Post by ViridianSin on May 29, 2007 15:21:19 GMT -5
Gotta love Disney's ability to steel its own ideas- POTC3-Pirates on Kim Possible..... Shameless plug, obviously, but it works. It was a really great episode, I loved the old town and the pirate sword thing and....
Yeah, it was great. I love it when they come up with interesting plots, rather than the *insert random villain name here* taking over the world with his *insert mind boggling death ray of ultimate doom here* stuff.
Post by spacefreak on May 29, 2007 19:07:56 GMT -5
I may have figured out when Cap'n Drakken might have occurred. When Barkin Sr. mentioned that everyone would be wearing the costumes, Ron says "I will not be caught wearing a dress ... again." Thus, Cap'n Drakken probably happens AFTER Cupid Effect. Since they are in summer wear, and their trip lasts one week, that this should occur during spring break, which is typically in April for K-12 students.
Thus, it doesn't just happen anytime in the school year, but we can limit it down a bit.
Hey gang! I'm happy to see such a spirited discussion regarding this (apparently) controversial episode and while I'm sorry to see that it missed the target for many of you, I'm happy that some of you managed to find much to enjoy along the way.
Without getting too immersed in the thread, there are a few things I'd like to add before I let you get back to it... chumming the waters as it were....
1 - We just wanted to do a priate episode. It started with the idea of Drakken becomes a pirate and general piratey enthusiam went on to fill in the blanks after that. Schooley had actually been to a living history town at one point and that angle became natural addition. We were fully aware that our episode would most likely get cross promoted with Pirates 3 (heck, there were days when we the lobby and courtyard of our building were FULL of potential extras for casting in Pirates 3 - alot of tall, scraggly lookin' dudes to be sure!), so the POTC franchise was defintely on everyone's minds. But rather than Disney mandating our material to boost their feature film, we saw this as an opportunity to ride their wake.
I can't speak for the rest of the creative team, but I know I was enthusiastic about the notion that KP would, no doubt, get some additional promotion specifically due to the timing of the episode release coinciding with the release of Pirates 3. Looking forward, it was easy to imagine Disney promoting their big feature with "pirate-themed" nights/episodes on The Channel, why not assure KP a high profile role in that marketing push by having an ideal episode ready to go?
So, again, there was no madate for us to "get our pirate on" and, aside from fortuitously riding the big, feature-film publicty machine, there was no intention to directly rip off the "Pirates" franchise. The notion of cursed pirate treasure and pirate ghost ships existed long before Captain Jack Sparrow's popularization of the genre. Obviously there would be a nod or two to POTC and, being a speck of an animated show under the shadow of that monolithic franchise, it would be impossible to escape comparisons between the two - but the bottom line was that we just liked pirate genre and thought we could have fun there.
2 - Like the big budget movies of the POTC franchise - I think we had more going on than we could really properly develop and that made it a tough juggle finding enough screen time to fit it all in. With so much plot, there's a danger of losing the story. But, that said, I think we did a respectable job (or at least tried to) to fit it all in and I particularly give kudos to writer Kim Duran (this script really put her though the wringer and she did a fabulous job surviving every draft, trying to incorperate the notes while trying to tame the wild seas of this story - though I'm pretty sure she was ready to keel haul me before it was all said and done! ) and, of course, to Mr. Steve Loter for doing a bang up job directing this episode and pulling it all together. We put alot on his plate and I think he really delivered.
2a - A little "cutting-room floor trivia" for you, our diehard fans... the original teaser had Kim & Ron climbing to the top of a volcano to destroy Drakken's latest lair. Shego, of course, is not happy with the uncomfortably hot lair, but Drakken is convinced that no one would think to find him hiding in a volcano... besides, this lair is the perfect location for his latest doom ray... Shego presses for details and discovers Drakken has no idea what the ray will do yet, but he's insistant that, regardless, he's still going to need a place for it. So, not only did this scene set up the gags in the underwater lair as "running gags", but Kim & Ron's destruction of the lair results in a giant cloud of volcanic ash. This, of course, lends weight to Barkin's "freak storm/volcanic ash" line in the next scene where we, along with Kim & Ron, learn that they are personally responsible for the "destruction" of their Senior Trip.
While I'm sorry that stuff got cut - something had to go and, while it was fun stuff, it utlimately wasn't essential to telling an already over-packed story. Other lost bits at one draft or another were a big fight at the lighthouse and a much more elaborate witch trial where Kim has to stand in Bonnie's defense!
3- There may or may not have been a bit of K/R shippiness in the episode that got lost. I know my focus, at the time, was really just wrangling this cumbersome Krakken - the primary challenge was finding good moments for our beloved characters, while fitting in all the plot and backstory along the way. This story was more about the senior class being stuck in this situation together. In hindsight, it would have been nice to feature at least one little teeny tiny K/R moment - the fact that it wasn't there? I blame the story editor.
4 - Kim's line about "a change in the wind" is a stadard kind of sailing phrase that is perfect for double-meanings in adventure-on-the-high-seas kind of stories. There's been a lot of speculation about the line in this thread, but it really was just supposed to reference the fact that, with the Pirate Curse undone, the storm had now passed and the seas were once again calm.
How about this? The senior class had seen being stuck in ye ol' days as a curse; in Drakken's case it literally WAS a curse, but it wasn't until the kids stopped fighting traditions and learned to accept and protect them that they were able to "defeat the curse" (literally embodied by Drakken) and return to a contented-calmed-sea-or-series-status-quo (saving their grade along the way). The change in the wind litereally refers to the storm calming on the seas, as well as the figurative strife of their adventure having passed. At least, that's what I believe writer Kim and I were going for... ;D Whether or not that works for you is another story (figuratively and maybe even literally!)
In closing, I just want to be clear that I am not offering this post as an "excuse" for the episode, but rather as "insider scoop" with a bit of explanation along the way. I don't want to use this forum as a place to defend my/our work - it is what it is. You can't please all of the people all of the time, and you know what? That's fine! Being a fan myself, I understand that you feel a certain ownership of your beloved show (whichever one it is), because you invest your heart and imagination in it - so you have a right to pick and choose what works for you and why (to save and/or record over whichever episodes you please).
I just think it's great we live in this technological age where fans from around the world can come to a place like this and sound off, so... keep up the passion, people! We're happy to have you aboard... Arrrggg!
Post by Commander Argus on Jun 2, 2007 14:50:48 GMT -5
I just wish there had been more pirate and less living history town. Basically, we ended up with two stories duking it out for the precious 22 minutes, and what I think should have been the primary one suffered for it.
The lack of even a single word of K/R was...saddening.
Post by Darth_Comrade on Jun 2, 2007 15:10:45 GMT -5
I'm actually pleased there weren't too many K/R moments in this episode(I did in fact notice there was SOME hints of a relationship between them), I was beginning to get worried their relationship was starting to overshadow the things I enjoyed about this show the most.
I really loved this one...it put Kim and the gang in a new and fresh environment, plenty of comedy and action...it was different and thats why I enjoyed it so much!
I think it's fine without a K/R moment, too, and not because I'm anti-romance or anything. The episode flowed well enough as it is. Try to force a romance moment, and it ruins the whole thing. There's just no need for it. Besides, they've been friends forever; they don't have to keep reminding themselves they like each other, as it's a given.
Post by Commander Argus on Jun 4, 2007 17:47:51 GMT -5
You don't have to force romance. A touch of a shoulder, a reference to their status, a tiny, inconsequential cheek kiss, a moment of holding hands waiting for the bus. That's all we ask, not that they're carrying a big banner that says, in flashing neon letters "WE'RE A COUPLE!"