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Post by elvisjj on Jan 29, 2008 0:53:08 GMT -5
Alright another mission accomplished. I was thinking of writing Mr. Aaron Barnhart, but seeing he's not much of a reporter anyways, it would be a sheer waste of my time, as it would be to even waste my time writing to the editor.
A good reporter doesn't just post a letter and say "Give it up" he makes a comment, a side note, anything. "Give it up." Then I guess he should tell that to all those Jericho fans who've just got their show back on Sci-Fi. It airs in February.
And as for my letter. My letters will and always will mention both the Kim Possible and American Dragon side of the issue. As I truly support both shows and want to see both shows get renewed. On top of that, it's an angle I can use to pitch us as not just one of those "SAVE MY SHOW" freaks, as there's so many out there.
Do you guys think we're the only ones trying to save our show? There's hundreds of people out there every day trying to save one show or another and I get people contacting me to help save their shows. So we're nothing special.
What makes us special is an angle, a catch phrase, something that we can draw upon. The hospital and the chocolate campaign is one of them, that I'll be mentioning soon, the KP/ADJL alliance is another. To pitch a story to the media is anything but easy, and ALL OF YOU HERE ARE MORE THEN WELCOME TO TRY. I've posted the media list of media contacts, by all means write to them.
And if your only in favor of Kim Possible, then only write about Kim Possible. Your all entitled to your opinions and where you stand. I took our fight separate in the sense that you all can make up your minds on whether to support American Dragon or not, but if you do, then by all means add to it, if not, then just mention Kim Possible. It's that easy people really.
There's a lot happening, more then anyone can imagine when it comes to Kim Possible and I for one am going to make sure the American Dragons share in that as well.
And as for work, the American Dragons are doing there part, but there numbers are far less then ours. Even our famous ANNA has been hard at work, writing a very nice, and very touching letter to the CBS assignment.
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Post by ArtFan88 on Jan 29, 2008 1:50:27 GMT -5
Alright another mission accomplished. I was thinking of writing Mr. Aaron Barnhart, but seeing he's not much of a reporter anyways, it would be a sheer waste of my time, as it would be to even waste my time writing to the editor. A good reporter doesn't just post a letter and say "Give it up" he makes a comment, a side note, anything. "Give it up." Then I guess he should tell that to all those Jericho fans who've just got their show back on Sci-Fi. It airs in February. And as for my letter. My letters will and always will mention both the Kim Possible and American Dragon side of the issue. As I truly support both shows and want to see both shows get renewed. On top of that, it's an angle I can use to pitch us as not just one of those "SAVE MY SHOW" freaks, as there's so many out there. Do you guys think we're the only ones trying to save our show? There's hundreds of people out there every day trying to save one show or another and I get people contacting me to help save their shows. So we're nothing special. What makes us special is an angle, a catch phrase, something that we can draw upon. The hospital and the chocolate campaign is one of them, that I'll be mentioning soon, the KP/ADJL alliance is another. To pitch a story to the media is anything but easy, and ALL OF YOU HERE ARE MORE THEN WELCOME TO TRY. I've posted the media list of media contacts, by all means write to them. And if your only in favor of Kim Possible, then only write about Kim Possible. Your all entitled to your opinions and where you stand. I took our fight separate in the sense that you all can make up your minds on whether to support American Dragon or not, but if you do, then by all means add to it, if not, then just mention Kim Possible. It's that easy people really. There's a lot happening, more then anyone can imagine when it comes to Kim Possible and I for one am going to make sure the American Dragons share in that as well. And as for work, the American Dragons are doing there part, but there numbers are far less then ours. Even our famous ANNA has been hard at work, writing a very nice, and very touching letter to the CBS assignment. ALL OF YOU HERE ARE MORE THEN WELCOME TO TRY lol, is that a call out? I know there has to be a few fans out there who can put a little extra time in and get some more media attention and dig up more contacts. I think we can all stand to step up more and be more leaders than followers here. Myself included. I know some of us don't have the time, but when free time arises, I think we should all strive to go that extra 115% and increase our chances of winning back KP. As for the alliance, to quote Mr. Barkin, "The center will not hold". I feel