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Post by cadmus on Aug 25, 2007 23:17:29 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thought Yori's reaction to the news that Kim and Ron were dating was utterly lame? I agree with the first post of this episode that Yori came across as two dimensional. The fact that she took the news easily was way too convenient IMO, it also made it feel like her feelings for Ron were never important to her. Had she taken the news a little harder at the beginning but be willing to accept the news at the end she might have came across as more believable. Hell, I felt Kim came across as a lot more human than Yori did. I feel this was the point Yori was no longer that interesting of a character, from this episode on, she was just well..... there for the lack of a better term.
As for the episode itself, it's not that bad an episode, though IMO, this episode isn't even in the same league as the other two Yamunouchi episodes. Speaking of those episodes this was the first Yamunouchi episode not to be done by Rough Draft animation, and it didn't come off as theatrical like the other two. It just looked, weird at times.
It was nice to see Monkey Fist was one step ahead of Team Possible, but his motivation with "the weapon" came across as a little random IMO.
The sacky gag with Ron was pretty funny, and I liked Ron warming up to Hana eventually. Have to admit Hana being the reason for Ron kicking butt was a buzz kill for me, because it just sort of made Hana seem more important than Ron. Hana beating MF this time around didn't bother that much, but when she was used as the ending to Monkey Fist next time, (while Ron was made as little more than a witness in "the big battle") that's when she was starting to wear out her welcome with me as a minor character.
Overall the episode is not perfect, but it's not too shabby either.
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Post by CJS: The Last Fender Bender on Aug 26, 2007 17:07:40 GMT -5
This is another episode that's been overrated by the fandom, although it holds itself together much better than Homecoming Upset. Monty and Ron were entertaining, as was the Sacky gag. I still laugh at the moment Ron introduces himself to Monkey Fist at the end before they fight ;D. We also get to see Ron kick butt with his powers, a very rare site indeed.
4/5
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Post by slicknickshady on Sept 9, 2007 19:31:22 GMT -5
Some HD caps from this episode are now up. ~Click For Full Image
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Post by JuPMod on Sept 12, 2007 6:33:07 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thought Yori's reaction to the news that Kim and Ron were dating was utterly lame? For me, she perhaps put on a good face and took the news well in front of Kim and Ron but let her emotions go when they are not around her. Or maybe she already had heard about them being a couple before meeting them again and already cried her eyes out. (chuckle) Honestly, this is a Disney show and they were not going to show Yori breaking down or such over Stoppable-san now being 'off the market'. She is a strong, independent young woman, especially as a ninja, and given this, I think TPTB wanted to show her that she is acceptable of Ron's relationship with Kim thus her easy acceptence. Besides, her acceptence makes her friendship with Kim more plausible, as well as the two working together later in "Oh, No! Yono".
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Post by cadmus on Sept 12, 2007 15:29:56 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thought Yori's reaction to the news that Kim and Ron were dating was utterly lame? If they actually showed that, I might have beliveved it more. Honestly, Yori accepting Kim/Ron without being upset in the least, just reeked of convenience. It also made her come across like a Mary Sue whose personality can adapt to any situation. Why not they showed Bonnie crying, because Brick broke up with her. Not that I would expect Yori to break down crying, but I thought her transition to being merely friends with Ron frankly sucked. Her easy acceptance gave her no depth, in terms of making her seem human/believable.
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Post by wolfdog72 on Oct 14, 2007 13:14:59 GMT -5
I thought it was cool that ron finally got a younger sister. not to mention she is a ninja kickin baby.
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Post by cadmus on Jan 17, 2008 22:45:32 GMT -5
Watched this one again, it was a little better than I remembered it, but it still wasn't that good, this was pretty straight forward stuff going on in this episode.
I'll spare you my usual rant about how I can't really stand Hana Stoppable's overbearing presence. The stuff with Ron & Hana was done well enough, some of it was cute enough. Had they not used her to the point of over kill (and actually give her powers gasp... an explanation) in Oh No! Yono!, she might of been fine. But for the most part I don't really care that much about her.
Besides the stuff with Hana later in Oh No! Yono! There were two other places where this episode dropped the ball.
1.) Monkey Fist is suddenly going after something called "the weapon" without any idea of what the blasted thing even does. He had exactly zero motivation for going after this. Making his characterization feel forced, instead of natural. In the past when Monkey Fist went after something monkey oriented, he did it with the knowledge of what that certain thing could do. Examples: Monkey Fist Strikes- he went after the idols because he knew of the Mystical Monkey Powers. Monkey Ninjas in Space- he went to space cause he was told (misguided) he could become the Ultimate Monkey Master. Exchange- he knew the sword would work because the Mystical Monkey Powers were connected to it. A Sitch In Time- he knew the idol had time traveling capabilities. The Full Monkey- he knew the amulet could make him a full monkey.
So what's his knowledge of the weapon here? Nothing, he just goes after this just for the sake of it, thus regressing his character. And its not like the weapon was hyped up with a tie in to MMP mythology behind it either; he just goes after it for the sake of it, LAME.
