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Post by slicknickshady on Jan 10, 2007 1:27:12 GMT -5
Some of the continuation i just don't get. How can Kim be so jealous in Gorilia Fist to saying in So The Drama Ron is "just a friend" ,
I just take it that way from the way she was talking to her mother.
KIM: "Mom? Okay, Bonnie's with Brick, so she's all high horse, all boys, and the stupid prom and the food chain, and, and... I'm gonna end up with Ron!"
KIM: "Mom, he's not a guy, he's Ron."
KIM: "Well, yeah. He's my best friend."
Mrs. Dr P: "But he's not boyfriend material?"
Kim: "Obviously."
Mrs. Dr P: "Because of the food chain".
Kim: "No. Yes. Well, kind of. The person you go with, it makes a statement."
I don't think she meant it to sound as an insult to Ron but just that when you are friends with someone since pre-school and you are not yet a couple and you do go to JR prom with them it will cause people to say she could not get anyone else. Let's just say if Kim and Ron would have been officially a couple she would have no problem going with him. It think it's clear Kim just wanted to prove a point to Bonnie. This quote from Kim "Okay, a little. Just once, I'd like to make her eat her words." Proves it imo.
I think this also put's to bed the rebound theory because it was never about Eric, It was plainly about making a statement.
I think this theory is the only way to explain why kim act's different in the movie from gorillia fist...
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Post by Adam on Jan 10, 2007 1:50:44 GMT -5
It certainly make sense...  |
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Post by Avenger on Jan 10, 2007 2:13:56 GMT -5
I think the problem is that it takes until the end of StD for Ron to get his act together.
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Jan 10, 2007 7:49:27 GMT -5
I think the problem is that it takes until the end of StD for Ron to get his act together. I think he needed somebody to slap Ron in the face and be like, "DUDE, LOOK! You see that girl! You love her! GO GET HER!" And, unfortunately it took Erik the Synthodrone and Drakken's latest scheme for that to happen. |
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Post by time1 on Jan 10, 2007 12:14:40 GMT -5
I think the problem is that it takes until the end of StD for Ron to get his act together. I think he needed somebody to slap Ron in the face and be like, "DUDE, LOOK! You see that girl! You love her! GO GET HER!" And, unfortunately it took Erik the Synthodrone and Drakken's latest scheme for that to happen. Guys are always like that though, myself definitely included, all dudes in high school are afraid to get shot down its a learning experience. Gotta give ron the credit for speakin up, even if it did take him that long. |
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Post by Cap'n Lewis on Jan 10, 2007 13:18:32 GMT -5
Wouldn't ya' think that it also took Ron to finally ask her out seriously to make her realize that that's what she wanted all along. Remember at the end of GF her reaction to Yori kissing him and her question about Ron not understanding girls. They didn't want to admit that they liked each other since each was unsure if the other did as well. Similar to when they talked about going to the wedding together at the start of BB. As far as dating each other, wouldn't it make sense that they didn't want to make their friendship awkward (ala ES when Ron decides he has to dump Kim). Since neither one had the courage to bring it up, Kim was most likely allowing Bonnie to play her. She wanted a BF to go to the prom, not "just a friend". It wasn't that she didn't want to go with Ron, but the fact that he was just her friend. At that point.
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Post by Mr. Boynton on Jan 11, 2007 5:50:13 GMT -5
I think one of the interesting things about StD is how repeatedly Ron's immaturity is put on display and emphasized. "State of childlike wonder"..."Ron's such a baby"...his mimicking of the tweebs' "cootie alert," the treehouse scene, etc. There's even a bit of symbolism with Ron's appearance at the poker game ("You the Kid?" "Yes, I am"). And Ron bitterly rejects Kim's suggestion that it's time to grow up.
It's only after Ron does a 180 and takes a mature step -- sorting out his deep feelings for Kim, and telling her -- that he becomes BF material. Once Ron says the words, "out there...in here," it unlocks a depth of feeling in Kim that she was only dimly aware she had.
