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Post by millinniummany3k on May 23, 2010 15:51:08 GMT -5
If you had something worthwhile in life why then do you need to troll?
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Post by Zephyr on May 23, 2010 16:47:56 GMT -5
Because it's fun. And because you guys' plan of attack irks the crap out of me. May your account finally rest in peace.
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Post by Nightspade on May 23, 2010 23:55:06 GMT -5
May your account finally rest in peace. This. Also I'm sad that I wasn't here to see it, why'd he quit?
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Post by imipak on May 25, 2010 11:44:53 GMT -5
Do not feed the trolls. It makes them soggy and hard to light.
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Post by Zephyr on May 25, 2010 18:37:52 GMT -5
Do not feed the trolls. It makes them soggy and hard to light. ? I am not sure of you're meaning here, sir. Doth thou or jest, or doth thou wish of fisticuffs?!
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Post by Muzzlehatch on May 25, 2010 20:49:59 GMT -5
Welcome to RSRNP, imipak. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. You must be cautious.
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Post by Nightspade on May 25, 2010 20:55:51 GMT -5
lol, true dat.
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Post by Nightspade on May 25, 2010 21:00:05 GMT -5
Actually, I'm pretty sure 4chan's /b/ has us beat.
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Post by Zephyr on May 25, 2010 21:55:14 GMT -5
Yeah we're not porn addicts...
...or at least everybody else isn't.
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Post by manofevil on May 26, 2010 0:54:17 GMT -5
Ummm.......................
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Post by imipak on May 26, 2010 2:05:19 GMT -5
Welcome to RSRNP, imipak. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. You must be cautious. Thank you, Sir Muzzlehatch. But actually, I used to be on USENET a lot and most of my brain is still intact. (Well, those parts of the brain involved in remembering Unix "fortune cookie" quotes, anyways.) And, actually, I think Kuro5hin has RSRPN beat on scum and villainy. RSRPN is much closer to Hoth (mostly frozen solid with bursts of frantic activity from rebel holdouts) than some dingy spaceport. Actually, that might make for a good thread in its own right - which aspects of KP fandom map to which aspects of Star Wars? I might have to start that.
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Post by imipak on May 26, 2010 2:07:37 GMT -5
Do not feed the trolls. It makes them soggy and hard to light. ? I am not sure of you're meaning here, sir. Doth thou or jest, or doth thou wish of fisticuffs?! *gets out his Viking sword, shield, chainmail armor, arming cap, coif, helmet* *slowly falls over backwards under the weight*
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Post by manofevil on Jun 1, 2010 6:14:26 GMT -5
Actually, I think you and Nghtspade are right. The fight for five had lost a lot of it's lusture, no doubt thanks in large to the trolling efforts in you two, and fans seem disinterested in fighting for a fifth season. That does not however give you two license to infringe upon the right of those who do want a fifth season, nor does it mean those who want a fifth season are a target. Now you might think trolling is cool, it makes you badass, it's funny, but the truth is it's none of those things. The truth is it makes you pathetic. It makes people think how sad you must be to post images to upset others. Now you don't have some mental condition that compels you to hurt others do you? You don't have some problem that makes you unable to resist the urge to troll? If two trolls were solely responsible for taking the piss out of your movement than it was doomed from the get go. I am not a badass because I troll, I am badass therefore I troll. Also, you said that trolling makes me pathetic. Let's pretend that I am pathetic. If that were the case than whether I trolled or not I would still be pathetic. Actions don't cause a person to go from pathetic to worthwhile, a person's nature determines their actions. Like you. You want to be some great hero or leader in this doomed FFF, that's why you constantly try to butt heads with me even though you will repeatedly fail. Your desire to stand up to me comes from your own narcissist nature, it doesn't decide what you are but rather is a product of who you are. Or should I say what you see yourself as. You think you're validating yourself and your group by arguing with someone on the Internet because I can give you a less generic and more varied (thus more satisfying) response than, say, the generic form letters you guys get from Disney; when they aren't out right ignoring you that is. You keep coming back because you love this. It excites you, the chance to prove the troll wrong, the chance to be the 'hero' and an inspiration, a rallying point, to the FFF. But the truth is you can't disprove me. No matter what fallacy you may conjure up or two sentence response you may spam, it will not win this for you. For you see my dear friend, I state the reality of the situation. And the simple facts are as thus. Kim Possible ended in 2007. The production