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Post by somebody on Sept 19, 2005 22:54:17 GMT -5
Actually, Bonnie siad she has 4 siblings, so Connie and Lonnie are probably the oldest.
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Post by cloudmonet on Sept 20, 2005 0:05:56 GMT -5
And now, a kinder, gentler Bonnie and Mr. Bad Accent Guy. Since Bonnie will play a rather clear role later on in impeding and objecting to Kim and Ron getting together, she bears watching.
In "Return to Wannaweep," Kim and Bonnie were stuck being roomates, and spent most of the episode tormenting each other like Daffy Duck and Porky Pig, while Ron is forced to face the menace of Gill the muck monster alone, again, mutating himself into muscular beaver man for the purpose. In the end, Kim, Bonnie, and Barkin thwart Gill with a bit of a circus act.
Now, just about exactly one semester later, Kim and Bonnie are just stuck, but they're actually being rather polite to each other. They're taking turns dominating the situation. Bonnie gets her date with Brick, her psychic reading and kelp wrap, and Kim gets to go to Bavaria to thwart Dementor. Well, not quite. Bonnie falls for the old gift-shop trap.
Ron and Barkin also take turns. Well, when Wade summons Ron to help, Barkin understands a call to duty.
I wonder why Kim didn't take Ron and Barkin along in the first place. Maybe she's used to working with one sidekick, and she's already stuck to Bonnie-- Not sure about this.
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As an aside, I was at a concert of Indian music last summer, where people were jamiing in on tablas, dunbeks, flutes, whatever, and heard one person actually blowing through his clasped hands like Barkin's pixie scouts, and making melodies rather like an ocarina. So the squirrel calls are actually possible. Like, Ron, I can't do it, but I actually heard someone doing it.
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But Ron's yippity yip yip tames the mutant wiener dogs and sets them on the henchmen, the pixie scouts free Bonnie and Kim, who flip somersaults onto Dementor and subdue him.
AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO NOTICES THESE THINGS?!!! Dementor's main device bears a great resemblance in form, function, and name to the electrostatic illuminator from the "Rewriting History" dream. Maybe his ancestor, Diemens, really made such a thing after all.
Bonnie doesn't seem to notice the role Ron played in the rescue.
I've seen Kim carry Ron and a third person with her jetpack. Saying this wouldn't support Bonnie's weight can't be right. I can think of other reasons not to use jetpacks here. But then, Kim has more trouble hoisting Bonnie than she does Ron. Might be how they're stuck together.
"We walked a mile in each other's shoes and all that. Let's not get all squishy about it."
These two aren't liable to become close friends any time soon, if ever, but are they still enemies? If so, how, if at all, has the nature of their animosity changed?
It just seems to me like the Kim-Bonnie rivalry is different in "So the Drama," than, say, late season two, though I can't put my finger on exactly how.
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Post by El Bissop on Sept 20, 2005 1:04:39 GMT -5
I dunno, Barkin's approach to Ron in this ep. seems more like "tough love" than actual malice. When he sees Ron failing math or scarfing down a greasy chimmerito, his reaction seems more like disappointment or concern than meanness (Barkin seems at least somewhat worried about Ron's future and arteries, and what better way to toughen Ron up than to get a bunch of rugby players to pummel him mercilessly?). Certainly, if my son ate that much processed cheese I might contemplate extreme steps. The blanket thing was a bit outta line, but I guess the man just likes his teddy bear.
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Anyway, I can't see much shippiness in this episode, seeing as how Ron and Kim spend most of it apart attached to their rivals.
Some random notes:
Was it just me, or did that one Pixie Scout look like a human version of Rufus? When she yelled out "BOOYAH!" I thought she might be voiced by the same person or something.
My favorite line of the episode: "Why did you kick down that door? It wasn't lock, and I JUST HAD IT PAINTED GET THEM!!". That just says everything about the trials and tribulations of the profession.
What is it with Barkin and mutants? He just can't seem to avoid them. Kinda like with Ron and monkeys.
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Post by Anonymous on Sept 20, 2005 2:56:23 GMT -5
I wonder why Kim didn't take Ron and Barkin along in the first place. Maybe she's used to working with one sidekick, and she's already stuck to Bonnie-- Not sure about this. I AM SO SICK OF PEOPLE REFERRING TO RON AS KIM'S SIDEKICK! IT DEGRADES HIM! Ron is NOT Kim's sidekick! He's Kim's partner! PARTNER!!! After all, Ron is just as great a hero as Kim.