there has been plenty of time to prove that theory wrong, but so far, nothing has really come of it. I think that quote holds true now more than ever. I think you're going off flawed logic. Hear me out: The alliance still makes us no different than anyone else out there fighting for a show. What makes you think other people haven't tried this angle before? Or anything major or "different" in trying to achieve their goals? How many of them do you think still won in the end? What exactly makes us so special because we're doing it now? We're not any more special than the other thousands of people out there fighting, it doesn't matter what "angle" we try. The media will always see us as just another fight. Weather KP or ADJL are by themselves, allied, it makes no difference. All we have to go on in the end is our passion and the resolve to not take "no" for an answer. The best we can do is keep our focus on KP and keep fighting, and hope for the best, like every other group out there fighting for a show. What will truly make us stand out is when we win KP back. but for now, we're in the same boat as everyone else. As for letting the dragon fans "share" in our success, I think that shows what I've been saying all along. The fact that they have less numbers means we more or less have to carry them with us, at least in the start, to get them going. And I think a few of them have begun to realise this and take advantage of it. There has to be a few who haven't been doing as much of the work as maybe they should to get the win on their own. This is not to say there aren't those that do fight and fight hard, which I respect. But I just sense that there's a number of them still not pulling their weight. So why then, do we seem to be slowing ourselves down by trying to "share" our momentum? If all the ADJL fans have that same fire in them, that same passion, they could gather there own momentum and stand on their own two feet to get the job done. Numbers wouldn't be as big a factor. That is the sign of a great fight, when a seemingly small group can go on to accomplish major things, and that is what we achieved with season 4 and are achieving with this fight. Why can't they? I feel they have it in them, they just don't take advantage of it. Let me say this then. ADJL fans, I know a few of you are here; you like us must also strive to play a more active role in your fight, go that extra mile for ADJL. Speak your minds, make it known what you want and then go get it, with all the intensity you can muster. If anything, we’ve set an example for you, follow it. You can win a great victory on your own if you’re passionate enough to stand on your own and take it. Those that are fighting hard, ecourage the ones who might not be. Do not become laid back in your fight; you have to fight fierce, probably now more then ever. Don't let anyone carry you and don't let yourselves get proped up with unneccessary alliances or anything of the sort. Fight hard and fight with the same instensity and drive as we do, and maybe you can lead your group to a strong win. And again to the KP fans, we can also strive to step up and and go that extra distance. For KP, everyone: that is what our only focus is, that is what we’re here for. Getting Kim Possible back! Thank you, and have a good evening.
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Post by j1mbafr0sty on Jan 29, 2008 3:03:45 GMT -5
I share the same views too. I fell that I'm not fighting for kp but fighting for both and i dont want that! I wanna fight for JUST kp but even if we say "ok just kp" theirs ppl that STILL put the 2 togeather from our efforts and I dont like that.
Kp is worth saving NOT just because I like it, but its a great show for kids and teaches something and has good values that of which dragon dose not. its boring degrades black culture and hip hop, poor comedy, crap animation, and poor story lines and character development.
I felt this for a long time but when i wanted to say something people where so horny about the aliance.
Now that people have said somthing I think we should part ways. If they want it that bad they wouldnt need help from kp fans from a kp msg bord but from Dragon fans.
This is a kp board so keep it that way. wanna talk or do somthing else then go on the general section or another fourm we don't need others asking for help when where doing somthing over here.
would you ask your friend for money when hes thousands in debt?
think about it
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Post by The Legend that is KPCrusader on Jan 29, 2008 3:57:07 GMT -5
When it comes to this alliance I dont really care anymore. Julius said that if you just wanna fight for KP then only write about KP in your letters and thats what I'm gonna do. No offence to the ADJL fans, but it didnt changed my life, KP did. I didnt search the net for an ADJL site, I searched for a KP one. Many of the members that were here before the talk of an alliance know my story, Julius included, so they know I'm die hard KP all the way.