crew disbanded and went their separate ways on to newer projects that they're making money off of. Disney has shown no interest in reviving Kim Possible and indeed seems content with the Billions of dollars they're making now. Go figure, right? You guys keep thinking that you're either great enough in number to persuade Disney to renew a canceled show or seem to (bafflingly) believe that you are greater in number than what you really are. Don't believe me? Here, let me explain it this way. Go to any SaveKP fansite you can. Don't look at the number of overall member, look at the number of active members, for they are the ones that will take a part in the campaign. How many of them are there, at most twenty? Even that's a little generous, but even if it were forty it still would be horribly small. How often do they sign on? Participate in the community even? Go and take a count. How about the Facebook group, over a hundred members? Still not good enough, there are millions of people in the USA and billions in the world. Now I know that writers usually aren't known for their understanding of scale or math (not saying that to insult you, and it's not really meant to be derogatory, just sayin') but here's the fact of the matter. One hundred people is like a drop of water in the ocean. Insignificant. Meaningless. You lack the man power to pull this off. Don't try to deny it, you can't ignorantly turn away from this. The Fight for Five is doomed to failure. Not just because of a lack of man power, Creator interest, or people on the internet. No, the Fight for Five failed as soon as it began. Arrogant, persistent fools who for whatever reason were ungrateful for the fact that we even managed to get a fourth season. The avaricious lot wanted more because they claimed that the ending was 'dissatisfying.' That ending the high school story was not enough. When the entire premise of the show was a high school story! These same people wouldn't be satisfied even if they followed her all the way through college and into her adult life. They'd stick around until she really did canonically die, and then start stalking her offspring. The level of obsession is horrifying. In his own Nancy Grace-ian way, old Shpadey has raised an important point. Our ranks are rather thin these days. We need to get more people involved... and I think I know where to look. When I first learned they were cancelling KP, I wasn't a member of this board and had no idea of its existance. Having no cable TV, I have no Disney Channel. I had been watching as many eps as I could find on youtube-and on youtube, people can leave comments. On my own I sent messages to over 100 commentors(I went back and counted) and directed them to the savekp website. here are some of the responses I got: evilcs wrote: Thanx. I'll do whatever I can and round up as many as I can up here. KP FOREVER! Minttuska wrote: Hey, that's not a bad idea Ok, I'll write tho them, thanks dude IARGIROI wrote: I am really sorry but i am from Cyprus and there is nothing i can do.Sorry i really wanna help but i can't do anyting Sorry to which I responded: You can write an email if you have an email address. The site I listed has a whole bunch of email addresses of people involved in Kim Possible. It even gives suggestions of what content a writer should include. Letters from Cyprus would show them that Kim Possible is a worldwide phenomena. Like Pokemon or The Simpsons. Give it a try. IARGIROI responded: Ok I Will Do My best!!! So you see we can get other people involved as there are still many commentors on youtube and every episode is posted. We have to make a point though, of NOT SPAMMING ANY OF THEM. I did and it was greatly appreciated. I don't think they'd mind getting messages from several of us but they don't want several messages from one of us. I think it's time for a recruitment drive guys and here's the place to do it.
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Post by elvisjj on Jun 6, 2010 18:49:35 GMT -5
Trolls? Don't they like live under bridges? Then again this is RS.net so I guess trolls can live anywhere they want here.
And I'm sure it was just temporary with Kim, as Kim is still popular and Disney knows that. It's just Disney's direction is away from Kim as Disney likes to dictate the rules and not be dictated too. That's why they refuse to listen to the fans as it's Disney's way or the highway. And that's why the Fight For Five is still here cause this will be a David and Goliath battle and we know who won that in the end.
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Post by Nightspade on Jun 6, 2010 19:06:52 GMT -5
Trolls? Don't they like live under bridges? Then again this is RS.net so I guess trolls can live anywhere they want here. And I'm sure it was just temporary with Kim, as Kim is still popular and Disney knows that. It's just Disney's direction is away from Kim as Disney likes to dictate the rules and not be dictated too. That's why they refuse to listen to the fans as it's Disney's way or the highway. And that's why the Fight For Five is still here cause this will be a David and Goliath battle and we know who won that in the end. PROTIP: David killed Goliath. If you kill Disney, you can kiss KP good bye. You can also say bye to your freedom too cause murderers go to jail. Say hi to Bubba McRapesalot for me.