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Post by slicknickshady on Jan 11, 2007 12:38:48 GMT -5
Once Ron says the words, "out there...in here," it unlocks a depth of feeling in Kim that she was only dimly aware she had. Great way to put it. |
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Post by cloudmonet on Jan 11, 2007 14:02:17 GMT -5
Through all of season 3, starting with "Steal Wheels," Kim is more interested in Ron as a potential boyfriend than he is in her. Why? The turning point comes around the time of "Blush" and "Exchange". After Blush, Ron pretty much gives up all hope of any romance with Kim, and at the end of "Exchange" after disappointments from Josh nand Hirotaka, Kim starts getting interested in Ron, an interest which blooms in season 3. By the start of "So the Drama," Kim has given up on Ron again. He's not boyfriend material because he seems not to want to be her boyfriend. This is because he's misinterpreted Kim before, and doesn't want to deal with the resultant heartache. We worked all of these details out in the "Reevaluation" threads, now sunk toward the bottom of the "Rufus, Kim &Me" area. You pretty much have to watch seasons 2 and 3 in production order to unravel the whole soap opera.
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Post by ninjanaco on Jan 22, 2007 16:42:39 GMT -5
Short answer, because StD was written back when BOb and Mark though KP was going to be only one season, and not the hit that it is and consequently, wrote a season 1 Kim getting together with Ron. This, combined with the fact that Mark and Bob aren't big on continuity in development, meant that the by and large didn't take Kim's character development over the previous two seasons into account (though lines such as "but lately something's changed" allude to said development.) But now, since cloudmonet posted... Through all of season 3, starting with "Steal Wheels, Not with Emotion Sickness, if what you're telling began at all.  Well, yes, when she was moodulated. If he had any, which he didn't. Time to dig up those old Stargate screencaps!   Hmm, I guess then these pictures of the end of "The Serpent's Lair" clearly indicate that Jack and Sam have romantic interests in Daniel Jackson. (And check out that smile Sam gives when she sees Daniel in the gate room.) Guess I'd better go to GateWorld and start a "Re/evaluation of Jack/Daniel and Daniel/Sam feelings" thread! "Don't you think you're majorly misinterpreting?" - Monique, "Emotion Sickness" Sorry, I had had to put that. (And he wasn't misinterpreting - Kim had it bad for the Ronster.)  Where they should remain. Kim Possible is not a soap opera. It's an action-comedy. I believe Bob and Mark are on record for saying that they don't want to turn the show into a soap opera. |
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Jan 22, 2007 16:56:41 GMT -5
Through all of season 3, starting with "Steal Wheels," Kim is more interested in Ron as a potential boyfriend than he is in her. Why? The turning point comes around the time of "Blush" and "Exchange". After Blush, Ron pretty much gives up all hope of any romance with Kim, and at the end of "Exchange" after disappointments from Josh nand Hirotaka, Kim starts getting interested in Ron, an interest which blooms in season 3. By the start of "So the Drama," Kim has given up on Ron again. He's not boyfriend material because he seems not to want to be her boyfriend. This is because he's misinterpreted Kim before, and doesn't want to deal with the resultant heartache. We worked all of these details out in the "Reevaluation" threads, now sunk toward the bottom of the "Rufus, Kim &Me" area. You pretty much have to watch seasons 2 and 3 in production order to unravel the whole soap opera. I would like to put on the record, that I shall always agree with cloudmonet. The whole story of Kim and Ron shippiness began in season 1. I came to KP in season 2, about August, and within THREE WEEKS of watching the show, people, I knew that they were already BOUND to end up together. By, Fearless Ferret's airing, which was about 2 weeks later, I was a full fledged shipper. If you don't notice the shippy hints in seasons 1, 2, and 3 prior to Emotion Sickness, you're blind. Simply blind. |
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Post by Mr. Boynton on Jan 23, 2007 6:22:27 GMT -5
Yeah, but it's still fun to interpret (and over-interpret) happenings in the show. Within the limits of an action-comedy cartoon, Kim and Ron are an absolutely compelling pair of characters.
But in part because of those technical limits, plus the down-to-earth reasons you mention, there's enough ambiguity from episode to episode to support varying interpretations of K/R's relationship, etc.
My own take on season 3 overall - Kim and Ron got a vaguely exciting, vaguely troubling sense that something bigger was going on between them, but neither of them were especially keen on trying to figure it out. The only two times dating actually came up in the conversation, it was rejected (by Ron in ES and Kim in Bad Boy).
I don't think they figured it out for themselves until StD - Ron obviously so in a characteristic bit of anxious self-analysis, Kim in a more subtle (yet sudden) transformation.
Anyway, I love it that they're now a couple. There's a lot of great comic potential there.