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Post by JuPMod on Sept 20, 2005 6:29:37 GMT -5
AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO NOTICES THESE THINGS?!!! Dementor's main device bears a great resemblance in form, function, and name to the electrostatic illuminator from the "Rewriting History" dream. No, it doesn't resemble the electrostatic illuminator from "Rewriting History". Even I could see that the two devices look different. They maybe almost function alike but they are not alike in appearance.
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Post by campy on Sept 20, 2005 8:49:21 GMT -5
Actually, Bonnie siad she has 4 siblings, so Connie and Lonnie are probably the oldest. Actually, Bonnie says her siblings have won the talent show four years in a row. That doesn't mean she has more than two siblings.
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Post by Forlong on Sept 20, 2005 10:38:55 GMT -5
Couple of things:
1: Bonnie said that she has older sibs. So she must have at least one brother.
2: Drakken and Shego weren't used because it would have complicated things to much. Add Drakken and Shego into the episode. They would need a lot of their own scenes and jokes. The makers of the show obviously saw that they need to keep away from multiple story lines.
3: Kim didn't bring Ron with her to thwart Dementor because she wasn't sure Ron could handle it with Barkin stuck to him. Also, she never faced Dementor, so she probably underestimated him.
4: Bonnie actually made a funny sidekick. The makers have now made jokes about their own show.
5: Didn't anyone else catch this? The ringmaster mentioned Ron, NOT KIM!?! Usually Kim has to remind people of what Ron does to help.
6: Ron's studying on the train!? Looks like Ron's trying to be more responsable. Unfortunately, it fades in later episodes.
7: Ron and Kim seem a lot more flurty in this episode. Not just on the train, but after Ron actuvated the Bondoball. They start finishing each other's sentances and Ron pulls a little prank on Kim. After he pulls the prank, she smiles. Usually she's aghrovated by Ron's antics.
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Post by cloudmonet on Sept 20, 2005 12:05:36 GMT -5
Yes it does. I'm talking about the big thing that comes out of the floor, not the blender shaped thing he stole from the lab. It's got the same big flattened teardrop shaped globe on top, and overall it's about the same shape, though way bigger. Don't make me post screencaps to prove this! I just watched the episode last night before posting.
Oh yes, she did. In "Hidden Talent," she stole his transportulator, and his adaptor.
That's entirely plausible.
Well, Ron refers to himself as Kim's sidekick repeatedly, so I doubt the term offends him. Kim, to her credit, as far as I know never labels Ron this way, other than maybe her remark on "Mother's Day":
Mom: Is he hitting on me? Kim: Nah, sidekicks really confuse him.
And here Mom's clearly taking Ron's place, so I guess Kim's including Ron in this category.
You can substitute "partner" for "sidekick" in my remark and it doesn't change much. Don't freak just because I use the show's own terminology. It's moviespeak, mostly. When two partners work together, the dominant one's the hero, the other one's the sidekick. Xena and Gabrielle. Quick Draw and Baba Looey. Frodo and Sam. Kirk and Spock. John Steed and Emma Peel. Which isn't to say that the sidekick isn't often (or in some more comedic partnerships, always) the one who saves the day.
Once in awhile you have a truly equal team, like Woody and Buzz Lightyear, or Merry and Pippin, but I don't think Kim and Ron have reached this point yet. The trend is in this direction, but like Ron says, "If it were that easy to be like Kim, I would have done it a long time ago."
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Post by senther on Sept 20, 2005 13:12:03 GMT -5
I don't know if anyone mentioned it, but I thought it cruel on the part of the writers to work in the part (after the bondoball opens) where Kim and Ron almost High-Five, then almost collide several times.
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Post by JuPMod on Sept 20, 2005 14:38:07 GMT -5
Yes it does. I'm talking about the big thing that comes out of the floor, not the blender shaped thing he stole from the lab. It's got the same big flattened teardrop shaped globe on top, and overall it's about the same shape, though way bigger. Don't make me post screencaps to prove this! I just watched the episode last night before posting. Well, don't get so work up over this. I was referring to the blender thing. It was the item that power the other... thing. Ron disabled it using a muffin, so it was obvious the source.
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Post by cloudmonet on Sept 21, 2005 11:21:38 GMT -5
It's suddenly occurred to me why I didn't take offense at Barkin's treatment of Ron, or even notice it, really. A lot of times, this is about how Kim, the girl Ron adores, treats him! Kim says stuff like, "I'm gonna say something I never thought I'd say to you: you're thinking too much!" and forces Ron into activities that are physically harsh and even dangerous to him (swinging from grappling hooks, jumping out of jets while straddling jetskis, going into combat unarmed against people with laser guns)...
