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Post by nabusan on Apr 25, 2007 0:43:47 GMT -5
Sensitive guys totally turn me on. Then again, everything turns me on ^^
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Post by Comrade_Chin on Apr 25, 2007 9:23:29 GMT -5
Wow Ron's untap genius sure came out in this episode.He seems to be good at Actuaring.Like father like son i guess.I didnt know and since when was he good with numbers?
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Post by spacefreak on Apr 25, 2007 9:55:07 GMT -5
Agreed. Then again, there are some who are great at statistics but cannot do calculus or advanced algebra to save their lives. And then there are those of us who are decent at calculus and algebra but cannot do statistics.
Maybe Ron would excel in statistics, but not engineering or technical applications?
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Post by nabusan on Apr 25, 2007 10:54:13 GMT -5
*brainfreeze*
You and Thorius Maximus would totally get along.
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Post by Thorius Maximus on Apr 25, 2007 11:45:13 GMT -5
It's a matter of interest concerning him.
Episodes that have shown him excelling at mathematics: Bad Boy, Naked Genius and now this one, Odds Man In.
This view is actually incorrect. Ron does excel in engeneering and technically aplication, both shown in Naked Genius and Bad Boy.
And, if Ron excels in statistics then he also excels in all other mathematical field, but why? It's because of the logic behind it. Doing statistics isn't something easy, in fact it's one of the most complicated mathematical fields that there can be because it rellies completely on mathematical instinct and understanding, YOU HAVE NO BASIS OF REFERENCE in statistics, you have to think of everything from scrath, for you must know that there isn't one equasion that equal to another. An equasion concerning cancer probality and an equasion about fuel consuption and performance are completely different since for each different equasion, not only does the mathematician need an excellent understanding of the mathematical impact of the factors and it's relationships withone another, in other words to realize, create and understand the equasion's logic completely but also requires a deep mathematical instinct and understanding, for without those them the person can't even start.
Ron shows this mathematical instinct and understanding in other field such as calculus, which also require the exact same mathematical understanding of factorial relationships(just like in ALL mathemitical fields). All fields mathematics are just about the understanding of the factorial relationship, ALL fields, and it's this lack of perspective in education that makes kids fear and not understand mathematics.
Ron needs a deep mathematical instincs if he is to come up with the formulas do several different situations, and this instinct is applied in every mathematical field, because this deep understanding comes form his own natural logics, Ron's natural logic, or way of thinking.
I've said this again and again for over a year, Ron excells at mathematics. This episode is just one more for my bag of proofs.
I did have one minor doubt concerning a speciffic factor nevertheless I still firmly believed he excelled at mathematics, however, this episode erases all of my doubt, for statistics is the field of which a strong mathematical instinct is absolutely necessary, this mathematical instinct is also present in every mathematical field however, it is on statistics that it is the most needed, satistics bases itself entirely on mathematical interpretations.
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Post by aliciamartin on Apr 25, 2007 12:38:31 GMT -5
i sooooooooooo wanna see this one ;D
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Post by lakme on Apr 25, 2007 14:42:01 GMT -5
I missed it!? Shoot, and I'll be gone this Saturday, too ;_;
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Post by xellos16 on Apr 25, 2007 15:14:10 GMT -5
Its a great one.
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Post by ♥KPFan72491♥ on Apr 25, 2007 15:34:32 GMT -5
yup man i wish they still had it online
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Post by Scoutcraft Piratess on Apr 25, 2007 16:09:50 GMT -5
Y'know what? I've seen the episode, I might as well go ahead and leave my review. 5/5Mind you, I just don't give out 5s, so this is a fairly big deal. This episode thoroughly delighted me. It was hysterically funny, had excellent character development and interaction, and was just all-around charming. I was enthralled by every moment and I'm still giggling about some of the jokes--especially all the corporate stuff. I KNEW that Bueno Nacho experience would give Drakken a taste for big business. The concept of this episode is that Ron gets interested in his father's line of work--the actuary business. As has been mentioned above, I think Ron has a knack for numbers (as long as he's interested, of course, considering his probably math grade--beyond this, I still believe he is also a mechanical genius). Anywho, the statistics of death and other hazards begin to get to the Ron-man, turning him into a paranoid freak. It begins well, with the chivalrous intentions of protecting his girlfriend, but then Ron realizes that he himself is a walking disaster who should have died in the 10th grade. Beyond this, Drakken is balancing sending the world into another ice age and running a gourmet cupcake company. The many perks of this episode: Shippiness, shippiness, and more shippiness. The reappearance of Hank as a evil consultant to Drakken makes way for lots of Dilbertesque white-color jokes. Wade accidentally hit Kim with a stun gun. That's just funny. Wade had a good role in this episode. The scene where it snows is beautifully done. This was very well-written. Hey, I like Hero-Ron. Sorry. And I have never seen him kick this much butt w/o monkey kun fu. More evidence to support my belief that Ron's parents are not evil! Rufus is back! I loved the range of Ron's feelings in this episode. So much of his character was shown in this episode. I believe and am okay with Ron doing the extremes, and it works for this sort of cartoon. We see the paranoid freak and the tough boy who is Kim's equal if not better. Shego and Drakken interaction. I don't know if I would call it shippy, but it was fun. Wade had funny lines. The henchmen had funny lines. Stuff I didn't like about this episode: Still no lippy-kiss. I don't like cupcakes. Yet another a Wade-inturrupted shippy moment. I think he does it on purpose. Though in this case it would have been very awkward.