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Post by imipak on Jun 8, 2010 19:11:16 GMT -5
(snip)PROTIP: David killed Goliath. If you kill Disney, you can kiss KP good bye.(snip) I mentioned The Avengers in another post. Let's see... first created by the British company known as ABC studios (no relation to the US ABC, and it no longer exists). It was then bought by Thames TV (no longer exists). It was then taken over by Luminaire (not sure if they exist, but they melted some of the master tapes due to incompetence). It's now owned by A&E and ITC. Three changes-of-hands, at least two of which were involuntary, and was still strong enough to secure a movie deal. Disney is quite capable of selling the KP franchise (if they so wished). Indeed, if KP had so little value to Disney, don't you think they do that in a heartbeat? There's going to be investors out there - however nuts you or I would regard them - that would pay just as much or more for total ownership of the KP label than Disney is ever likely to see. It hasn't happened. It isn't even rumored to be remotely likely. Yet... The Disney board of directors aren't so keen on art for art's sake that they'd hold onto something they no longer wanted, and if they stood to get serious profit beyond what KP is worth from such a sale, I've absolutely no doubt they'd salivate at the thought. So how does one reconcile these? How does one explain, especially in a time when money is short and options are long, why Disney is opting to keep the series to themselves over and above any immediate benefit to them or their shareholders? If you have an answer, a clear answer, an answer that would hold up to inspection better than one that says Disney sees KP as a perfectly adequate money-maker, I'm more than happy to listen. I don't doubt your sincerity and it is entirely possible you have seen something I have not. That does happen. If you've noticed, I tend to post long. Here and any other board I am on. That's because I prefer people to have confidence in whether they accept or reject what I've said. It's not possible to have confidence in agreeing or disagreeing with a soundbite. Soundbites are nice, short, concise and mean whatever the reader wants them to mean. That makes them next-to-useless for debate, because nobody knows what the debate is even about. I don't expect, or ask, you or anyone else to be equally verbose, but I do need something a bit meatier than "because" if I'm going to understand why you think what you think, or decide whether or not you have a point. Of course, since I'm relatively new here and the Internet adds a massive degree of disconnect and dissonance, there's absolutely no reason for you to care what I think. But like it or not, I do care what you think and I simply cannot know what that is unless you say.
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Post by Nightspade on Jun 9, 2010 14:50:44 GMT -5
I'm just saying that as the owner of the Kim Possible intellectual property, Disney retains full rights to do whatever they want with it. Just like Fillmore, Llyod in Space, the Weekenders, Recess, and so forth. If they want to just hold on to the rights than they'll do just that, if they want to sell than they'll do that. But whether they did something else with the franchise or sold it I sincerly doubt they'd see enough of a profit to warrant the man power and financial effort needed.
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Post by imipak on Jun 9, 2010 21:47:52 GMT -5
I'm just saying that as the owner of the Kim Possible intellectual property, Disney retains full rights to do whatever they want with it. Just like Fillmore, Llyod in Space, the Weekenders, Recess, and so forth. If they want to just hold on to the rights than they'll do just that, if they want to sell than they'll do that. But whether they did something else with the franchise or sold it I sincerly doubt they'd see enough of a profit to warrant the man power and financial effort needed. It takes more manpower to sell the rights to the franchise than it takes to read through the mail they get on it? Or to run the KP section in Disney World? I'm impressed. Actually, all it would take is for them to bundle it with any franchise they are already selling OR jointly making with someone else, and it would take them no people at all. Ok, maybe one to collect the master tapes from the archives and put them in a box. Not sure that is terribly hard work, though. Of course, if the destination is a company that already has broadcast copies (an overseas studio, for example, that runs the series) then they don't even need to do that.
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Post by Nightspade on Jun 10, 2010 1:02:10 GMT -5
It takes more manpower to sell the rights to the franchise than it takes to read through the mail they get on it? Or to run the KP section in Disney World? Yeah, you'd be surprised how many expensive union lawyers you need to do that.
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Post by imipak on Jun 10, 2010 2:14:25 GMT -5
Walt Disney kicked out the unions personally, and I seriously doubt Rufus has an Equity card. Besides, this is not really a union issue. So long as union-negotiated agreements regarding royalties are transferred in their entirety (and why is the US, which is a republic, so het up on anything to do with royalty anyway?) and any further labor agreements are negotiated in good faith based on standard practices, I can't see the unions giving a darn who pays their members, so long as they get paid.
Mind you, I'm from Britain, where decency isn't a four-letter word. It's actually a seven-letter word. I really think the studios (and the American unions, for that matter) might want to give it a try. Y'know, for a change, like.
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