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Post by DP on Jul 17, 2007 22:36:17 GMT -5
^ Loved the eppie, saw it yesterday though I was shocked the first time around when Kim saved Drakken. I was too. But luckily, that's what heroes do. You can bet I let out the most freaked out gasp of all time when my Dr. D went plunging down into the depths of the ocean though.
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Post by Guru Mandi (will return) on Jul 17, 2007 22:49:03 GMT -5
^ I can so imagine I loved the end when Ron was stuck in the metal-thingy! Ah, good times...
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Post by kimburnpotts on Jul 18, 2007 8:15:25 GMT -5
That wasn't him that threw her in the stockade, it was the pirate spirit possessing him. And when the spirit left him he had no recollection of anything that just happened. Oh, I know - but I wonder if Shego will see it that way... Then again, she did take him back onto the raft...
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Post by DP on Jul 18, 2007 12:15:17 GMT -5
That wasn't him that threw her in the stockade, it was the pirate spirit possessing him. And when the spirit left him he had no recollection of anything that just happened. Oh, I know - but I wonder if Shego will see it that way... Then again, she did take him back onto the raft... Yeah, she was the one who discovered he was possessed in the first place---she even went online to find out who he was possessed by. So hopefully she'll understand that he wasn't himself when he did that.
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Post by Firelady Nemo on Jul 20, 2007 19:49:02 GMT -5
she did, because she took him back!
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Post by cadmus on Nov 6, 2007 16:05:43 GMT -5
Easily season 4's worst episode by miles. This episode for me was like buying tickets to see KISS, but when I get there, I figure out that the only hint of KISS in the concert will be imitators playing Kiss's signature song, "Wanna Rock n' Roll All Night" at the very end of the concert. And I'd also figure out the rest of the concert would be replaced with "The Oakridge Boys". I kid you not, that's exactly how this episode felt. If you're going to build up an episode in commercial form on the promise of a pirate story of some sort you have to deliver, 3/4 of this episode DID NOT feel like a pirate episode. The stuff with the pirates in here felt uninspired character wise. As Captain Black Eye Brown's spirit had NO MOTIVATION whatsoever. Thus the action sequences in act 3 felt forced. But this episode honestly went downhill right from the start. The seniors were pumped to go on their senior vacation only for it to get turned into an assignment. If I were there, I'd rebel against Mr. Barkin like I were Bart Simpson at Camp Krusty. Mr. Barkin's attitude just made me want to punch him for sabatoging the senior trip that the students paid for. If it was meant to come off as a joke, then the joke died on its ass. Rescheduling it was one thing but turning it into an assignment just set up a tone to the episode that made it feel depressing as hell. But it gets worse, not only did they have to attend a living history town, they had to dress like they're great grandparents (which had me rolling my eyes) and participate like they actually lived in the 1800's. And don't give me this "this was a great learning experience" crap either, because unless any of these characters decide to become amish, (and I highly doubt they will) all of these characters will have forgotten anything they had learned here once they get their precious technology back. And before someone tells me they can learn to survive w/out technology now your still reaching. If any of these got stranded on an island w/out electricity I don't see them churning butter or dressing like they were in the 1800's to get by, do you? But the people I really feel sorry for are Steve Loter and the storyboard artists that worked on the third act. I can imagine it was a lot of hard work trying to make the pirate scene (from the cgi, the animation, to the backgrounds) look that good. But sadly it all gets shot for two reasons. One, the majority of the story was dominated by the duller than dishwater living history town plot. Two, the pirate part of the episode had little to no substance to it. The pirate stuff left no lasting impression from a storytelling point of view, because no one gave us a reason to care about the pirates themselves. If they were relying on the fact that they were simply pirates to make us care, then that failed miserably. The POC franchise often gets criticized for being mostly mindless action and no character, but the truth is, there is enough focus on character to make people care about the characters on screen even if the movies themselves go on for way too long. If POC had the kind of focus on character shown here there's no way they would've gotten 1-2 sequels. Also what was the point of that stupid parrot, Remy turning heel then turning face had no real logic behind it at all. The second half of season 4 dropped in quality, thanks mainly to some grand bone headed decisions (stuff like Bonnie getting way too much screen time in Homecoming Upset, the execution of this episode, Monkey Fist's ultimate sendoff being a baby(who was a one-note character) jumping on his face, that stupid off switch in Graduation, a lazy pay off to Ron's MMP, and Ron's Graduation drama rama getting no logical pay off all come to mind) and missed opportunities where they just dropped the ball. Stuff that left me wondering what the hell was going on when these decisions were made. But this episode is easily season 4's worst episode, and one of KP's worst in the entire series.
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Post by Alexlayer on Nov 6, 2007 16:57:18 GMT -5
Man, why so much hate? I actually really liked this episode!
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Post by CJS: The Last Fender Bender on Nov 6, 2007 20:00:46 GMT -5
Man, why so much hate? I actually really liked this episode! I have to agree with your questioning Alex. cadmus, every review I've seen you post is negative. It's like you've never seen an episode you like. Is this the case? I would very much like to know what episodes you do like if this isn't the case.
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Post by Firelady Nemo on Nov 6, 2007 20:23:07 GMT -5
i liked it.. but i think the k/r shippers wanted more shippiness of something .. but i really liked it though
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Post by frozenfire on Nov 6, 2007 21:01:50 GMT -5
Man, why so much hate? I actually really liked this episode! I'm with alex on this one...