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Post by kingcrab on Jan 23, 2007 9:32:39 GMT -5
Through all of season 3, starting with "Steal Wheels," Kim is more interested in Ron as a potential boyfriend than he is in her. Why? The turning point comes around the time of "Blush" and "Exchange". After Blush, Ron pretty much gives up all hope of any romance with Kim, and at the end of "Exchange" after disappointments from Josh nand Hirotaka, Kim starts getting interested in Ron, an interest which blooms in season 3. By the start of "So the Drama," Kim has given up on Ron again. He's not boyfriend material because he seems not to want to be her boyfriend. This is because he's misinterpreted Kim before, and doesn't want to deal with the resultant heartache. We worked all of these details out in the "Reevaluation" threads, now sunk toward the bottom of the "Rufus, Kim &Me" area. You pretty much have to watch seasons 2 and 3 in production order to unravel the whole soap opera. I would like to put on the record, that I shall always agree with cloudmonet. The whole story of Kim and Ron shippiness began in season 1. I came to KP in season 2, about August, and within THREE WEEKS of watching the show, people, I knew that they were already BOUND to end up together. By, Fearless Ferret's airing, which was about 2 weeks later, I was a full fledged shipper. If you don't notice the shippy hints in seasons 1, 2, and 3 prior to Emotion Sickness, you're blind. Simply blind. Ditto. And long live Cloudmonet! |
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Jan 23, 2007 17:29:03 GMT -5
Cloudmonet for the win!
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Post by Avenger on Jan 24, 2007 1:31:07 GMT -5
I agree with NinjaNaco up to a point. And that point would be the beginning of Season 3.
I don't think Seasons 1 or 2 really have any shippiness in them. Even the "Exchange" hug. Season 1 for sure. Parts of Season 2, obviously, are up to interpretation.
There are two very important reasons why I disagree with NinjaNaco on the romantic interest between the two of them in Season 3 (and beyond).
Reason 1: Bob and Mark have repeatedly stated that Kim and Ron were always meant to end up together at the end of the series. (The fact that we're getting Season 4 aside...)
Reason 2: Bob and Mark have also specifically stated that Kim's and Ron's feelings for each other as more than friends was a huge character arc through Season 3. The scenes in Season 3 that "appear" shippy are indeed meant to be shippy. They were specifically written that way.
Any Kim/Ron feelings previous to Season 3 are up for debate. Once you hit Season 3, though, there is no more room for argument.
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Post by kingcrab on Jan 24, 2007 1:34:05 GMT -5
I don't think Seasons 1 or 2 really have any shippiness in them. Even the "Exchange" hug. Season 1 for sure. Parts of Season 2, obviously, are up to interpretation. Are you blind?! Of course Seasons 1 and 2 were filled with K/R hints and shippyness--they're just too subtle and hard to spot most of the time. Paging Cloudmonet, paging Cloudmonet... |
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Post by Avenger on Jan 24, 2007 1:38:09 GMT -5
I don't think Seasons 1 or 2 really have any shippiness in them. Even the "Exchange" hug. Season 1 for sure. Parts of Season 2, obviously, are up to interpretation. Are you blind?! Of course Seasons 1 and 2 were filled with K/R hints and shippyness--they're just too subtle and hard to spot most of the time. Paging Cloudmonet, paging Cloudmonet... I always find what Cloud has to say very interesting and I mostly agree with him, because he tends to state his case eloquently, and with plenty of proof. But, I still say that Season 1 and 2 are up to interpretation. Season 3 is not. |
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Jan 24, 2007 7:32:43 GMT -5
I'm in shock. I truly am.
There goes my flippin' theory.
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Post by kingcrab on Jan 24, 2007 9:36:40 GMT -5
Are you blind?! Of course Seasons 1 and 2 were filled with K/R hints and shippyness--they're just too subtle and hard to spot most of the time. Paging Cloudmonet, paging Cloudmonet... I always find what Cloud has to say very interesting and I mostly agree with him, because he tends to state his case eloquently, and with plenty of proof. But, I still say that Season 1 and 2 are up to interpretation. Season 3 is not. Actually, all 3 seasons ARE NOT up to interpretation. |
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Post by Ashley Benlove on Jan 24, 2007 11:04:05 GMT -5
That's a bit closed minded.
But, if you can't interpret that "The Fearless Ferret" is a major shippy hint episode than you're about as blind as I am without glasses in class. "The Fearless Ferret" is a major shippy episode in my eyes because THAT episode made me become a Kim and Ron shipper. I realized at that moment... they were meant to be.
Now, ASIT's three episodes, as most of the events of these three episodes did not happen, I don't see them as shippy. I see them more as it shows a what if type thing. WHAT IF this happened. I see it more as a backstory as well. Because you see Kim and Ron meeting and you see her first mission.
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