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Post by slicknickshady on Sept 13, 2007 1:32:41 GMT -5
I have a question Swenlin. Please if you could clear it up that Ron was not wearing Diapers in his sophmore year i would appreciate? I just figured Ron watched the show when he was a baby and it has just recently but put out on DVD.
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Post by swenlin on Sept 13, 2007 9:14:53 GMT -5
I have a question Swenlin. Please if you could clear it up that Ron was not wearing Diapers in his sophmore year i would appreciate? I just figured Ron watched the show when he was a baby and it has just recently but put out on DVD. The joke is clearly implying that he was, but I wouldn't take it seriously... we all know that wasn't the case.
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Post by rd on Sept 13, 2007 9:36:53 GMT -5
No, no, no...
We all know for a fact that with Ron's diet, he is absolutely incontinent. Diapers?
Depends...
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Post by Ron Stoppable on Sept 13, 2007 11:45:08 GMT -5
No, no, no... We all know for a fact that with Ron's diet, he is absolutely incontinent. Diapers? Depends... Lay off it...
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Post by slicknickshady on Sept 13, 2007 12:43:43 GMT -5
we all know that wasn't the case. Good to have an answer from the writer himself. Thanks.
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Post by idontfinishthings on Sept 13, 2007 12:48:48 GMT -5
No, no, no... We all know for a fact that with Ron's diet, he is absolutely incontinent. Diapers? Depends... No wonder he seemed so unaffected in Nursery Crimes. ;D
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Post by CJS: The Last Fender Bender on Sept 13, 2007 17:57:32 GMT -5
No, no, no... We all know for a fact that with Ron's diet, he is absolutely incontinent. Diapers? Depends... Talk about a low blow. I would have to say Ron doesn't wear diapers anymore. If he did, they would be pretty obvious under those boxers. ;D
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Post by DP on Sept 13, 2007 18:00:44 GMT -5
Thanks for clearing that up Brian. And also, in "Rufus vs. Commodore Puddles" we see Ron getting potty trained and in the video he is clearly much younger than 15.
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Post by swenlin on Sept 13, 2007 22:38:55 GMT -5
Thanks for clearing that up Brian. And also, in "Rufus vs. Commodore Puddles" we see Ron getting potty trained and in the video he is clearly much younger than 15. Yeah, the thing with Mark and Bob is that they tend to favor comedy over continuity.
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Post by CJS: The Last Fender Bender on Sept 13, 2007 22:39:54 GMT -5
Thanks for clearing that up Brian. And also, in "Rufus vs. Commodore Puddles" we see Ron getting potty trained and in the video he is clearly much younger than 15. Yeah, the thing with Mark and Bob is that they tend to favor comedy over continuity. Yet another reason why Kim Possible rocks. ;D
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Post by swenlin on Sept 24, 2007 0:05:24 GMT -5
Check out my post on Page 58 of the Graduation Review thread to learn about the return of Monkey Fist that never was!
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Post by JuPMod on Sept 25, 2007 6:00:36 GMT -5
Yori "She's like a sister!" That's it! Yori IS Hana's sister! (shrug and smile) Interpret it as anyone wish, but the keyword in Yori's statement is 'like', thus they are not *blood* sisters.
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Post by cadmus on Oct 3, 2007 1:38:26 GMT -5
You know, I just officially watched the episode - I'd seen it on YouTube, but that doesn't count. It's an odd episode. I mean... I don't blame the people who hate it. I watched it back to back with Odds Man Out... after watching the opening bit from Big Job. Sandwiched in between those two episodes, Yono is such a "straight" episode. Granted there are some laughs along the way, but I understand why people are calling it "dark". It's definitely more drama than comedy. Though that Flippees dance in the climax was pretty crazy. There was a bit in the pet shop that got cut where Ron peeks in a back room for clues and when he pulls his head out of the room, it's covered in animals (snakes, spiders, hamsters, etc.) - it was a funny sight gag that I'm sorry didn't make it into the final episode. I guess it's nice that the show can have such a range of tone, but if what you like about Kim Possible is the silliness of Clothes Minded or Big Job (which are two of my season four faves), then Yono is not for you. But if you like the drama getting kicked up a notch, then Yono is probably a good thing. In retrospective, I think this episode works alot better after already seeing Larry's Birthday instead of as just a simple stand alone episode. Since that episode lays out the foundation of the Ron/Hana foundation, that was continued on in this episode. Also Mr. Swenlin, I must apologize on my behalf for criticizing this episode for the lack of Hana as a baby sister to Ron since the episode continues on from the last episode, the fault is more in line with the stupid Disney Channel scheduling. Having said that, in retrospective (I need better vocabulary) this episode is better on a second viewing but is far from perfect. As far as people hating this episode, I don't think it was because it was "dark", I think people's hatred of this episode stems from the depth problems this episode has. About the only level I think this episode works on is the development for Ron and Hana, everything else ranged from passe to dull. Which is disappointing cause I feel a final showdown with Monkey Fist has so much rich potential. But the layers of depth aren't exactly found here in this EPIC, compared to the layers in something like So The Drama. Yono, didn't get time to leave a lasting impression because he was introduced so late into the story. Most of the episode comes down to whether Han's ability/inability to carry this episode. I might as well stop and say it right now. I'm not fond of Hana as a warrior, mostly because Ron's feud with Monkey Fist (which has a rich history) got shoved to the wayside just to make Hana useful. Which is mildly understandable given Ron's big moment in the series finale. But my dislike for her in action is for many other reasons than just that. - One, were never given an explanation on where her powers come from, and were never given any backstory on where she came from. At least Ron's MMP had an explanation of where they came from. Hana's powers had no explanation at all, no depth, nothing. The character with the least amount of depth was being made into more important than those around her.