The difference, I suppose, is that Ron's willing to do this stuff for Kim.
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Post by GnuHopper on Sept 21, 2005 12:09:34 GMT -5
I guess what bothers me is that Barkin is an authority figure, someone who is supposed to use his power over Ron responsibly. Now usually Barkin doesn't bother me -- he has even been supportive of Ron at times (like handing the Cooking class over to him in Two to Tutor), but something about the way he acts in this episode just really annoys me. And even though it's a minor deal, the business with the extra homework in the teaser is particularly bothersome. What did Ron do to deserve it? Why is Barkin picking on him?
I can (sort of) understand why Bonnie dislikes Kim -- Kim continually outshines her. It's not admirable, but it's at least somewhat understandable. But Barkin seems to dislike Ron pretty much because Ron doesn't measure up to his idea of "masculinity" (specifically stated in Ron the Man). A grown man should be above such pettiness.
Oh well, maybe I AM making too much out of it. Usually Barkin is portrayed as thick-headed and officious. I guess the laid back and unscholastic Ron makes a natural target for his wrath.
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Post by Shakermaker on Sept 21, 2005 13:33:40 GMT -5
I figure Barkin's attitude is because of his Army background. I think it's his form of tough love, unfortunately the Army is all about conformity, Ron is all about "never be normal". I think Mr. B. wants what is best for Ron, but he thinks what's best for Ron is to toughen up. I could be wrong I haven't seen this episode in a while.
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Post by Forlong on Sept 21, 2005 13:35:32 GMT -5
I always thought that Barkin was hard on Ron because Ron reminds him of himself when he was a kid.
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Post by anything on Sept 21, 2005 16:00:09 GMT -5
It's because of the 'funny look' Ron gave Barkin in 9th grade.
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Post by GnuHopper on Sept 21, 2005 17:16:05 GMT -5
Hmmm...maybe I should start a "Stoppable vs Barkin" thread?
Anyway, since this is still a K/R thread, what say we move on to the more K/R-intensive Bad Boy?
GH
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Post by bDd on Sept 22, 2005 5:58:24 GMT -5
Yeah. That part of the show when both of them were watching 'Agony County', Ron mentioned that taking Kim with him to the party as a 'date' sounds awkweird. What can you guys say about that? Again, I'm sorry but I'll have to single you out again, Cloudmonet.
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Post by cloudmonet on Sept 22, 2005 13:19:20 GMT -5
One last remark (from me, I think) about "Bonding"-- I've often heard disappointment expressed that there's no trace of the kinder, gentler Bonnie in "So the Drama," not much of a trace anyway. But "Bonding" does change the relationship between these two, on Kim's side. Kim now has some understanding, sympathy, and respect for Bonnie, which was not evident before. This respect is what opens Kim to Bonnie's "food chain" theories in "So the Drama."
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Post by syntax on Sept 22, 2005 13:21:59 GMT -5
That part of the show when both of them were watching 'Agony County', Ron mentioned that taking Kim with him to the party as a 'date' sounds awkweird. What can you guys say about that? Kim: How hard can it be to ditch him? Ron: Two words, KP. Kid’s table. Kim: Woah. You still sit with the kids. What if you brought a date? Ron: A date? A date? Well, it would have the element of surprise, but I’ve been down this road before… unless…uhh… not that I’m asking you... Kim: No, because we’re friends and… Ron: It would be awkweird. Kim: Yea, that’s the word I was looking for... awkweird. Shh, it’s starting. It's all about the inflection in this scene. Ron says "it would be awkweird" very quickly, like he's trying to cover up the fact that he just suggested Kim go with him to the wedding. And Kim's response is a little distracted, like she was thinking about it but was a little surprised that Ron backed off so quickly. And then the show comes on and they both push it into the background. If you don't think that's shippy, I don't know what is. BTW, notice how Kim bites her lower lip for one frame when she says "yeah, a hottie diff". The attention to detail!
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Post by Aers (That Writer Chick) on Sept 22, 2005 13:25:21 GMT -5
it's funny that while Kim and Ron may not think of this as a "date", I'm willing to bet that EVERYONE else saw it as one... the Stoppables have to put Ron at the adult table for the first time - meaning that this "out" hasn't been used before by Ron, which would probably indicate to Pa Stoppable that his son is considering the female of the species in a new light... Dr's Possible must have been darned curious about this "arrangement" as well - sure, you may not call it a date and shucks, darn, we're just helping Ron out 'cause of his evil cousin Shawn and the fact that they don't put Ron at the adult table but it sure looks like... well... a date in every other way!
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