soyokaze14
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Post by soyokaze14 on Sept 11, 2005 2:59:42 GMT -5
Ok, now that I’ve got time lets see what I got for this episode. I should probably start by saying that this is one of my favorite "development of Kim’s character" episodes. We know Kim and Ron are close, but in this episode we see just how desperately Kim needs to be around Ron, at least for now. First off, the famous "Friday is Ron night" scene: The scene opens with Kim getting a call from Ron and immediately asking what the plan was while looking at outfits to wear; she’s all smiles and says she wants to go to a different place than their usual "hang out" spot, perhaps a hint to go to a more "date" place? She even suggests a movie he might like to see.....well, I think we all get the surprise, disappointment, resentment, and jealousy on the part of Kim when Ron tells her he has other plans. Plans? On a Friday? YOU?You’d rather spend FRIDAY night mindlessly slaughtering video zombies than with me?....EXPLAAINI think there are a few more things we should look at here. At the very beginning of the scene, right before Kim picks up the phone we see her drop her backpack on the floor. Given she’s wearing normal clothes we can probably assume she just got home from school (where she presumably spent most of her free time with Ron already), and she’s already asking what they’ll do when they see each other again later that same day.......wow, she really monopolizes Ron doesn’t she? But before we think of our boy as some sort of victim here (poor Ron, having to spend all his time with a girl....), lets look at the scene from his side. Um, KP I sort of.... made plans alreadyLooking at him squirm as he tries to tell Kim he has other plans I get the impression that even though they hadn’t planned anything yet, he was feeling guilty about letting Kim down (he even tries to put a positive spin on it by bringing up it’s for charity!). This is interesting because it shows he knows its expected of him to spend his Friday nights with Kim, which would then imply it happens every Friday, which would then mean he’s OK and happy with it. Short version: she likes to have him close all the time (also makes keeping an eye on him easier), and he likes to be close to her too. So, what happened? Did fighting video zombies with his bud to get ready for Zombiepalooza beat out Kim’s company? The answer is yes; after all, Zombiepalooza doesn’t happen everyday. I think Ron would have acted the same way whether he and Kim had been an "official" couple or not. Moving on.... While Felix and Ron are playing video games, Felix asks Ron if Kim was coming over, and Ron says she’s not into video games. Meaning......even to their friends it seems that wherever one goes the other follows. It also shows Ron knows Kim is not into video games (this will be important later when she tries to get into them). Followed by: I’m sooo pathetic....Whereby we see Kim go to extreme measures (calling cousin Larry!?!? assembling the cheer squad!?!?) to try to get something going so as not to spend Friday night alone with nothing to do. Desperate times indeed, it almost seems that fate threw her a bone with the break in at Planet Tool; where she gets beaten by Drakken and Motor Ed. All the disappointments of the day lead her to conclude that it was the "worst Friday EVER". Cut to Monday where we see Kim and Ron talking about the weekend. When Ron approaches and starts to talk to her she’s all smiles again, but then puts on a disconcerted face when he expresses how awesome his weekend was. Kim: How was your weekend (without me)? ... Ron: Two words, BOO-YAHH!!I think she didn’t expect him to have such a good time without her. In fact her face goes from disconcerted to downright sad as he starts to act out how awesome his weekend was. Kim then gets happy again because she assumes everything will be back to normal (they’ll spend lunch together and he’ll tell her all about his weekend, boring as it may seem to her-definite girlfriend behavior here); but alas, it is not to be as the boys need to "stay frosty". I can’t have lunch with you, I have to "stay frosty"Before going into how Kim was completely in denial about anything being wrong there’s something else we need to look at. Ron didn’t just skip on Friday night with Kim, he didn’t talk with or see her at all during the weekend, otherwise she would already know all about his weekend, and he wouldn’t have merely "heard" about the events at Planet Tool. This lack of communication for an entire weekend is significant given what we know about how these two are constantly in touch with each other. Poor Kim! After an entire Ronless weekend her being upset makes perfect sense (not to mention that