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Post by cadmus on Nov 7, 2007 0:10:24 GMT -5
Man, why so much hate? I actually really liked this episode! I have to agree with your questioning Alex. cadmus, every review I've seen you post is negative. It's like you've never seen an episode you like. Is this the case? I would very much like to know what episodes you do like if this isn't the case. Do you honestly think that I'd go off on a multi paragraph rant about show I don't care about? Is there anything wrong with a little tough love? Actually I've enjoyed alot of Kim Possible episodes from just about every season. Its one of the few cartoons left that I go out of my way to watch these days, and trust me there aren't that many left. Hell I thought that the first half of this season was absolutely fantastic (Fashion Victim & Big Bother aside which were just middling efforts). Hell I've defended Grande Size Me and Mathter & Fervant (two episodes people seem to hate) where others have bashed them. But this episode honestly felt like 22 minutes of my life that I'll never get back. Looking back at the 2nd half of the season there were so many wasted opportunities that it became frustrating, especially at the end of the series. i liked it.. but i think the k/r shippers wanted more shippiness of something .. but i really liked it though The lack of anything said about K/R isn't what bugged me. The plot that absolutely sucked is what bugged me, and for all those who feel I've been way too hard on this episode, there are plenty of other members on this board that posted in this thread that felt the same way I did. I love this show, but not to the point where I can't see the flaws, if I find any. And this episode is an example of me choosing NOT to celebrate mediocrity.
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Post by chocoholic1 on Nov 7, 2007 0:26:59 GMT -5
The lack of anything said about K/R isn't what bugged me. The plot that absolutely sucked is what bugged me, and for all those who feel I've been way too hard on this episode, there are plenty of other members on this board that posted in this thread that felt the same way I did. Ditto. This episode barely had anything to do with Drakken being a pirate or any evil plot whatsoever. All it was was Kim and Ron and the others surviving an old village.
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Post by CJS: The Last Fender Bender on Nov 7, 2007 2:16:52 GMT -5
Do you honestly think that I'd go off on a multi paragraph rant about show I don't care about? Is there anything wrong with a little tough love? Nothing wrong with it at all. I just haven't seen any good reviews from you. I guess they do exist. Very true. Kim Possible was basically the only TV show I watched when it was on this year. You mean I actually found someone who thinks Grande Size Me was decent? What did you like about it?
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Post by Commander Argus on Nov 8, 2007 21:29:35 GMT -5
Honestly, while I don't think this one even comes close to worst of the series, there are things about it that are genuinely upsetting, the least of which is the utter and total (and apparently deliberate) lack of KR.
The most upsetting thing is, as has been said, the senior trip. First off, Barkin just tees me off no end at the beginning of the episode, and let me tell you, the cell phones would have been out and parents (who we all know paid for the trip) would have lawyers lined up in droves. Cartoon physics and behavior aside, that crud just didn't fly.
Then the trip turned out to be deadly danged boring. Yep, boring, no funny. Franklin Barkin, not funny. Taking away all the cellphones, boring. Kim making butter, boring.
WHERE ARE THE FRELLING PIRATES?
In my opinion, they should have just gone to South Beach Bay Harbor and gone straight into the pirate thing.
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Post by frozenfire on Nov 8, 2007 22:43:13 GMT -5
I guess that's what happens when you try something new... didn't they say in a live chat that they wanted to do something like this for a long time?... maybe it didn't really come out the way they wanted it to...
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Post by DP on Nov 10, 2007 14:51:21 GMT -5
I agree that the senior trip parts dragged a bit, but I believe this episode was one of the best of the series. It had some of the most exciting, most edge-of-your-seat action scenes and what I believed to be one of most heart-wrenching scenes in the entire series---when Drakken almost drowns and Kim saves him (or maybe that's just the Drakken fangirl in me ;D ). I also believe the part where possessed Drakken corners Kim with the sword, and Ron, Shego and everybody turn to look, that was one of the most intense moments on the show. It was like a "it all comes down to this" moment. Better than anything in Graduation if you ask me. The main reasons people didn't like it are: 1.) The lack of K/R shippyness - By this logic, you should also dislike every episode prior to So the Drama, because they didn't get together until then. 2.) Its purpose was to market Pirates of the Caribbean - This was debunked by Bob Schooley. 3.) The episode spent too much time on the senior trip and not enough time on pirate stuff - This I agree with. I just find it a shame that most people don't appreciate how good the pirate stuff that DID make it into the episode was.
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Post by Alexlayer on Nov 10, 2007 17:34:26 GMT -5
1.) The lack of K/R shippyness - By this logic, you should also dislike every episode prior to So the Drama, because they didn't get together until then. Guess this is one of the things I've liked of the episode. Not that I despite K/R, but for me, it's usually just a waste of airtime.
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Post by Luke Danger on Nov 10, 2007 17:40:17 GMT -5
Great episode. 5/5 Who DOESN'T like swordfighting? Only thing it lacked was a torpedo plane run
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Post by Alexlayer on Nov 10, 2007 17:41:30 GMT -5
That would have been hilarous
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Post by Luke Danger on Nov 10, 2007 18:10:52 GMT -5
Heh, I think I can predict it.
sailing back to port mystic cover haven...
Lt Thorpe: "This is Bravo Alpha Three, comin' in with torps to send pirates to Davy Jones, releasing goods."
Kim: *sees the torpedo* ABANDON SHIP!
*everyone gets flinged of by the blast and land in the water*
*after getting recovered from the water*
Barkin Sr: NEXT TIME LAD, CHECK YOUR TARGET BEFORE FIRING!
Ron: *off to the side* oohhh harsh.
Wade: Moral of that mission, watch where you aim.
Ron: Like in dodgeball?
Wade: somthing like that...
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