unlike virtually all of the KP episodes. I've at the very least enjoyed every KP episode. This one was a stinker. No idea of how L+S episodes are in general but hopefully we'll never see anything this bad for the KP series itself. I'd rather have it canceled...