to her it seems that a Kimless weekend had zero effect on Ron). Getting back on track... After Ron and Felix walk off Monique shows up and talks to Kim about the jealousy Kim feels of the time Ron spends with Felix. Naturally, Kim responds by saying that nothing is wrong, and that in fact it’s her that’s too busy for Ron (denial, denial, denial). Next we see Ron and Felix hanging out, leaving Kim feeling left out. In fact she feels so left out that she actually overcomes her self denial and admits to herself that something is wrong, has this happened before? In a time span of less than a school day no less? By Monique’s suggestion Kim tries to join in with the guys, in order to reinsert herself into Ron’s life. For this she does very un-Kim things like playing video games (even enjoying it a bit), going to the "cage bats", devouring food and even changing her look, and we all know how important it is for her to be "in-style" Totally not my look, but if that’s what it takes....got to remember to smile nowYou have to admit, trying to fit into someone’s life is something couples (or those interested in becoming one, see Vir-tu-ron) tend to do. Finally, the look she gave him when she found out about the cheat codes seems to me to be exactly the same look she gives him in Grudge Match, and The Fearless Ferret...(albeit with some minor stylistic differences). Busted...now you have to shareYou can’t lie to meWhy do you even bother to try to hide things I want to know about you, from me...It’s almost like she’s saying: "It’s cute when you try to hide things from me, but we both know it won’t work. I know you too well...." Keep in mind though, when he’s obviously trying to hide something about another girl, Kim’s stare completely changes (we’ll see that later) On a side note: Being Ronless for a few days caused a personal crisis for Kim; which just begs the following questions: just how emotionally dependent is Kim on Ron? (I think this is related to, but is not the same as, how she feels about him), and just how insecure is Kim? I think Kim is much more dependent on Ron than I had previously considered, she even has trouble accepting there are parts of Ron’s life that she’s not a part of. Maybe this is something that spilled over from their "professional" life? She may have trouble accepting his contributions on a conscious level, but subconsciously she’s come to accept she needs him. Add to this that he is constantly supportive of her, and truly believes in her whether in school or on a mission; and it could all translate into a need to have him nearby all the time (not that he seems to mind...). Maybe the creators of the show were trying to show a parallel to ASiT, but to a much lesser degree? Something like "yeah, we know it all got washed into the time stream, but the bonds that tie the main characters are there". Who knows? As to how insecure she is...well, I’m not sure. That is a tougher question. What I can say is that Ron is a constant source of reassurance. End side note End of an overly long and verbose post.
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Post by Aers (That Writer Chick) on Sept 11, 2005 10:37:37 GMT -5
It's pretty obvious by this ep that Kim's also making herself unavailable to any other guy even daring to WANT to date her.
First, she's automatically busy every Friday night - and woe betide the guy who probably dares to call and ask where she is, 'cause the Possible elders are going to answer "She's at Ron's" and thus cancel that thought before it starts.
Second, her "moopy" attitude when she's not around Ron, even at school, would be sending off major signals to any and all around her. Monique picks up on this almost instantly and I doubt Kim was a bundle of joy for anyone else around her in those classes where Ron wasn't paying attention to her. If Felix were female, I daresay that Kim would have been putting some sort of smackdown on her or planning something to get Ron away like a sudden "mission" or the like.
It's plain to see even BEFORE ES that here Kim and Ron are a couple, whether they admit it or not. And that everyone ELSE around them is also acknowledging them as a couple, whether Kim and Ron want to believe it or not. Monique and Felix aside, there's no one who's going to dare interfere with this duo.
Until Eric, of course.
and we know what happens to HIM...
heh, heh...
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Post by cloudmonet on Sept 11, 2005 11:23:24 GMT -5
Oh, that's excellent, soyakaze 14, and of course, Aers. Long analyses are the whole point of this thread. I guess I was wrong about us being through with "Steal Wheels." But the thread was dropping fast to page 2, with no posts at all in more than a day, so I thought-- but I was wrong.