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Post by spacefreak on Apr 25, 2007 16:34:00 GMT -5
Thorius, your logic seems sound, but I have to wonder. How come in undergraduate college, biology and psychology majors typically do not have to take anything beyond first semester calculus and then statistics, yet when they look at engineers, physicists, math majors, and computer science majors, the formulae scare them?
Is it that their brains are not wired to think in series, with each concept building on the other?
In regards to Ron, and after reading your post and going back and watching those two episodes, I agree that Ron does possess the abilities needed for advance mathematics. But why doesn't he use them and work harder to advanced himself in them? Is it laziness, lack of opportunity, his laid back personality, or that he does not want to outshine Kim?
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Post by Yamal on Apr 25, 2007 16:34:05 GMT -5
How can you dislike cupcakes?! ^__^
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Post by Scoutcraft Piratess on Apr 25, 2007 16:35:32 GMT -5
How can you dislike cupcakes?! ^__^ I'm apparently a horrible person. I also don't like cinnamon buns.
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Post by nabusan on Apr 25, 2007 17:29:30 GMT -5
Scoutcrafts review reminded me of a few things.
1. Wade - Supergenius and creator of Kim's gadgets, and yet he doesn't know which way to point his stunning device? I found that a tad bit weird.
2. Major ditto on the snow scene being beautiful. It was set up perfectly and was very cinematic!
3. During Ron's rescue, when he unmasks himself and proclaims: 'Can I get a booyah?!!', and then proceeds to swing through the air grabbing Kim and Wade before they meet a chocolately end - that has to be the single-greatest moment of the entire series for me. Ron was so...brave!
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Post by spacefreak on Apr 25, 2007 17:34:56 GMT -5
Definitely agree with you Nabu on the chocolate scene. When I saw the rope going up from Ron's end, I was afraid that Ron pushed the wrong button and that Kim and Wade would dipped into the hot chocolate.
I think when the episode actually airs, that this is going to make a lot of jaws drop and a lot of cheering for Ron.
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Post by Thorius Maximus on Apr 25, 2007 18:18:45 GMT -5
You didn't understand my argument(or I may have explained myself incorrectly).
A psychology and a biology graduate aren't confortable with other mathematical field simply because they haven't learn them. These people learn math and understand maths, but all according to the fields that they have learned, normally people DON'T understand the real logic behind the several mathematical fields, while in truth there isn't any difference in terms of basic logic.
Ron's case is not a common case, Ron's the case that has indeed the talent for mathematics, in other words he is able to compreend the logics behind mathematics, this is also shown from the sporadic complex logics(unusual points of view he sometimes shows while argumenting, because it indicate that he has a good logical mind. This good logical talent stretches all the way to mathematics, since mathematics is just logics.
As a person that has some interest and insight in maths, I can tell you that all mathematical fields have a common logic, and that's the compreension of the intereaction of the several factors at stake. However, some fields are harder to have their logics understood than others. All this is directly related to the person ability to develop logics.
Let me give you two examples:
If you try to calculate the common ground between two domains you will get a speciffic result, for instance, you have the intersection between an infinite area and a line, what the intersection? It's the line.
If you have a certain combination and that combination will give a number of results that will create a certain percentage if compare it with the total amount of combination, however in statistics you have to understand how the factors react with one another in order to put a division, or a multiplication, etc...
By the way, statistics is indeed one of the hardest fields in mathematics(I also don't feel much at ease with it) but Ron isn't doing your average high school statistics combinations where you are told every factor that exist right in the start, he's doing advanced statistics, in other words he has to depend entire on his capability to understand, intepretate, develop and transfer the necessary logic into an equasion, and this requires a deep logical capability. Let me tell, the people that are in the field of teoretical statistics, which is exactly what Ron is doing, either they natural excel on what they do, or they are extremely well trained professionals.
That's why teoretical statistics is one of the fields where a person's logical capabilities are most put to use because it depends entirely on the person logical capabilties that will the used for mathematical purposes, for one has to thikn of everything from scratc and if he/she succeed, then it is a fine indicator of that persons ability with deep teoretical and logical mathematic fields. A somewhat "exagerated" example of these "logical/teoretical mathematical fields" if for instance going as deep as enough in mathematical logic and use mathematical logics itself in order to prove that 1+1 = 1, instead of the "usual" 2.
Ron's situation can be summed up in a just a simple phrase:
It's all a matter of interest and stimulli.
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Post by Comrade_Chin on Apr 25, 2007 19:44:16 GMT -5
Wade - Supergenius and creator of Kim's gadgets, and yet he doesn't know which way to point his stunning device? I found that a tad bit weird. Probably because it was his first mission and he was nervous.
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Post by metaljudas on Apr 25, 2007 23:14:57 GMT -5
Shego and Drakken interaction. I don't know if I would call it shippy, but it was fun. It was their usual bantering, which is okay for me. That's how I like them. However, you could draw some shippy conclusions about Shego's reaction to Drakken's "transformation" in the end-credits joke.
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Post by Rognik on Apr 26, 2007 0:54:36 GMT -5
Well, I definitely felt that Shego was almost nagging Drakken like they'd been married for years. (And considering the number of schemes they've been through, it's probably not too far off.)
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Post by nabusan on Apr 26, 2007 3:59:06 GMT -5
All of the major Shego/Drakken episodes have been 5/5 for me. Mad Dogs and Aliens, Clothes Minded and now Odds Man In. They just brighten up the whole episode for me!
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