bbqsauce13
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Post by bbqsauce13 on Jun 5, 2007 1:29:31 GMT -5
I completely agree with you, beeftony. Wally was terribly annoying, but yeah, the writer's twist mostly made up for it. I was going to say the exact same thing about everyone thinking Ron was OOC, but you've got that covered.
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Post by KPforever on Jun 5, 2007 1:50:33 GMT -5
I don't think this episode is that bad but it's also not that good it's just, average. However the episode that I personally think is the worst of the entire series is "Grande Size Me" That episode is so bad that not even the Pope could forgive it.
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bbqsauce13
Yellow Trout
Editor for Kim Possible on TV.com
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Post by bbqsauce13 on Jun 5, 2007 1:52:25 GMT -5
I don't think this episode is that bad but it's also not that good it's just, average. However the episode that I personally think is the worst of the entire series is "Grande Size Me" That episode is so bad that not even the Pope could forgive it. Then you must not have seen Mathter and Fervent yet. That episode is just plain terrible.
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Post by KPforever on Jun 5, 2007 2:02:22 GMT -5
If "Mather and Fervent" is worse then "Grande Size Me" My TV will probably explode. I still don't know how it handled the garbage that was "Grande Size Me".
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Post by blak on Jun 5, 2007 2:53:27 GMT -5
Wally was annoying, but that episode wasn't THAT bad. Like someone said before in another thread, the wrost of KP is still watchable.
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Post by lonestarr357 on Jun 5, 2007 19:10:35 GMT -5
There are a lot of points I want to make here, so I'm just gonna hit them as they come to me:
- If you dare, look at "Return to Wannaweep". Look at "Ron Millionaire" or "All the News" or "Cupid Effect" or "Full Monkey". The worst of this show is rather unwatchable. In fact, in all the years I've watched cartoons, I'm hard pressed to think of any cartoon whose worst episodes are watchable.
- This may surprise some people, but not everyone here is a die-hard shipper, and five years ago, it never even occurred to me to think of Kim and Ron as anything more than friends. (Now that I think of it, if ever evidence was needed that 'K/R was planned from the beginning' is a tremendous pantload, this episode is it.) What shippers might longingly see as a 'quote-unquote' amusing story to tell the grandkids ("Well, in high school, there was this election for class president, and your grandma had to protect this prince..."), I see as an egregious example of sacrificing a character's identity for the sake of lame humor. Kim must be really forgiving (or soft-headed; I confuse the two, sometimes) to not just accept Ron's apology (which he surely would've provided, ad nauseam), but pretend the whole thing never happened. In a more reality- and continuity-conscious scenario, it could take many months for the friendship to recover. By now, you're probably thinking, 'Get a grip. It's just a cartoon!' I can look anywhere else on this board and find a specific example to disprove your immediate line of thinking.
- The worst part of the whole enterprise, without question, is His Royal Lowness, the Dishonorable Prince(ss) Wally. He joins the race for class president, in spite of the fact that he a) didn't even go to Middleton High and b) was supposed to be keeping a low profile[/b]. And lest we forget the holier-than-thou attitude which, annoyingly and frustratingly, never wavers. If some kind of karmic misfortune had befallen Wally, this episode might not be seen as the disaster it clearly is. He manages to go unpunished for his harsh and unpleasant actions. I see too much of that in real life. I don't need to see it in my cartoons...ever.
- To give you some sense of what a waste of time the episode is, consider the following: after it's all over, Wally is elected class president (it's only fair that a more politically-minded poster handle the comparisons to presidential elections). Is this utter miscarriage of political and poetic justice ever referred to again in future episodes? No! It's as if the episode never happened in the first place, but since we're talking about it, it clearly did happen.
- If we must view this episode in a positive light...the Knights of Rodeghan. They were charged with bumping off the Royal Flush, which alone puts them among the show's most underrated "villains". (I think the quotes are appropriate here; is it really fair to call them villains if they're merely performing a public service?)
- Misguided though it may have been, I really can't trust anyone who thought that "Grande Size Me" was worse than "Royal Pain". I just can't.
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Post by campy on Jun 5, 2007 19:17:52 GMT -5
I happen to be watching "Cupid Effect" in an iTunes window right now, and "Ron Millionaire" is a pretty decent ep IMO. The others in your list are ... subpar ... for KP, I'll give you that one.
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Post by MrDrP on Jun 5, 2007 19:56:37 GMT -5
- Misguided though it may have been, I really can't trust anyone who thought that "Grande Size Me" was worse than "Royal Pain". I just can't. Grande Size me has it all over Royal Pain. GSM has the return of Jack Hench and the great car chase scene (Duff in his cart was a wonderful visual). That said, I did like the knights. In fact, I rather wish they'd taken out Wally and seized power, to be honest. And Kim's hair rocked ...