At this point in her life, Kim does seem totally insecure about being Ronless. This isn't a crush like Josh, but something deeper, wider, more meaningful, and impossible to box off and separate, to allow the rest of her life to remain familiar and comfortable.
For once, Kim is telling Ron what she feels-- okay, not to the point of grabbing him, kissing him, and saying, "I love you, silly, now let's dress up and go out to dinner at a really nice place, okay?" but what she does say seems to mean exactly that.
Maybe Ron was so hurt by "Blush" that he really does want to just be friends with Kim. This episode and the next make it look that way. Trouble is, this "platonic" friendship can't go on as it is. Kim wants some romance, preferably from Ron, I think, but if he won't give it to her she will look somewhere else, and then Ron can't be as close to her as whoever the boyfriend will be.
So why is Ron reluctant to play leading man? Does he think he can't? His behavior whenever any girl starts flirting with him suggests he's quite willing to be someone else's boyfriend. Why not Kim's?
The next episode will perform the experiment. Kim will grab Ron, kiss him, and wear a jaw-drop-inducing dress to their next date. Ron's reactions will offer possible answers to my questions above, but only ambiguously, since the sitch he's responding to clearly feels unnatural and rather frightening.
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Post by chaosgeorge on Sept 11, 2005 11:32:37 GMT -5
u ppl think 2 much
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Post by Aers (That Writer Chick) on Sept 11, 2005 11:56:18 GMT -5
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Post by chaosgeorge on Sept 11, 2005 11:58:04 GMT -5
UM OK THEN...
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Post by Aers (That Writer Chick) on Sept 11, 2005 13:32:20 GMT -5
Trouble is, this "platonic" friendship can't go on as it is. Kim wants some romance, preferably from Ron, I think, but if he won't give it to her she will look somewhere else, and then Ron can't be as close to her as whoever the boyfriend will be. which eventually leads to the Eric Experiment - with Kim basing her lack of luck with da boys on her crimefighting skills when it's pretty obvious in THIS ep that it's more that she's shutting down all of her other options to focus on Ron, albeit it subconsciously... Ron, I think, has a big problem with making Da Moves in almost all his relationships - from trying to ask Zita out (and spending thousands on movie tickets!) to finally wimping out on Prom Night and ending up alone at BN, he really has a problem talking about his feelings. Let's face it, if it weren't for the Diablos he would have allowed Kim to stay at the Prom with Eric and the entire Revelation wouldn't have happened in the BN storage room. Another part might just be that they're BOTH so secure in their friendship that they're INsecure in their romance... at this point and definitely in ES everyone perceives them as a couple and they act like one - but are both in such denial as to make one wonder if Rufus is the smartest one around...
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Post by cloudmonet on Sept 11, 2005 13:57:46 GMT -5
I kind of think he made the right decision there, though it's debatable. "Total flameout" was a very real possibility, I think, and not a good result. Let's face it, at that moment, there really wasn't any course of action open to Ron that would lead to the desired result. Biding his time was maybe the best thing he could have done. He certainly stepped up immediately the moment an opportunity presented itself, and the rest is romance!
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Post by Porphyria_Kris on Sept 11, 2005 15:14:51 GMT -5
Another part might just be that they're BOTH so secure in their friendship that they're INsecure in their romance... at this point and definitely in ES everyone perceives them as a couple and they act like one - but are both in such denial as to make one wonder if Rufus is the smartest one around... That's one of the things about starting relationships with good friends... you develop this comfort zone that is really scary to break out of. Cloudmonet also brings up a good point... biding his time did work for Ron. I've seen friendships that turned into relationships that didn't work out because neither party was ready/ mature enough for it yet. If Kim and Ron had gotten together much earlier than they did it might have crashed and burned because the timing of one or the other would have been off. In a situation like this you eventually have to say something... the hard thing is knowing WHEN to say it.