2.) The other one was Yori's regression as a supporting character. After this episode, Yori was no longer interesting. Her element of interest as a character was her potential feelings for Ron, without that her presence in this story and the next were mute. Now that Kim and Ron were an item, obviously this issue needed to be dealt with, unfortunately it was dealt with in a way that made her a two-dimensional character. Ron's news about him and Kim had no impact of shock or disappointment on her whatsoever, making her feelings towards Ron (and her character) feel less special. Yori showed no range of emotion at all. The belief I've always maintained about characters is that a crooked line is always more interesting than a straight one. Yori was the straight line.
This could've been avoided if something like this had been done: At the end scene in the blue shrine, show Kim and Ron walking out first with Kim holding Ron's hand, then pan to Yori showing a sigh of disappointment. Just this little bit of subtlety would of told us Yori's thoughts on Kim/Ron in so little time. Then when Kim and Yori are tied up. Have Yori explain her disappointment of Her and Ron, but also her acceptance of Her & Ron to Kim, at the end you could have Yori ask Kim to promise her not to tell Ron about her feelings towards this, which she would accept. This accomplishes three things; it makes Yori a more believable character, gives her more range of emotion, and gives a new degree of dynamic between Kim and Yori that wasn't previously there.
But instead we didn't get that, this was just another missed season 4 opportunity on a laundry list that's full of them. Just a thought.
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Post by manofevil on Jan 19, 2008 2:11:28 GMT -5
It still kind of bothers me that his parents didn't tell him. I'm trying to get into the mindset of someone when they think to themselves, "Let's not tell the other kid, we'll just hope he deals with it." Maybe they were afraid he would overreact (Ron, overreact? Nooo...), so they decided to wait until it was done, so he'd just have to deal. I just finished reading all your reactions and this was the only thing I felt was unaddressed. What many of you may not know is that prospective adoptive parents with their own children are advised NOT to discuss the adoption with their other children. The reason for this is to spare them the almost constant disappointment which usually precedes a successful adoption particularly in international cases. My sister and her husband are currently attempting to do this themselves and have a five-year -old. My sister has let both me and my parents know in no uncertain terms that we are NOT to discuss adoption or their frequent trips in front of my nephew. It's sound advice as THEY can barely stand to discuss it. If the Stoppables have just successfully adopted from overseas, then it's safe to assume that their attempts to adopt may well precede the timeline of the show. That would be three years which they've been trying and failing. With all the heartbreaks that entails. So if you wonder what they've been doing for the past four seasons. now you know. I'll admit that they might have at least found a gentler way to tell Ron given his level of, or perhaps I should say irregular, maturity, but it's not unheardof for adoptive families to find themselves having to spring it on their other children in such manner. They definitely should have chosen a different way with Ron, though, Even if it did set up a great gag for the end of 'Oh No, Yono'. ;D
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Post by friendlyone20 on Mar 11, 2008 2:28:52 GMT -5
hana stoppable is a little annoying but the episode rocked!! right sackie XXIII? ;D
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Post by ferryport1987 on Mar 11, 2008 9:04:17 GMT -5
Hana wasn't annoying...that's just the way babies are...but have you noticed that Hana Stoppable has a heart or body of steel...because she NEVER cries for nothing...seriously
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Post by slicknickshady on Nov 11, 2008 21:40:56 GMT -5
I just watched this again today...still a great episode.
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Post by cadmus on Nov 12, 2008 14:16:57 GMT -5
So did I, did anybody else notice how dull the animation was in this episode?
The animation in this episode was absolutely stiff and lifeless, right down there with some of the worst work Starburst has done on this show (majority of season 2). Team that up with an episode that felt like it was going through the motions, a disappointing Yori-Ron resolution, and jokes that were not that funny at all, and it's a pretty disappointing episode.
People might disagree with me on this, but I find Greg Weisman's first episode (Queen Bebe) to be a much more interesting episode despite it's faults.
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Post by slicknickshady on Nov 12, 2008 19:12:38 GMT -5
So did I, did anybody else notice how dull the animation was in this episode? The animation in this episode was absolutely stiff and lifeless, right down there with some of the worst work Starburst has done on this show (majority of season 2). Team that up with an episode that felt like it was going through the motions, a disappointing Yori-Ron resolution, and jokes that were not that funny at all, and it's a pretty disappointing episode. People might disagree with me on this, but I find Greg Weisman's first episode (Queen Bebe) to be a much more interesting episode despite it's faults. I guess it depends on why a person watches the show to begin with. I watch it for Kim & Ron so I really don't care what the animation is like.
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Post by manofevil on Jan 15, 2010 3:55:02 GMT -5
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Post by manofevil on Jan 15, 2010 4:03:58 GMT -5
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Post by manofevil on Jan 15, 2010 4:22:45 GMT -5
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Post by manofevil on Jan 15, 2010 4:32:43 GMT -5
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