ADJL hasnt done anything like that for me, it hasnt captured me and to be blatantly honest it strikes me as being immature, more targeted to the younger views. We've been telling people that KP isnt just a show for the younger audience but now we are associating it with a show that doesnt, in my opinion, match it on a maturity scale.
I would rather focus on getting a fifth season and then turn our attention to our brothers, the ADJL fans, where we can then offer our full support. Personally, I think that j1mbafr0sty is being a little to harsh. You may not like ADJL but as a FFFer you should be able to respect their cause as its the same as ours just for their favourite show. You should be able to respect that they are fighting even if you dont like what they are fighting for.
Julius, you and I have been together in this for a long time, since I joined. I may not post as often with regard to the FFF anymore but I'm still here. I didnt mean anything offensive, you want to fight for both and I respect that. You manage to transfer so much passion into your letters while keeping them professional and to the point, something many of us cannot do. I hope that you didnt take my lat post as an insult to you. Nobody here has the right to question how or why you do things, you are the glue of this fight my brother.
I believe that this whole alliance issue has gotten out of hand. Instead of posting ideas on our next media exposure or KP day we are here arguing and debating something that is basically up to every individuals opinion, whether someone wants to fight for both or not shouldnt be such a big issue, we should get on with what needs to be done.
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Post by morefood2001 on Jan 29, 2008 11:33:22 GMT -5
I believe that this whole alliance issue has gotten out of hand. Instead of posting ideas on our next media exposure or KP day we are here arguing and debating something that is basically up to every individuals opinion, whether someone wants to fight for both or not shouldnt be such a big issue, we should get on with what needs to be done. You took my thoughts that I have been hiding for so long right out of my head Thank you
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Post by ArtFan88 on Jan 29, 2008 11:45:19 GMT -5
Never hide your thoughts Phil. Always speek up.
I would agree with most of what Kpcrusader is saying. To add to it, I also feel that we've lost the simplicity that we had before all the BS came to the surface. It has indeed gotten out of hand, but that is why I feel I need to say what I've said.
However I will say I feel all the fighters are the "glue" that keeps the movement together, not just one person.
I'm close to done arguing my points as I've been doing it since day 1 and at this point I'm almost worn out. I've said what's on my mind and I stand by it. I will fight for KP and support the fight in my own way; I'm all for going back to getting the job done and winning back KP.
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Post by tidus on Jan 29, 2008 17:21:46 GMT -5
Kp is worth saving NOT just because I like it, but its a great show for kids and teaches something and has good values that of which dragon dose not. its boring degrades black culture and hip hop, poor comedy, crap animation, and poor story lines and character development. Two points to clarify, the person who voices Jake is in a hip hop group with his brothers, the writers/producers wanted him to incorporate that part of him, and secondly most of the poor comedy and other story development isn't because of the show, it's because of Disney. There has been no two part episodes in ADJL, but there were many episodes planned to be two parters, and many plots and twists about the characters were cut because Disney held it to the same standards as it's kid type sitcom, which is the reason why it aims for the younger people, the producers wanted to get a little more dark with it. Disney wanted the Jake producers/writers to water down the comedy and also the dramatic parts, the Jake you see is largely because of Disney. Now my opinion, I think that not all shows have to teach anything or about having good morals, thats fine for some shows but others are just made to entertain, and let you not think about anything but the show. I like Jake Long and I like KP. There are many differences but at the end of the day they are both good TV shows just in a different way. The reason I don't like this idea is because this alliance isn't necessary, there already was an alliance in a way, it was at Save Disney Shows and still is. Fans there could and can fight for both Jake and KP along with other Disney shows if fans like those shows, and it fits more for the theme then this alliance does. This was the FFF now its the FFFKP and Fight for Three ADJL, same idea but it doesn't fit in the circumstances. If people don't like the forums because of who runs it or whatever, then heres my advice, don't go on the forums, you don't have to, all you have to know are when the Save days are, and just do everything that you need to on those days, it deals with all the drama if you think there is any.
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Post by elvisjj on Jan 29, 2008 22:13:21 GMT -5
No offense taken kpcrusader, as I said. Everyone has the choice to fight for just Kim Possible here or to share in the fight for American Dragon.