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Post by cloudmonet on Sept 11, 2005 21:21:07 GMT -5
It does seem, now that I think of it, that there was a certain comfort zone take-each-other-for-granted quality about the K/R friendship/couple as of "Steal Wheels" time that might not have translated into the best possible relationship. You wouldn't want Ron ignoring Kim like that once they actually are fully in the romance zone. After "So the Drama," I think Ron's much less likely to make this mistake, and Kim's in a zone to appreciate what he does for her much more as well.
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Post by cloudmonet on Sept 12, 2005 1:16:23 GMT -5
Emotion Sickness Take one. It's gonna take all of us to get to the heart of this one. So we leave "Steal Wheels" with the notion that Kim's got something less intense than a crush but deeper, wider, and harder to ignore about Ron Stoppable, while he's being Mr. Platonic, a trend that started with the hug at the end of "Exchange," which didn't lead to real closeness because of Ron's vow of silence re Yamanouchi school. We open "Emotion Sickness" with a burning bridge: Josh Mankey is walking around arm in arm with Tara, and Kim's not upset. In fact, she was probably over Mankey by the time of the Hirotaka thing in "Exchange," but did she tell Ron? Guess not. She's telling him now, and he's not believing her. Kim (and Wade) think Ron knows that Tara used to like him, and expect him to be upset. Huh? The only sign of this I ever saw was "Sink or Swim," a long time ago. Why would Kim think Ron would know this? Or is she playing some head game with him? Tara used to like you, you didn't notice. I like you now, you're not noticing. With "Steal Wheels" in mind, this may be possible, though I don't know how likely it is. Just looking at the baseline condition presented in the opening scene of "Emotion Sickness" itself, not so much closeness. Is Kim, disappointed with Ron again, pulling back? Or are we just not seeing a Friday night? Enter the moodulators. Why would Cyrus Bortle make two moodulators respond identically to one remote control? What purpose could this serve the government agencies Bortle wants to sell them to? Kinda scary actually. And a button pushed in Middleton affects Shego, thousands of miles away in Drakken's Caribbean lair. That's one strong remote control signal! We see Kim and Shego simultaneously and randomly go through a series of strong emotions, despair, anger, suspicion, perkiness, which are applied to the sitch at hand, however inappropriate. An interesting detail: Kim's already in school, when Mom takes the control from the tweebs, who are still at home, and switches it from anger to love, where it will stay for some time. Which brings us to a much debated question: does the moodulator intensify love that's already there-- Kim for Ron, Shego for Drakken-- or like a classic love potion, does it make you love whoever's nearby when it kicks in? I don't have a clear and certain answer to this yet, but maybe one will pop up when we see what happens when love is switched off. In the Pepe Le Pew comedy that follows, Shego actually has better luck with Drakken than Kim has with Ron, at least at first. Shego's frolicking with Drakken in the park. Are they in Middleton now? How and why did they get there? Meanwhile, Kim is trying to get a panicked Ron to slow down enough so she can talk to him. Well, Ron, a few episodes later, you'll complain that girls never just tell you what they feel, and here's one, THE one in fact, making it totally obvious, and you're so running away. Why? The best answer I can come up with is that Kim's behavior has been unnatural ever since they left Bortle's lab. The girl who's coming on to Ron so hot and heavy doesn't seem quite like his best friend Kim. Who is she anyway? Suddenly she seems like a stranger, and he's not sure he can believe anything she says or does. Her heartbreak over Mankey has pushed her over the edge. Still, by the time Kim asks Ron for a date and kisses him, she seems a bit less out of character. Would you ask questions? I wouldn't. I'd just go with this. Why doesn't Ron? We have the extremely odd spectacle of Ron in Barkin's house (why Barkin?), talking to himself about the pros and cons of dating Kim, and finally concluding it would endanger the friendship. I'm going to repeat a line from "Grudge Match"-- Ron, you're thinking too much! In the entirety of the show, this is arguably the dumbest decision Ron ever makes. I'm going to break