- The other one being is that every time she's in battle she shows no weakness, making her opponents look weak. And Monkey Fist in my opinion deserved a better ending than being beaten easily BY AN INFANT. Monkey Fist was killed in more ways than one in this episode. Why couldn't she have just defeated Yono? Isn't that what she was being trained to do? Monkey Fist being turned to stone seemed fitting, but its not the destination that is so much important as is the journey in getting there. If Monkey Fist were to be defeated for good, Hana jumping on his face would've been at the very bottom of my list of options. After this Hana had worn out her welcome with me, as she turned the #2(and arguably most interesting) villain into a joke.
This episode is decent, but at the same time, its also frustratingly disappointing.
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Post by wolfdog72 on Oct 14, 2007 13:03:33 GMT -5
oh no yono was a really good episode
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Post by kittykax on Nov 30, 2007 3:35:42 GMT -5
You know what I just now realized? Hana's got the "Un-stoppable" pun in her name too, if you call her Han Stoppable ^_^
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Post by frozenfire on Nov 30, 2007 7:39:19 GMT -5
^ yeah... her name was originally supposed to be "Mon", I believe, which still holds the 'unstoppable' pun... and her name is just 'Han' now, BTW, after some Disney exec thought that the name 'Hana' might be taken as 'Hannah Montana', another show on Disney... why some people would think that Han is actually a live action character, we might never know...
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Post by kpfan5678 on Nov 30, 2007 23:16:13 GMT -5
You know what I just now realized? Hana's got the "Un-stoppable" pun in her name too, if you call her Han Stoppable ^_^ True. What a surprise =D
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Post by cadmus on Dec 27, 2007 1:41:45 GMT -5
I've watched this again and this episode gets worse every time I watch it actually. What had the potential to be one of the show's best stories (The coup de grace of Monkey Fist). Turns out to be one of the show's worst episodes. Majority of this episode's problems lies in Hana and her presentation.
When this episode aired I was hoping to get an explanation on where Hana REALLY came from, and what the source of her powers are. Sadly, the depth I got in this episode was lazy at best. People have excused this by saying that we were told that Hana came from Sensei and Yamonuchi, which still doesn't cut it. People like Yori come from Yamonuchi too, but they don't have the same powers Hana does, do they? And after just about every supernatural element on KP was given a decent and convincing enough explanation to ground it in it's own kind of reality, Hana just sticks out like a soar thumb. This show wrote Hana as a dull one note character (w/ no explanation of her powers). Being cute is fine but not when it goes to such extreme measures of shoving Hana down our throats that it demeans all the characters that interacts with her, it becomes tedious to watch. Seriously was there ever a time that Hana looked inferior to Monkey Fist or Yono? No there never was. This episode spends so much time on Hana but tells us so little. Hana comes across as a Mary Sue, a deuce ex machana, a one note character.
And dragging out this episode as a mystery was pointless since this whole episode was coming down to a showdown between Hana and Yono, but when the whole fight becomes ridiculously one sided it becomes anti-climatic. Kim and Ron could've easily figured out where Hana came from by I DON"T KNOW, ASKING RONS PARENTS. Seriously you could've shaved off two minutes and applied it to something useful (like establishing Yono, or learning about Hana's backstory), but really the pacing and depth in this story are dully executed.
But my biggest problem with this episode is that Monkey Fist getting killed off is treated like a complete joke. Monkey Fist, the shows most evil villain deserved better than this abortion of an episode.
Watching Hana defeat both Monkey Fist and Yono, effortlessly, after everyone else fought for their lives, was just nauseating to watch.
Let me repeat this, Monkey Fist(the show's most evil villain) was made to look inferior to a friggin infant. How this garbage got past planning stages is something I'll never know. If she was written to the fact that Monkey Fist uses the fact that she's naive, to take advantage of her, I might of been forgiving, but NO Hana is written to like a GOD that makes every body bend to her will, no matter how demeaning it is to anyone's character. Which is really bad writing in my absolute honest opinion.
There's a few promising points but its lost in a sea of bad story telling. This gets *1/2(out of 5), on the bright side with the show over, I don't have to suffer through anymore episodes focused on Mary Sue Hana Stoppable.
One of the show's worst episode's.
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Post by slicknickshady on Dec 27, 2007 2:26:50 GMT -5
Cadmus i'm beginning to think you are a schtick. It seems like Every single post you make is negative. I just saw it again twice today. I think it's a brilliant episode. It's a cartoon. I did not think it was supposed to be all realistic. You say well how can Hana effortlessly defeat monkeyfist? If you can't have a little suspension of disbelief you are watch the wrong show. Are there really monkey men in the world? Who knows, maybe a baby in real life would effortlessly defeat a monkey man.
I like my shows to be realistic but not every part of especially a disney show can be. I love Phil of the Future. It has a time machine in it. Those don't exist. You have to be able to let the little things go like the time machine in Phil of the future and Hana effortlessly defeating monkeyfist in Kim Possible.
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Post by kittykax on Dec 27, 2007 4:16:12 GMT -5
Here we go -_- This guy is really starting to bug me now...
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