This should not split the cause, as we're on the right track. Actually we've accomplished more then anyone could have dreamed off, and we've ONLY BEGUN TO FIGHT.
There's still several things we must do, and we must coincentrate all our efforts on that, as that will accomplish our goal to bring back Kim Possible.
And j1mbafr0sty, as I've mentioned so many times before. Your a KP fan and we appreciate that. So just focus all your attention onto KP period, forgot the American Dragon side as if you don't like the show and don't believe in it. Then don't fight for it. But you believe in Kim Possible, so fight for her. All your efforts should be focused on Kim Possible as that's your goal and our goal as well.
And as for American Dragon, it was Disney that made it what you see. It was toned down because of Disney, including the exiting of Rose was because of Disney executives. So it's not American Dragon or the producers fault for what it became. The producers fought for creative control and lost to Disney, typical as usual.
The next Kim Possible days will be the 7th, which is a given and the 10th, So that's Thursday February 7th and Sunday February 10th.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2008 22:43:33 GMT -5
I suppose that's fair enough, Julius. It's pretty obvious that you made a decision about the situation and you're going to stick by it. While I still believe the fight looses momentum since your letters (seemingly the only ones to get noticed) no longer have a primary emphasis on saving KP, I might as well just stop debating about it to focus on what really matters.
My mail will continue to be centered around KP. And I'm still working on my letter that will be sent to the CBS reporter. It's taking a little longer than expected because of school and work, but it will be finished shortly.
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Post by The Legend that is KPCrusader on Jan 30, 2008 1:37:15 GMT -5
Glad to hear theres no hard feelings Julius. Arguing here is pointless and, as Artfan88 said, is only managing to wear people out. Lets get back to fighting for our cause, now whether you feel that is just for KP or for both shows is up to. More fighting needs to be done, fighting for our shows and not about which shows we should fight for.
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Post by jamesburningstorm on Jan 30, 2008 18:09:03 GMT -5
yep, agreed. Its nice to see people respect each others opinions and let them get on with what they want to do; it says something about how much this wholething has grown. its excellent
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Post by Tylazene on Jan 31, 2008 13:58:25 GMT -5
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Post by lordvictorino on Jan 31, 2008 17:32:14 GMT -5
Hi Tylazene, Well at lease Kim Possible is getting meantioned a lot. Kim Possible has raised the bar when it comes to Disney Amimated Shows on Disney Channel. So, every show that comes out is going to be comapared for better or worst to Kim Possible. Which IMO, is a good thing. Please and Thank You, Tony M. Victorino
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Post by j1mbafr0sty on Feb 1, 2008 2:47:26 GMT -5
I concour!
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Post by KRfan on Feb 2, 2008 8:07:35 GMT -5
Disney Channel is getting desperate! They're adding some spy thing into Phineas and Ferb. If nothing can match KP, then it's over for Disney Channel animation.
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Post by jamesburningstorm on Feb 2, 2008 11:23:48 GMT -5
then all the more reason for them to bring kp back, its nominated again (and might win) which will surely make them think about what they're doing
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Post by j1mbafr0sty on Feb 2, 2008 23:52:07 GMT -5
Sorry to sound dumb but nominated for what? and who's giving the nod?
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Post by lordvictorino on Feb 3, 2008 0:24:17 GMT -5
Sorry to sound dumb but nominated for what? and who's giving the nod? Hi j1mbafr0sty, Kim Possible is nominated for an Annie Award! Isn't that Kim Possible's middle name? The Best Animated Television Production nominees this year are “Creature Comforts America” from Aardman Animations, “Jane and the Dragon” from Weta Productions Limited & Nelvana Limited, “Kim Possible” from Walt Disney Television Animation, as well as “Moral Orel” and “Robot Chicken Star Wars” from ShadowMachine. For more Info. go here: www.annieawards.org/Please and Thank You, Tony M. Victorino
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Post by manofevil on Feb 3, 2008 0:26:40 GMT -5
COOL!!! COOL!!! COOL!!! Would our votes count for anything?
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Post by j1mbafr0sty on Feb 3, 2008 1:29:44 GMT -5
Thanks Lord!
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