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Post by kpfan5678 on Jun 5, 2007 20:01:12 GMT -5
I don't think this episode is that bad but it's also not that good it's just, average. However the episode that I personally think is the worst of the entire series is "Grande Size Me" That episode is so bad that not even the Pope could forgive it. Then you must not have seen Mathter and Fervent yet. That episode is just plain terrible. I LOVE Mathter and Fervent! I personally think it deserves at least a 9.7 on the scale. However the episode that I personally think is the worst of the entire series is "Grande Size Me" That episode is so bad that not even the Pope could forgive it. I LOVE Grande Size Me! It at least deserves an 8.2 on the scale.
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Post by beeftony on Jun 5, 2007 21:51:38 GMT -5
- The worst part of the whole enterprise, without question, is His Royal Lowness, the Dishonorable Prince(ss) Wally. He joins the race for class president, in spite of the fact that he a) didn't even go to Middleton High and b) was supposed to be keeping a low profile[/b]. And lest we forget the holier-than-thou attitude which, annoyingly and frustratingly, never wavers. If some kind of karmic misfortune had befallen Wally, this episode might not be seen as the disaster it clearly is. He manages to go unpunished for his harsh and unpleasant actions. I see too much of that in real life. I don't need to see it in my cartoons... ever.[/quote] Wally was supposed to be a spoiled brat. The show was due for a character like that. As I previously stated, I loved the twist. Some people just don't change. It's also the first time that Kim failed to come out on top in the end, and I think she's a smart enough girl to have learned her lesson. In the end, the experience served to show Kim that while she may be able to do anything, she can't do everything. If one wanted to really stretch it, one could argue that Wally represented the full extension of Kim's ego, an example of how she could end up. Kim has shown humility, sure, but it's usually done Miss America style with comments like, "No big" and "So not the Drama." Wally, in his own obscenely irritating way, helped keep Kim's somewhat sizeable ego in check. You learn more from losing than you do from winning. So the prick was good for something after all. ;D
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Post by kpfan5678 on Jun 5, 2007 22:21:18 GMT -5
I didn't think Wally was THAT bad. Maybe he was that bad, but he wasn't THAT bad! lol.
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Post by KPforever on Jun 5, 2007 23:36:33 GMT -5
Then you must not have seen Mathter and Fervent yet. That episode is just plain terrible. I LOVE Mathter and Fervent! I personally think it deserves at least a 9.7 on the scale. However the episode that I personally think is the worst of the entire series is "Grande Size Me" That episode is so bad that not even the Pope could forgive it. I LOVE Grande Size Me! It at least deserves an 8.2 on the scale. I can't say anything about Mathter and Fervent because I haven't seen it yet but I don't know how anyone can love Grande Size Me. All it is, is a thinly veiled attempt to push some health food agenda. I don't need the Disney channel telling me how to be healthy. And the return of Gemini in this episode was completely lackluster he appears in one or two scenes and doesn't even have any lines, and even though Jack Hench is funny that doesn't make up for the rest of the episode. That said I'm not going to try to force my opinion on anyone here.
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Post by Loser7 on Jun 6, 2007 1:39:54 GMT -5
Well thats your opinion. Personally i hate this episode. Is the 'well that's your opinion' really necessary? I always think that is such a demeaning way to inadvertantly say someone's opinion doesn't matter... sorry, I always hate when people say that. It's a personal pet peeve of mine. There's actually a really good quote from a relient k song that pretty much sums up how I fee about that quote , "opinions are immunity from being told you're wrong." end off topic rant >.>
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Post by lonestarr357 on Jun 6, 2007 7:36:17 GMT -5
So the prick was good for something after all. ;D If the words "target" and "practice" aren't involved, I'm forced to question the validity of this statement.
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Post by Ashfangirl20 on Jun 6, 2007 12:48:11 GMT -5
Its an ok episode, I'll watch it.
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Post by beeftony on Jun 6, 2007 14:18:20 GMT -5
There's actually a really good quote from a relient k song that pretty much sums up how I fee about that quote , "opinions are immunity from being told you're wrong." That reminded me of this:
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Post by Robbie Valiant, P.I. on Jun 6, 2007 14:22:34 GMT -5
There's actually a really good quote from a relient k song that pretty much sums up how I fee about that quote , "opinions are immunity from being told you're wrong." That reminded me of this: You read Shortpacked? Cool! Another SP fan here! Anyways, back on topic.... The worst episode of KP is RP, but it's watchable. As I voted, bad KP > Good TSR.
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Post by beeftony on Jun 6, 2007 14:28:30 GMT -5
You read Shortpacked? Cool! Another SP fan here! I first got into it when we were discussing potential boyfriends for Shego (besides Kim ) over on KP/, and someone suggested Mike Warner. For those of you who don't know, Mike's the one strangling the guy in the above strip. Tell me they wouldn't be hot together! ;D
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Post by zoza on Jun 6, 2007 17:14:45 GMT -5
I would turn off the TV.
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Post by Commander Argus on Jun 6, 2007 17:43:48 GMT -5
Actually, as bad as it is, I don't usually miss RP. It's TI that makes me turn the station (or FF the tape)
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