up with her, because I'm afraid if we start dating, we'll break up. Huh? And he doesn't waver, doesn't reconsider, even when moodulated Kim seems to be having a good time with him at the fair. How do we even reconcile this with Ron's big smile after the locker kiss? Is he just "green and freaked" as Monique said? Our major lady's man, confronted with the love of his life being totally upfront, has cold feet. There are mysteries about the psychology of Ron that I may need some help figuring out. Ron has the moodulator control in his pocket now, and it starts flipping channels. Let's watch what happens to Kim carefully. She gets switched to laughter, anger, and tears, in that order, but somehow assimilates this into a scenario that makes sense. She's turned off love, but the love doesn't exactly disappear, but turns to heartbreak as Ron tries to break up with her. Then Drakken gets ahold of the moodulator, intensifies it with the accelerator thing, and fries the circuits, locking both Kim and Shego in rage. Again, there's some continuity. Kim's enraged because Ron broke up with her, Shego's enraged because Drakken didn't comfort her while she was weeping. And they're both enraged to murderous extremes. One can expect anything bad from an angry Shego, but Kim's relentless. It almost looks like she's gonna keep beating Ron till she kills him. But then an accident occurs. Kim throws Ron at Shego, who gets angry at Ron for bumping her and pauses her attack on Drakken to zap Ron's belt with plasma so his pants fall down! Ron cries out to Kim for help, Kim, who's been beating him relentlessly. Shego's not exactly pressing an attack on him. At this point Kim's natural emotions are somehow overwhelming the moodulator! Its little display screen cracks, and she pulls it off. When exactly did she learn what and where it was? Now watch what Kim does carefully. She lets Ron continue in fear for a moment, then shows him the moodulator and says, "So not the drama." Then she strikes a sexy looking pose, flips the moodulator in the air like a coin, and warns Drakken to beware of Shego, who appears, blasting Drakken repeatedly as he runs out of town. "So the crushing on me, that was all moodulator," Ron says. "Not everything. There's still fireworks," Kim says cryptically, pointing at some real fireworks in the sky. I think I know what's happening here. Kim actually is annoyed and disappointed at Ron for breaking up with her, but understands his confusion at the whole experience. I think she has a plan: I'm gonna make you notice me, I'm gonna make you want me, and I'm not gonna make it easy for you again. Whether she makes it a little too difficult is debatable. And now Ron's shaken out of his platonic complacency, a bit too late, having second thoughts about the kiss, and Kim, and what might be his right now if he hadn't panicked.
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Post by kpmuppets on Sept 12, 2005 3:13:24 GMT -5
>>I think she has a plan: I'm gonna make you notice me, I'm gonna make you want me, and I'm not gonna make it easy for you again.<<
Nice. Or ouch. ;D
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Post by rockas on Sept 12, 2005 3:51:20 GMT -5
OoOoOoO.... Fascinating Indeed!
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Post by GnuHopper on Sept 12, 2005 7:59:00 GMT -5
Interesting analysis CM. I'll want to put up some comments of my own, but unfortunately don't have time before heading out to work (where they frown on me devoting time to writing long internet posts). Anyway, I hope to have something to add by tonight.
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Post by Aers (That Writer Chick) on Sept 12, 2005 11:06:06 GMT -5
I'll take a different spin on things here, just to be ornery...
I think that both Kim and Ron were surprised/shocked/scared by the entire event and reacted like they had both touched live wires... and backed off to the point that they dance around each other until StD...
first, Kim's dealing with some MAJOR emotional rushes here - PMS has nothing on her mood swings and inside she's got to be wondering about her loss of self-control. Remember, she's been able to put a pretty tight lid on her feelings up to this point for almost everything, even when she's in a bad sitch or worried about family and friends. Suddenly she's an open book, gushing in public and wincing inside as she races around the school like a giddy fool chasing Ron - and don't even start to think about how she must feel being so cute in front of Bonnie!
At the end she regains her composure enough to crack a cute joke in front of Ron about the fireworks, but she's got to be dealing with some major emotional issues when she gets alone and remembers all the stuff she's done in that single day. Not to mention having to go BACK to school the next day and strut her stuff after being so outwards with her feelings towards Ron. I'm sure Bonnie wasn't so fast to forget all the cute moves in those classes they share.
Ron wasn't so much burnt here, but still got to see a side of Kim (and her family) that he had only thought about - the threat from Dr. P. wasn't as bad as seeing what Kim could do if she really went "bad" - almost a twist on the "Bad Boy" theme where we see what an enraged KP can do if she really puts her mind to it and wants to hurt someone. He's in shock at seeing the emotional rollercoaster Kim can be placed on when all her restraints are yanked away and rightfully so - anyone in a relationship can tell you that it's a rather scary scene when you see your partner emotionally naked, as these two just did. Embarassment plus and then some.
So Kim retreats into her bubble and hides her emotions up again while recovering from major embarassment while Ron tries to figure out if he really can tame the wild beast that is Kim Possible Unleashed and they both continue the mating dance - a bit more aware of each other, but still singed around the edges.
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Post by Forlong on Sept 12, 2005 11:29:39 GMT -5
Another part might just be that they're BOTH so secure in their friendship that they're INsecure in their romance... at this point and definitely in ES everyone perceives them as a couple and they act like one - but are both in such denial as to make one wonder if Rufus is the smartest one around... That's one of the things about starting relationships with good friends... you develop this comfort zone that is really scary to break out of. Cloudmonet also brings up a good point... biding his time did work for Ron. I've seen friendships that turned into relationships that didn't work out because neither party was ready/ mature enough for it yet. If Kim and Ron had gotten together much earlier than they did it might have crashed and burned because the timing of one or the other would have been off. In a situation like this you eventually have to say something... the hard thing is knowing WHEN to say it. I tried this once. It went...okay. She never felt "that way" but it didn't ruin our friendship.
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Post by cloudmonet on Sept 12, 2005 12:05:16 GMT -5
You may have convinced me, Aers. It's at least an equally valid theory, and we'll have to look at what will follow in the light of both to see which fits the facts to come better. Actually, that's about what I used to think. But something about Kim's manner at the end seems a bit too much on the sly side.
Whatever was the aftermath of "Emotion Sickness," anyway? We don't see it, and it almost defies imagining. Kim tells her mom and dad, what? It didn't work out? Ron wants to be just friends and I agreed? I wasn't myself because of this moodulator thingy? Easiest explanation-- the truth, and the moodulator. The tweebs and mom did see the moodulator control, and Kim has a broken moodulator chip, and they've crossed paths with Cyrus Bortle's mind control things before.
What about the kids in school? Would they believe the true story or care? If Kim and Ron already seemed to be dating, except to people like Bonnie who knew the real sitch (more or less), why would they suddenly be carrying on like this, Kim chasing, Ron running? It might be puzzling. And how would Bonnie, who doesn't believe Kim would date Ron, react? The next episode focuses on Bonnie, but we see no trace of a reaction to "Emotion Sickness." I just don't know.
Kim could be visibly embarrassed or apologetic to Ron about her behavior at the end, but she's not. She doesn't clearly disown any of the emotions, the love, the sadness, or the anger, and seems extremely composed. How?!! I don't know, but it's impressive enough that I've just now argued myself out of tentative agreement with you. At least at this moment, Kim acts like she has a plan and thinks she knows how to pull it off. She doesn't seem embarrassed or uneasy at all. I'm not sure why not.
And Ron, something about the way he asked her about the crushing, now that she's herself again, doesn't sound quite so sure about just being friends.
Latest tentative hypothesis. Kim wants Ron, thinks she can make him make a move, he consistently doesn't, or too little too late, she gets tired of waiting (and of some of Ron's other behaviors) and goes for Erik, only to be torn by seeing Ron's jealousy and suffering, evidence of what she wanted since "Steal Wheels" at least, only she does really like Erik, so she's in an emotional mess that she tries to choke down or deny till Erik betrays her and Ron finally says what she's always wanted to hear.
We'll see. I reserve the right to revise my opinion each time I post. There's more, and more obvious, romance between Kim and Ron in season three, but some of the situations are farther from anything a real couple is liable to experience than anything in season two, and for this reason harder to interpret.
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Post by Forlong on Sept 12, 2005 12:17:28 GMT -5
9 out of 10 mole rats agree. This is the best Kim Possible episode ever. How do the moodulators work? Okay, there are three ways the emotions can be controled. 1: Control the brain. Dr. Bortle has already done this, so he must have tried something else for it to take so long. Also, his NCCs (from The Twin Factor) were attached to the forhead (near the brain), but the moodulators are attached to the neck (near the spinnal cord). 2: Control the hormone intake. This would make a highly complex machine. I'm not saying that it's impossible, but I sure am thinking it loudly. But seriously, it doesn't likely control that. 3: Control how the body responds to hormones. This would be the easiest way. Most of our emotions are controled by the same hormones, we just react to them differently. It also works with where Dr. Bortle put the moodulator on his body when he tested it. It would be more effective if it were close to the spinnal cord. So Kim really does have love for Ron. And the same goes for Shego with Drakken (*shutter*). So part of Kim really did want to do this: And, unfortunately, this: To answer the next question, no. It wouldn't just make her fall in love with whoever. Love isn't just a husband/wife or boyfriend/girlfriend thing. Kim loves her parents too (just in a different way). And, deep down, she loves the tweebs too...very very deep down. So she does have hiden love for Ron. And about this dress: Consitering that she never wore it for Josh...Does that mean she might have bought it after the breakup for Ron? She certainly put it to good use, even after the moodulator broke. Is he smiling because Kim is back to normal or because of her pose? Ron looks like he's almost crushed (could he be rethinking his brakeup with Kim?). Kim, on the other hand, looks happy to get her emotions out in the open. Now, whether or not this was Ron's first kiss: Kim must be a good kisser to get Ron to fall flat on his back like that. Also, afterwards, Ron's got this glassy look on his face for who knows how long. We don't know how much time was between this scene and the scene in Barkin's house. I think Ron was having last minute thoughts about his date with Kim. He walked around the block a few times and saw Mr. Barkin's house. So he snuck...er "went" in to talk with Mr. B., who obviously doesn't care, about it.
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Post by Porphyria_Kris on Sept 12, 2005 12:29:16 GMT -5
You may have convinced me, Aers. It's at least an equally valid theory, and we'll have to look at what will follow in the light of both to see which fits the facts to come better. Actually, that's about what I used to think. But something about Kim's manner at the end seems a bit too much on the sly side. I always thought Kim was kind of giving him an out here... it reminded me of how Ron was excusing away Kim's mistletoe obligations in "A Very Possible Christmas" by explaining that it's parsley. She didn't HAVE to kiss him if she didn't want to. Luckily, she did anyway, but it was a peck on the cheek which left things in ambiguity. In the same way, Kim must be feeling a bit insecure because Ron broke up with her... but he does express disappointment at the idea that the whole crush situation was entirely moodulated. So she leaves him an open invitation... the double meaning laden, "There's still fireworks". If he wants to read into it and try picking up something, he can. If the whole thing weirds him out he can take the statement as a simple comment about their surroundings. Ron, being rattled by a day full of majorly moodswinging Kim is probably way too rattled to take the hint, even if he does see it for what it is. In my mind, Kim's not being sly so much as a) taking the path of least embarassment and b) leaving things open for further development.
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Post by Forlong on Sept 12, 2005 16:53:08 GMT -5
Now, whether or not this was Ron's first kiss: Kim must be a good kisser to get Ron to fall flat on his back like that. Also, afterwards, Ron's got this glassy look on his face for who knows how long. I just remembered. If Kim is this good at kissing, why, when Josh gave her that lame peck, didn't she grab him and show him what a real kiss was like? Answer: she didn't want to. But why?
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